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Apple Releases New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Force Touch and $1,999 27-Inch iMac With Retina Display

8CoreWhore said:
Apple is getting these Haswell chips, AMD graphics, and 8GB (iMac!) RAM dirt cheap. Broadwell is coming out very soon, and Skylake, what people should be waiting for - if they can, this fall.

Force Touch is not a reason to jump. You will practically not even notice it. People, it's just a simulated click.

Broadwell, better battery life and a speed bump will ship next month.

Today's pricing is to move these out. Don't be fooled by a stupid "click" in the trackpad.
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You're extremely confused if you think the ForceTouch trackpad is nothing more than a simulated click on the trackpad. That's like saying rumble on a game controller or vibrations on a cell phone are nothing. It's programmable tactile feedback. This is going to be a pretty big part of games, if nothing else.

Further, it can measure force. I'm planning on this being an integral part of a program I'm making right now (it's a music composition program - force will be translated to volume. I can think of numerous other ways that measuring force will allow for quicker and more intuitive controls that existing alternatives.)
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
You can never fully answer this question. When the next refresh/update arrives, the very same question will still be as applicable and waiting for the next version will be just as sensible.

Best answer: buy when you want/need one. And enjoy what you buy.
Next best answer: never buy by waiting for the next updates and use the money to enjoy life beyond cyberspace.
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THOPMedia said:
Wisdom
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Wait, what? I thought the first two Articles of Faith around here were that there is no life beyond MR and that practical uses of technology are secondary to paper spec sheets and synthetic benchmarks. Was I wrong? :eek: ;)
 
steve23094 said:
I think it's interesting the the new 15" rMBP has an AMD chip. Looks to me like anybody expecting a Nvidia chip in the expected Retina iMac update later this year is going to be out of luck.

For the mean time Apple is in bed with AMD.
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Apple always switches back and forth. Its better for the consumer in the long run in my opinion.
 
I went to an Apple store yesterday and checked out the new keyboard. LOVE it, like comparing a Trabant to a Mercedes.

Exact, fast and faster tying. Not soggy as the present one is.

Any hope that Apple implements it on the MacBook PRO int the future?
 
deepen03 said:
Apple would of course use their own custom non-market Radeon chip.. there is no such thing as an M370x on any other computer out there..

However, it looks like the same spec as a 290X chip. just customize for Apple.
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You have any specs for M370X?
 
MacBH928 said:
Day 345

Still waiting for the broadwell macbooks to come out. I am starting to hear about new processors called Skylake.... whats that about?
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That's the processor update you will wait for the next 345 days.
 
michaelsviews said:
Ditto, think I'll look at the refurbs, today is NOT a big deal
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Refurbs can be hard to land what you want. I've been watching for weeks and over the weekend a refurb 2014 2.8 GHz/ 1 TB/ 750M came up for $2719, so I ordered it hoping that a new model would come within the 14 day return period. I guess I'll stick with saving $520 going with last year's model ... Force Touch isn't worth that kinda difference.
 
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koyoot said:
You have no idea what you are writing about in case of Mantle. Mantle is a low-level API that is FUNCTIONAL base of every modern gaming API that exists: DirectX 12, Vulkan, Metal. AMD made it because of the constaints of workforce made to optimize drivers, for games that were coded directly for one specific vendor: Nvidia. A guy from EA to simplify work at code of a game came with an idea of Low-Level API, and went everywhere he could: Nvidia, Intel, IBM, and everybody didn't see the future in it. Everybody, apart from AMD. AMD didn't see the potential in it until they started to experiment with it. And it of it went. Mantle brings functional simplicity to game code, and can be run on every hardware that can operate on each API. AMD put it Open Source, Intel, ARM, Imagination Technologies, Apple(Metal), Nvidia. All of them took it. Apart from one company. Nvidia. Also, Nvidia payed Microsoft to lock some features of DirectX12 only for Nvidia hardware. Features, that are so meaningless, that can be used only for Marketing purposes. Guess that marketing catched you easilly. Like many, many more people.

Why not GTX965M? Because it uses 65W of power ALONE. Also, if Im counting this correctly: M370X should be around GTX950M in terms of performance.

M370X should be around 30W of power draw. So that is efficiency. 30W part is as fast as 45W chip.
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Shhhhh. On this forum nVidia is the all powerful GPU god.
 
koyoot said:
You have no idea what you are writing about in case of Mantle. Mantle is a low-level API that is FUNCTIONAL base of every modern gaming API that exists: DirectX 12, Vulkan, Metal. AMD made it because of the constaints of workforce made to optimize drivers, for games that were coded directly for one specific vendor: Nvidia. A guy from EA to simplify work at code of a game came with an idea of Low-Level API, and went everywhere he could: Nvidia, Intel, IBM, and everybody didn't see the future in it. Everybody, apart from AMD. AMD didn't see the potential in it until they started to experiment with it. And it of it went. Mantle brings functional simplicity to game code, and can be run on every hardware that can operate on each API. AMD put it Open Source, Intel, ARM, Imagination Technologies, Apple(Metal), Nvidia. All of them took it. Apart from one company. Nvidia. Also, Nvidia payed Microsoft to lock some features of DirectX12 only for Nvidia hardware. Features, that are so meaningless, that can be used only for Marketing purposes. Guess that marketing catched you easilly. Like many, many more people.

