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I'm about to pull the trigger on a fully loaded iMac with Retina display but my only concern is gaming performance vs the non retina iMac that just got discontinued with the 780M. I've read a lot on this thread (and others) about the lower performance as a result of the greater pixel count, but wouldn't you be able to cancel that out by running games on non-Retina resolution?

Am I missing something here?

Thanks in advance for any input.
 
Comes at a perfect time. I just sold me 2012 mbp yesterday. I am in the market for a new macbook. I may have to pick this one up.
 
I'm about to pull the trigger on a fully loaded iMac with Retina display but my only concern is gaming performance vs the non retina iMac that just got discontinued with the 780M. I've read a lot on this thread (and others) about the lower performance as a result of the greater pixel count, but wouldn't you be able to cancel that out by running games on non-Retina resolution?

Am I missing something here?

Thanks in advance for any input.
From what I understand, you are right. The Retina iMac might throttle due to heat, but it's still a more powerful video card than the 780M. The 295X can run Crisis 3 at Ultra with 34 FPS at 1080p
 
How much was the highest End iMac non-retina, before? 1999$? It had 3.4 GHz CPU? It had HDD in base config? It had 8 GB of Ram? GTX 780M was slower than M290X? Yes, it was.

So right now, people are getting roughly more(dGPU and the display) for the same anount of money.

How the **** can it be wrong?

Edit. Nope I checked the benchmarks. M290X is EXACLTY the same performant as GTX780M. So, basically for the same amount of money you get better display.

Again, how the **** it can be wrong?

Edit, again. No. Its even worse for you, moaners. GTX780M was optional extra for how much? 200 quid? So, to get the same performance level you had to pay 2199USD to get 3.4 GHz CPU, 8 GB of RAM, 1 TB HDD, and M290X. And it was WITHOUT THE DISPLAY!

How can that be a bad thing?

But the 290X is driving FAR more pixels on the 5k screen. So same performance, driving millions more pixels ---> poor gaming machine.

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Did Phil Schiller go to the QVC school of English. Everything is "amazing". Doesn't he know any other adjectives.

Too much LDS in the free speech movement.
 
Don't count AMD out. And even if you like Nvidia (which I do), it's always better to have a good competitor.

If you follow the pro market, this actually makes sense. OpenCL has made huge strides and is currently faster on the AMD side. CUDA has had a lot of stability problems with apps in their last several versions. It just goes back and forth like this.

True, but it would been cool if the rMBP's AMD R9 dGPU was uprated to 4GB. Then I would buy it in a flash.

I've heard on the APEoF (Adobe Premiere Pro Editors of Facebook) that Mac and Nvidia hardware don't mix. I'll wait if they update the CPU. If they (Apple) decide to update the AMD R9 with the new CPU (if Intel releases it), I'll give the rMBP a try.
 
No doubt some people will be disappointed by the recent rMBP update, that didn't include a new CPU. This is not Apple's fault, clearly, as the Broadwell-H chips simply aren't available, and may never be.

However, it did give me pause for thought about whether the slowing pace of computer technology advancement might actually be a good thing....

Back in the late 80's & 90's we saw doubling or tripling of CPU speeds every couple of years, which meant large incremental performance improvements between CPU releases, and a bit of an "arms race" to keep up with the latest tech.

In the last 2-3 years with Intel's Core chips, incremental performance gains have been minimal, so there's been little incentive to upgrade between generations. Yesterday's rMBP release is a case in point - not much better (SSD and GPU performance excepted) than 2013 models.

I think we're naturally settling into a 3-4 year upgrade cycle, where you need to wait 2-3 CPU generations in order to get any worthwhile improvement.

This probably suits most people better than having the "stress" of wondering whether their shiny new computer will struggle to run software in the next one or two years. It also aligns with Apple Care (3 years) and many corporate laptop refresh cycles (my company allows new machines every 3 years).

I love tech advancement as much as the next nerd, but there's no doubt that for many of us the impulse to have the "latest and best" machine is an expensive addiction.

Maybe in a few years computers will just become another commodity household item (especially with more processing being done on cloud services) - much like your fridge or washing machine. I don't see many people getting exited by this years Electrolux or Westinghouse appliance....you just buy a new one when the old one becomes unreliable and can't be fixed.

Haha wow, I have to disagree. If you look back at history or follow the patterns of technological innovation, you can see that when paradigms reach their end they slow, and then something completely new is discovered that breaks apart the limitations of the previous paradigm. Yes, it is becoming very hard to make silicon processors ever smaller as we get down to 14, 10, and fewer nanometers. But just wait until quantum computing. That will completely shatter the performance of silicon chips. In a few years we will be entering a completely new paradigm of computing that will make binary processors look look like punch card machines.

Another example would be the shift from hard disk drives to solid state drives. Or CRT monitors to flatscreens. Or the printing press to the copy machine.

Technological innovation is accelerating faster than ever. This moment is just a minor bump in the road on the exponential curve of accelerating technology.

