Apple Releases Minor watchOS 3.2.2 Update

[Gwhite1]

Will it finally fix my Volvo app being unable to start my car since changing watches or upgrading to a newer model? Something is wrong with the way the digital signature works (according to Volvo) when you change devices.

Hi. I guess you have a New XC90,V90, or S90. If so the problem with the remote start is not your apple devuces but is a problem with the cars software. There has been a Volvo software upgrade for this a few weeks now.
There is also a new complete Volvo software upgrade that changes the touch screen tia much better design.

If you are in the UK I can help.

Not the apple reply you expected I bet lol

Gary

 

[GIZBUG]

Damn! My update with Apple Watch 1st Gen just failed.
I need to bring to the service provider tomorrow

Fist gen here updated fine

 

[JTToft]

You're still not following what I am saying. The charger automatically reboots the watch. Maybe the installation process doesn't have the reboot automatic like iOS, so the only way is to be connected to the charger.

I'm trying to think outside the box to make a logical explanation of why the charger is required. And this completely satisfies that.

- I am following it just fine. I just think it's a pretty huge leap with no supporting evidence. It's much more likely that it's just another one of Apple's unnecessary software limitations that they could change if they wanted to.

 

[Mlrollin91]

- I am following it just fine. I just think it's a pretty huge leap with no supporting evidence. It's much more likely that it's just another one of Apple's unnecessary software limitations that they could change if they wanted to.

Do you not know what a hypothesis is?

I have made it clear twice that I'm not claiming anything.

 

[JTToft]

Do you not know what a hypothesis is?

I have made it clear twice that I'm not claiming anything.

- I do, and I know you have. I just think it's a strange hypothesis. Here's another one:

The charger is required because the watch can't perform the update if the internal temperature of the watch is below a certain point. Connecting the charger causes the temperature to rise and thus allows the update.

Yes, I know that's stupid.

 

[sinsin07]

Example of hypothesis, (or as you phrase it "huge leap"):

It's much more likely that it's just another one of Apple's unnecessary software limitations that they could change if they wanted to.

 

[JTToft]

Example of hypothesis, (or as you phrase it "huge leap"):

- Thanks for your help.

Technically, what you quoted was my judgment of the merits of his hypothesis vs. mine (which was that "it's just another one of Apple's unnecessary software limitations that they could change if they wanted to."), where I judged mine to be more realistic.

 

[Mlrollin91]

- I do, and I know you have. I just think it's a strange hypothesis. Here's another one:

The charger is required because the watch can't perform the update if the internal temperature of the watch is below a certain point. Connecting the charger causes the temperature to rise and thus allows the update.

Yes, I know that's stupid.

I'm sorry but thats ridiculous, at least my hypothesis is plausible. When you install an update, in between the two Apple logo cycles, you will hear a chime of it connecting to the power supply. That means the watch is being woken up by the power supply. That alone is enough to support my hypothesis as being plausible. So to compare something that might be accurate, to something outrageous as raising the temperature is just wrong. I don't see you trying to come up with a hypothesis of why the charger is needed, instead you are here just putting down mine.

 

[Analog Kid]

Can we please do away with the requirement to have the watch on the charger? If I have more than 50% battery, why does it have to be on the charger?

The Watch seems more susceptible to bricking if the update gets interrupted-- I'm guessing they're making damn sure the watch doesn't lose power during the process.

Hi. I guess you have a New XC90,V90, or S90. If so the problem with the remote start is not your apple devuces but is a problem with the cars software. There has been a Volvo software upgrade for this a few weeks now.
There is also a new complete Volvo software upgrade that changes the touch screen tia much better design.

Make sure your car has half a tank and is connected to the pump before attempting the update.

 

[sinsin07]

snip...Technically, what you quoted was my judgment of the merits of his hypothesis vs. mine ...

Technically, you still posted a hypothesis.
Your purpose or meaning behind it is irrelevant to that point.

snip... where I judged mine to be more realistic.

Could still be considered a "huge leap with no supporting evidence" as you phrase it.
Exactly what you are accusing the other poster of.
At least if you're gonna shoot down someones else hypothesis come up with some verifiable facts.
Otherwise what's the point, you're in the same trap.

 

[DVD Plaza]

What don't you understand. Being connected to the power supply may be the only way the watch can reboot on its own and finish the installation process.