Why not GTX965M? Because it uses 65W of power ALONE. Also, if Im counting this correctly: M370X should be around GTX950M in terms of performance.

M370X should be around 30W of power draw. So that is efficiency. 30W part is as fast as 45W chip.
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I agree Koyoot. I was commenting yesterday that I thought the 960/970m were likely too power hungry for the MBP unless Apple implemented a larger power supply. The GeForce 750m uses 35-40 watts of power and the new m370 will be similar.

The 750m puts down about 1500 in Fire Strike. A 70-80% increase would have the m370 around 2600-2700, which is close to a GeForce 950m on paper. Its definitely a significant upgrade, but the previous card was pretty outdated.

Apple is typically more about the user experience then the benchmarks. I think that the 2.5x faster PCIE storage with the dGPU update will make the unit "feel" quite a bit faster. I might go pick one up and Craigslist my current machine. If so, Ill post benches.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
You're extremely confused if you think the ForceTouch trackpad is nothing more than a simulated click on the trackpad. That's like saying rumble on a game controller or vibrations on a cell phone are nothing. It's programmable tactile feedback. This is going to be a pretty big part of games, if nothing else.

Further, it can measure force. I'm planning on this being an integral part of a program I'm making right now (it's a music composition program - force will be translated to volume. I can think of numerous other ways that measuring force will allow for quicker and more intuitive controls that existing alternatives.)
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As good of an idea that is, it has one major flaw. How hard you press something is not exactly accurate when you get no feedback. You have no means of pressing with almost the same force multiple times. If I want two parts to be the same volume, how do I apply the same force twice to the trackpad in a quick and efficient way, that is quicker than pressing a few keys and a couple of clicks to set the volumes identical? I'm sure you've thought of this but that's just my thoughts from the very basis of your idea!
 
This upgrade to the Retina MacBook Pro is quite disappointing after such a long wait.

I bought an October 2013 model. The Haswell with PCIe storage and 750m. They bumped the CPU GHz up in the 2014 iteration and now they've replaced the GPU and given it Force Touch on the 2015 one but kept the CPU the same even though Broadwell is on the horizon.

The thing that makes it most disappointing is that Apple doesn't update these laptops when the new tech comes out. We have to wait until probably next year before they update them again if they keep to their 1 update a year cadance (2012, 2013, 2014 now 2015).

We missed out on the 850m entirely last year. Now we're gonna miss Broadwell and go straight to skylake likely in 2016.

I'm disappointed we didn't get a 4K panel like competitors are shipping in their high end 15" notebooks that still cost less than Apples. I'm disappointed we didn't get the same colour options the MacBook has as it's obvious they are coming with the next physical redesign.

Just meh. I was going to buy one but I'm really on the fence after this.
 
Was hoping for a Broadwell iMac...

Interesting to note the non-retina 27 inch iMac doesn't have any BTO processor options.
 
Is there any proof that skylake is going to include a massive redesign? I know most people are thinking that apple will support wireless charging since skylake supports it but i don't think they will at first.

Honestly i just got a new macbook pro and will most likely not look at a new one until a 2nd gen cannonlake.
 
Janichsan said:
The second disappointing "upgrade" of the 15" MBPs in a row. Meh.
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Considering that there are no Broadwell CPUs to upgrade the 15", I'd say this was pretty good for update.

If Broadwell was available, it would simply be the same machines except with 1866MHz RAM and a 5-10% faster CPU.
 
toddraynerart said:
The point is they took away that option to upgrade to the i7 and a better graphics card. Which IMO is a big issue. You have to spend more to get those options.
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They haven't taken away any options - they've added an economy model who's only purpose is to have boxes with a sub-$2000 sticker on the rack at Best Buy. All of the old options are still available if you start with the deluxe model - which has had a price cut.

Not being able to order a 3.3GHz CPU with a M295X GPU will mildly inconvenience a tiny fraction of potential buyers and greatly simplify Apple's logistics.
 
Yaboze said:
2GB VRAM in the 5K iMac is criminal.
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Indeed. I thought they were going to raise the max GPU memory on the iMac from 4GB to 8GB (and I'd might purchased one in that case). Instead, they lower the max GPU dedicated memory to 2GB. Sorry Apple, I'm interested in professional GPUs.
 
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