Cheers!
 
i don't quite understand what you're saying..

for reference, i hear you saying:
" they took away the option to upgrade.. you still have the option to upgrade.. but now it costs money"

(when it cost money in the past too)

..but i'm probably misinterpreting you.

Before you had the non-retina iMac which you could upgrade to the i7 + GTX780m. Now, in order to upgrade to an i7 and upgrade the graphics you have to pay a higher base price for the top 5K, then you have to pay for the upgrades on top of that.

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Haha wow, I have to disagree. If you look back at history or follow the patterns of technological innovation, you can see that when paradigms reach their end they slow, and then something completely new is discovered that breaks apart the limitations of the previous paradigm. Yes, it is becoming very hard to make silicon processors ever smaller as we get down to 14, 10, and fewer nanometers. But just wait until quantum computing. That will completely shatter the performance of silicon chips. In a few years we will be entering a completely new paradigm of computing that will make binary processors look look like punch card machines.

Another example would be the shift from hard disk drives to solid state drives. Or CRT monitors to flatscreens. Or the printing press to the copy machine.

Technological innovation is accelerating faster than ever. This moment is just a minor bump in the road on the exponential curve of accelerating technology.

Cheers!

While quantum computing will be extremely fast compared with binary, it won't be adopted for decades because:

A) it will be unbelievably expensive
B) Manufacturers of components will have to develop new solutions, costly and very time consuming.
C) software companies will have to completely rewrite every piece of code written in their programs from scratch if they want it to be compatible. Not to mention operating systems will need to be completely rewritten from scratch.

Even if these companies started today, it's still 20 years down the line before it even comes close to being consumer.
 
Before you had the non-retina iMac which you could upgrade to the i7 + GTX780m. Now, in order to upgrade to an i7 and upgrade the graphics you have to pay a higher base price for the top 5K, then you have to pay for the upgrades on top of that.

i see now. thanks for clarifying
 
Apple is getting these Haswell chips, AMD graphics, and 8GB (iMac!) RAM dirt cheap. Broadwell is coming out very soon, and Skylake, what people should be waiting for - if they can, this fall.

Force Touch is not a reason to jump. You will practically not even notice it. People, it's just a simulated click.

Broadwell, better battery life and a speed bump will ship next month.

Today's pricing is to move these out. Don't be fooled by a stupid "click" in the trackpad.

Anyone can say anything when there is no ownership down the road when the stupid thing they said comes back to bite their invisible keyboard warrior hands.

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Yep I wanted Force Touch. I'm happy I'm getting it in the pro model so soon. I really think Force Touch alone should make this a no-brainer upgrade for a lot of people. It's the future of the trackpad and everyone will need it sooner than later.

Everyone says there literally is no difference between the two touch wise. That doesn't make me wanna jump to my feet just to buy it for force touch. No perceivable difference. And you want to buy it on THAT alone?
 
I desperately need to upgrade from my cracked bezel 2008 17"MBP.

My question is should I go with the new rMBP or this refurb : http://store.apple.com/us/product/F...-25GHz-Quad-core-Intel-i7-with-Retina-Display

Identical surface specs, $500 price difference.

As you can tell I keep my stuff until it literally breaks, so future proofing is important.

The new laptop says it has a 2.5x speed increase on the SSD. I don't know what that means in the real world though.

Anything else besides that and the force touch justifying the $500 difference or should I get the 2014 refurb?

(I use my computer for making music in Logic.)
 
Definitely skipping this one, yet again, and continue to use my maxed out mid-2012 rmbp. Waiting for really big upgrade or hopefully complete redesign sometime soon.
 
These are the most powerful MacBook Pros yet. Force Touch is truly incredible and that alone makes it worth buying a new laptop and selling your old one.

I ordered already!

Glad I didn't rush in and buy that new 12" MacBook now.

The 12" MacBook is a completely different computer compared to a MacBook Pro. Do you even need a Pro if the MacBook appeared to meet your requirements at one stage?
 
These are the most powerful MacBook Pros yet. Force Touch is truly incredible and that alone makes it worth buying a new laptop and selling your old one.

I ordered already!

Glad I didn't rush in and buy that new 12" MacBook now.

Well, it would be a pretty lame update if the updated model wouldn't be more powerful than the previous model.
 
Nope. iPod 6th is reserved for the iPad event in August. Maybe it's just bla bla talk about the cool new features of iOS 9. Hopefully it won't be so desastrous, excuse me I mean overblown, like Mac OS 9.... :eek::(

Let's just hope it's not choppy.



Maybe there really is a new ipod touch update coming this year? I think its been about 3 years since the last one with a minor update in 2013.
 
Is it? Or you've seen it completely wrong?

2GB is for Base model With M290X. Higher end model, which was the "old" Retina iMac 5K is 200USD less than before, and still has the upgrade option of M295X with 4 GB of Memory.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the previous non-retina iMac could be upgraded to 4GB GPU. Now you must buy the top-level configuration of the retina iMac to have that option.

For me it's very important to have huge amounts of memory in the GPU, because I'm using textures from satellite imagery.