I think you guys are misunderstanding Mirollin91. As you know all Apple mobile products only have a positive and negative power connection to their power supply. The Apple Watch, however, uses magical powers to "beam" power to the device.

So what Apple decided was to experiment with that technology. As a first step they stripped out the ability for the operating system to call the reboot API - so unlike a Mac, Apple TV, iPhone, iPod, iPad, etc the Apple Watch has no ability to reboot. Instead when it needs to restart it talks over the mind-meld to the charger and subconsciously says "I need to reboot". The charger then intensely overwhelms the mind-meld, rendering the Apple Watch unconscious, and the watch is then OFF. Moments later the Apple Watch regains consciousness. Now, as you know, Apple mobile products such as the iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc will automatically turn on when connected to power. Thus when the Apple Watch regains consciousness sure enough it is now booting up.

So there we have it. Now it may seem entirely pointless to even do this, but there's a bigger picture. Apple Watch 3 will have audio stripped out of it. Again, that will be relayed over the mind-meld to the charger and your charger will play the sounds. This is far more efficient because the charger is running on mains electricity so no power drain.

The road map for Apple Watch 4 tentatively shows the next to move is the GPS. A major benefit is you will never lose your charger - however the reason this is a tentnative plan is that it will also mean when jogging you'll be tracked as always being in your bedroom. They're still working on that.

Long term plan is the Apple Watch will eventually have its display shifted to the charger as well, as Apple can get the watch incredibly thin if they do that.

 

[captain cadet]

Can we please do away with the requirement to have the watch on the charger? If I have more than 50% battery, why does it have to be on the charger?

The battery is so small in a 38mm Apple watch and if it gets caught up on an update (these installers checks for everything possible), so if there is a small sector wrong it needs to correct it. the risk is that at 50% that it can probably complete the installation if the battery is there but anywhere else you, have the danger of a installation exiting dangerously. I have dealt with a OS update on a desktop being cut off early because of power (it was windows) but it took me an entire day to get the machine working again....

 

[44267547]

I'm not interested in being involved in the arguing between the other forum members above, that said and on a side note , the other reason the charger is required, is because if Apple allows the Watch to be updated without charging, the Watch could power off during the update due to having a low battery, which would brick the Watch during the update and will likely be required to send the Watch to Apple for repair.

It's one of the reasons why Apple has always required the Watch to be connected to the charger to prevent issues with updates. I had an Apple Genius directly explain this to me in Store when I inquired about the charging and WatchOS updates.

 

[RecentlyConverted]

Yes, deleting the profiles from both watch and phone, then rebooting BOTH, does the trick.

Yes, I had deleted phone profile, but I needed to delete Watch profile before to get the software to update.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I think you guys are misunderstanding Mirollin91. As you know all Apple mobile products only have a positive and negative power connection to their power supply. The Apple Watch, however, uses magical powers to "beam" power to the device.

So what Apple decided was to experiment with that technology. As a first step they stripped out the ability for the operating system to call the reboot API - so unlike a Mac, Apple TV, iPhone, iPod, iPad, etc the Apple Watch has no ability to reboot. Instead when it needs to restart it talks over the mind-meld to the charger and subconsciously says "I need to reboot". The charger then intensely overwhelms the mind-meld, rendering the Apple Watch unconscious, and the watch is then OFF. Moments later the Apple Watch regains consciousness. Now, as you know, Apple mobile products such as the iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc will automatically turn on when connected to power. Thus when the Apple Watch regains consciousness sure enough it is now booting up.

So there we have it. Now it may seem entirely pointless to even do this, but there's a bigger picture. Apple Watch 3 will have audio stripped out of it. Again, that will be relayed over the mind-meld to the charger and your charger will play the sounds. This is far more efficient because the charger is running on mains electricity so no power drain.

The road map for Apple Watch 4 tentatively shows the next to move is the GPS. A major benefit is you will never lose your charger - however the reason this is a tentnative plan is that it will also mean when jogging you'll be tracked as always being in your bedroom. They're still working on that.

Long term plan is the Apple Watch will eventually have its display shifted to the charger as well, as Apple can get the watch incredibly thin if they do that.

Thank you! You definitely explained it better than I did. I wasn't even claiming anything either, just a hypothesis.

 

[ErikGrim]

You're still not following what I am saying. The charger automatically reboots the watch. Maybe the installation process doesn't have the reboot automatic like iOS, so the only way is to be connected to the charger.

