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Apple Releases New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Force Touch and $1,999 27-Inch iMac With Retina Display
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I don't see why the MBA would get anything. It's a tweener that will continue to exist until the rMBP gets a redesign and the rMP is able to come down in price.
Well, you are stuck with an AMD card.
There's the problem.
Those retina iMacs are hot, loud and throttle. The non-retina with the 780M is cool, quiet and doesn't throttle under load.
RIP performance iMac.
Intel will only release Skylake for desktops this year. The version suitable for laptops ( like the MacBookPro) is to be released in 2016.
You still not learning. 28 NM process from GlobalFoundries is not the same as it is from TSMC. GloFo 28 nm Process gives 20% more performance while having the same power envelope than TSMC's.
And M370 and M370X are two different GPUs.
GTX965 is not new silicon. Its the same 1024 Maxwell core die, from the same, old architecture, that has been for over a year now.
About the APIs. Mantle was created to limit the amount of work the companies like AMD, Nvidia, ARM or Imagination has to put in their drivers. All optimalization for games that will be built for Mantle, and every modern API will be in developers hands. Period to that.
M295X is hot. I have not seen any thermal problems with M290X. Because its TDP is way lower than M295X.
Not to mention you couldn't game at 5K or do very much at all at 5K, need to scale it down so what's the point of having that many pixels anyway?
I wouldn't bother arguing with this guy. He's clearly been taking it from behind from ATI for a while now...
Didn't mean to imply a lack of being up to date. Its simply IMO, Intel is having a more difficult time with 14nm than I was expecting. The yields are low. I agree it is not for a lack of competition. Intel may not want to flood the market with Broadwell Quads with if they feel Skylake will be on time.
As you know Skylake's 14nm architecture is very different from Broadwell's 14nm.
In the end it could also simply be all of us being screwed by the powers that be. One never really can be sure these days.
It's ok, it's been a rocky shrinkage for Intel that's for sure. Just we're still using the same lithography process since Ivy in 2012... That's a bitter pill to swallow for upgrading a £2k laptop.
I'll definitely upgrade to Skylake, I'm sure it will be quite a chip, it's more of a question of; upgrade now and wait until next year or do I wait and hope there's a Skylake update this year? As I really will make use of a better dGPU, I could order it right now and have it arrive the day I get back from Spain or wait for benchmarks to come out.
Just I've never been a fan of team Red, always been a Blue and Green guy since I first got into computers.
Because apple are making peoples heads spin and become confused by making odd product decisions. PCIe and SSD are the future yet they are still releasing brand new computers with a hard drive from 2003.
No seriously, by spinner he probably means 5400rpm hard drive.
Bit IMO on that.... It's fantastic. The only issue is the size of the keys need some getting used to.
But totally understand some people don't like them. I know some people that like those Stock Dell keyboard from about 2000 that all end up in the bin.
Geez I don't think I have been less excited about a product line update since pre-Intel times...
It seems like a nice little upgrade to me. I don't see why some are whining. Intel doesn't have the right next-gen quad-core processor yet; Apple can't do anything about that. And, it isn't like Apple ran a multi-million dollar show to release the upgrades.
Hmmm let me see...
3D Work
Video
Compositing
2D animation
Illustration
Photographic Work
Spreadsheets
Documents
CAD
Work in General
Probably another dozen or so reasons too.
In time for holiday shopping season?
That's my guess and hope it's right.
I've been waiting to upgrade my late 2011 MBP (one logic board failure already due to Radeongate) to a newer designed MBP.
This "update" news is no news at all.
Apple must be mightily peeved by Intel's lack of delivery.
Give us an ARM MBP that can run Apple's family of apps and be done with Intel.
Give us an ARM MBP that can run Apple's family of apps and be done with Intel.
Yeah I have to agree with the top commenters (for a change, lol). These "upgrades" are weak sauce aside from the 16GB standard. But why can't we upgrade to 32GB? Sure most people don't need that now but some of us buy computers for the long-haul. My 2012 rMBP has 16GB of RAM and aside from rendering I've probably only recently started using it on a regular basis in the past year higher resolution imagery and other things that I do. My next machine will be 32GB minimum but I'm looking at an iMac or Mac Pro when Skylake comes out. So the next cycle should be it!
What I want to know is this: Mac OS keeps getting more bloated and buggy, but Apple keeps releasing these lower spec'd machines like the MacBook and the new 5K iMac. I remember reviewers complaining about lag with the 5K display. I experience this somewhat on my 2012 rMBP which was the first retina Mac ever. How will the lower performance affect things like that? Either 10.11 will be crazy fast and optimized like iOS 9 is rumored to be, or Apple just doesn't care any more. But for now these machines just don't impress me when compared to my nearly three year old machine. My 2012 MacBook Pro is in much better shape in 2015 than my 2008 MacBook Pro was in 2011, however. Both run fine but when compared to newer models the 2008 was quite slow compared to the then-new quad-core models. That just hasn't happened in a while and might with Skylake, but I'm going to switch to desktops for my main machine anyway which will be a big performance bump.
What I want to know is this: Mac OS keeps getting more bloated and buggy, but Apple keeps releasing these lower spec'd machines like the MacBook and the new 5K iMac. I remember reviewers complaining about lag with the 5K display. I experience this somewhat on my 2012 rMBP which was the first retina Mac ever. How will the lower performance affect things like that? Either 10.11 will be crazy fast and optimized like iOS 9 is rumored to be, or Apple just doesn't care any more. But for now these machines just don't impress me when compared to my nearly three year old machine. My 2012 MacBook Pro is in much better shape in 2015 than my 2008 MacBook Pro was in 2011, however. Both run fine but when compared to newer models the 2008 was quite slow compared to the then-new quad-core models. That just hasn't happened in a while and might with Skylake, but I'm going to switch to desktops for my main machine anyway which will be a big performance bump.
It's not helpful if you hate trackpads as I do. Give me a nice 5-button mouse over that garbage any day of the week. Try gaming with a trackpad...UGH. How long until your wrists hurt from glass hard trackpads? UGH. It doesn't mean a thing to me. It's just more likely to do something I don't want it to do when it thinks I'm pressing harder than I'm trying to.
The TDP doesn't seem to have a direct correlation - the 295X has the same TDP as the 680MX, yet it is a blast furnace compared to the 680MX.
Ask any 5k iMac owner with a 295 whether they can get a stable 70 to 75C temperature on the GPU while running it hard and you'll see what I mean.
The TDP of the 680MX is 122W.
All of us that don't solely use Apple's "family of apps" might disagree with that.
Just checked: in our Apple online store the "normal" (non-Retina) iMac 27" also got a... hmmm.... downgrade: the option to choose an Intel i7 has gone!!!
That explains why my orginal 27" order with i7 never ever got an expected shipment date for 5 weeks. Still glad I went with the baseline 5k instead.
EDIT: interesting that you can select an i7 for the 5k, but not for the more basic 27" anymore. Guess the strategy of Apple is clear, 5k is the future. Problem is only there will be huge price gap between 21.5" and 27". It used to be ~500-600 dollar. Maybe we'll more price drops in future when Skylaps comes with lower TDPs, cheaper PCBs ?
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