It's sad that 8GB GPUs are becoming common in the mass-market PC products nowadays, but we're only given a comparable amount of GPU memory on the Mac Pro.

If at least Apple supported using 8GB of memory for integrated Intel GPUs on Macs with 16GB (or more) RAM, it could be a valid workaround for me. But no way, they impose low limits for the memory used on integrated Intel GPUs.
 
I can afford it though. Thats the thing, I could buy a three or even five 12 core Mac Pros tomorrow in cash and it honestly wouldn't change my lifestyle one bit. It has nothing to do with having the money to buy it. I'm not rich but im also not stupid with my money. If I can save close to 50% of the computers price by not going all SSD then I'm going to take that option especially when their isn't much of a difference in my usage. My iMac cost me $2300 including shipping and tax. It would have cost me well over $3,000 to go all SSD.

Obviously if i was making money off of my computer as a video editor I'd go for a SSD setup but thats not the case. I've had my Retina iMac for 6 months and haven't had the need for all SSD at all and this is coming from someone who uses SSD in their Mac laptop everyday.

Buy a refurb then. That's what I did. I saved $500 bucks on a maxed out mid 2014 model with 1TB SSD.
 
Intel Iris Pro Graphics + AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory

What is this sorcery?

I agree.

Apple laptops have always been on the consumer end of the GFX spectrum. Not that I'd expect much from a notebook masquerading as an ultrabook though.

In days past I'd lament over such paltry specs but now with hardware licenses floating between system I can get a 15" MBP to kick around for personal use and buy a REAL portable powerhouse for my bread and butter system.

On a side note, at least we don't have to put up with the Apple circa 2010 that would've made us wait until Skylake to get Force Touch and faster PCIe SSDs. Now at least those looking to purchase one soon will have the actual latest and greatest.
 
Today there is a store in my country that dropped the price for the Apple iMac 27'' i7-3,5GHz | 16GB | 1TB | GTX 780M a lot. It went from 2649€ (~2944$) to 1999€ (~2222$) with tax included.

I don't need/want the 5k version. Should I buy this one right now, or wait for some update for the non retina iMac 27" next month at WWDC?

My only problem is that I wanted the fusion drive, and this one don't have one... What do you guys think about this price? Any tips?


Thanks in advance!
 
I agree.

Apple laptops have always been on the consumer end of the GFX spectrum. Not that I'd expect much from a notebook masquerading as an ultrabook though.

In days past I'd lament over such paltry specs but now with hardware licenses floating between system I can get a 15" MBP to kick around for personal use and buy a REAL portable powerhouse for my bread and butter system.

This is more or less what I did - I gave up waiting for a MBP with decent graphics, and bought an XMG P505 instead (a Clevo P651SE clone), which has an Nvidia 970M GPU, 2.6Ghz i7 CPU, 16Gb RAM and a 1TB SSD, and a nice 15" 1080p IPS screen, all for around £1500, but I still use my Macbook Air for lightweight travelling and presentations (my wife uses my old Macbook Pro). It doesn't have the style of a rMBP, but it performs flawlessly with anything I've thrown at it, including the very latest PC games running on Ultra settings.
 
Buy a refurb then. That's what I did. I saved $500 bucks on a maxed out mid 2014 model with 1TB SSD.

No refurbs Retina iMacs were available in 2014. I needed a desktop and wasn’t waiting until the spring of 2015 to spend more money on a refurbished SSD model.
 
It sounds like this is more of just an additional configuration that is available. Not really an update to the product line.
 
Haha wow, I have to disagree. If you look back at history or follow the patterns of technological innovation, you can see that when paradigms reach their end they slow, and then something completely new is discovered that breaks apart the limitations of the previous paradigm. Yes, it is becoming very hard to make silicon processors ever smaller as we get down to 14, 10, and fewer nanometers. But just wait until quantum computing. That will completely shatter the performance of silicon chips. In a few years we will be entering a completely new paradigm of computing that will make binary processors look look like punch card machines.

Another example would be the shift from hard disk drives to solid state drives. Or CRT monitors to flatscreens. Or the printing press to the copy machine.

Technological innovation is accelerating faster than ever. This moment is just a minor bump in the road on the exponential curve of accelerating technology.

Cheers!

And here's thing. Once that does happen and those machines start rolling out to consumers, we will still have threads loaded with complaints from people are still not satisfied with even that performance and will want even more.
 
I really wanted to give my aging 2008 MBP a rest.

Initially this was very disappointing news, a silent, not worthy of an WWDC announcement, lipstick on a pig, only an old 4th gen, 'toc'.

But then I realized, this is great news! If this was a Broadwell machine I would say they would want to sell as many as the could, with minor updates this year. We would be stuck with them until Skylake 2016. This toc means the rumors are correct in that Apple will skip Broadwell and go straight to a true 'Toc' with a Skylake announcement at WWDC. Release date Q4 2015, just in time for the heavy holiday sales :)

The only folks that will buy this toc are the ones that absolutely 'need' a new laptop or unaware that a Toc is now around the corner.
 
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