I'm trying to think outside the box to make a logical explanation of why the charger is required. And this completely satisfies that.

Your thinking is wrong. The requirement is only for it to be on the charger when the process is initiated. Once it starts you can wear your watch and installation continues, including reboots.

 

[SantaFeNM]

With this update, I've noticed the Music app on my Apple Watch has almost zero lag when I skip a track, pause or restart the music playing on my iPhone. Prior to this update there was always a noticeable lag.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Your thinking is wrong. The requirement is only for it to be on the charger when the process is initiated. Once it starts you can wear your watch and installation continues, including reboots.

I don't believe that is correct. Removing the watch during the install process can lead to bricking the device. My friend's watch was updating then the power went out. Got the red exclamation point. Had to shipped off to Apple.

 

[Jimmy Bubbles]

my main issue is when listening to 3rd party podcast apps while running (since apple stupidly doesn't have their own native podcast app or playback ability) the gps gets buggy and sometimes nike+ watch app stops tracking the run.

ummm…yes they do. It's called Podcasts by Apple
https://appsto.re/us/13EuF.i
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I don't believe that is correct. Removing the watch during the install process can lead to bricking the device. My friend's watch was updating then the power went out. Got the red exclamation point. Had to shipped off to Apple.

You're correct. It actually does state not to remove it from the charger.

 

[44267547]

Your thinking is wrong. The requirement is only for it to be on the charger when the process is initiated. Once it starts you can wear your watch and installation continues, including reboots.

I Don't believe this is accurate. I don't have evidence and nor have I tried this, but the Apple Watch needs to be connected to the charger during the entire update process. I will Contact Apple on this tomorrow and ask, now that my curiosity is piqued.

 

[ErikGrim]

I don't believe that is correct. Removing the watch during the install process can lead to bricking the device. My friend's watch was updating then the power went out. Got the red exclamation point. Had to shipped off to Apple.

If you run out of power, then of course you risk bricking. My point is that the installation process doesn’t stop just because you remove it from the charger. Super easy to test. I did it with this update even.

 

[Donoban]

I'm sorry but thats ridiculous, at least my hypothesis is plausible. When you install an update, in between the two Apple logo cycles, you will hear a chime of it connecting to the power supply. That means the watch is being woken up by the power supply. That alone is enough to support my hypothesis as being plausible. So to compare something that might be accurate, to something outrageous as raising the temperature is just wrong. I don't see you trying to come up with a hypothesis of why the charger is needed, instead you are here just putting down mine.

What if you connect the watch to the charger.

Then power the watch off.

Will it immediately turn back on again (because its on the charger)?

Early versions of the iPhone needed to be connected to the power to update right? Perhaps one day the watch will get there too.

--Update, you cant power off the apple watch when its connected to the charger.

 

[wesley96]

I don't believe that is correct. Removing the watch during the install process can lead to bricking the device. My friend's watch was updating then the power went out. Got the red exclamation point. Had to shipped off to Apple.

"Can", but not "will". I have, on multiple occasions(watchOS 1 to 3, Apple Watch Series 0 and 2), initiated an Apple Watch update by putting it on the charger, then taking it off once the upgrade process indicator circle appeared. I have always finished the updates with no problems whatsoever, as long as my iPhone was near the watch. I've even done this while traveling and getting Wi-Fi connection only at the beginning of the update process.

I Don't believe this is accurate. I don't have evidence and nor have I tried this, but the Apple Watch needs to be connected to the charger during the entire update process. I will Contact Apple on this tomorrow and ask, now that my curiosity is piqued.

As pointed out above, the hypothesis that the charger is required for entirety of the update process is invalid. This also invalidates the hypothesis that the charger is required for the reboot of the Apple Watch during the update process.

Once the initial update conditions are met (Wi-Fi, 50% charge, on charger) and the update starts, you can move away from those conditions and still finish the update just fine, as I and ErikGrim have done. Based on these observations, I hypothesize that the conditions were mandated in order to reduce, as much as possible, the possible fail states that lead to bricking, not that they are absolute necessities.

 

[themick4u]

I must say that after this update I have noticed that the battery life is greatly improved over the short time its been installed and used.

 

[JohnnyGo]

I must say that after this update I have noticed that the battery life is greatly improved over the short time its been installed and used.

Thanks for the feedback.

I will install the update today and report back tomorrow. Now that I am tracking my sleep with my Apple Watch battery life is extremely important.