Apple Releases New Diversity Numbers, Hired Over 11,000 Women in Past Year

[laurim]

Women today are encouraged to follow certain career paths, even if it goes against their wishes. That doesn't mean they listen to people who tell them these things, but it does happen.

At my scholarship dinner, my mom told me she had wanted to be a chemist and was up for a scholarship herself back in the day. Her father got angry and told her not to apply for it because "that's not what women do". So she gave up on that dream. Got pregnant in her senior year, the guy dumped her, she met my dad and became a stay at home mom the rest of her life. She used her brains to teach her kids the alphabet before they started kindergarten, manage the household money/taxes and do the crossword every day. So much potential gone to waste. I'm grateful for all the ways she made ME smarter but feel bad that she wasn't able to fully chase HER dreams.

BTW- my own dad once told me that women working were the ruin of the USA economy because it took away jobs from men and having two people in a household working allowed prices for everything to go up. Regardless, he supported me with my college and career path because he loved me. THAT'S the kind of thing women have to deal with when they want to do something non-traditional.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Women's choices are shaped in part by how welcome they are made to feel, just like any group of people. A quick Google search revealed this source, which used high-quality, publicly available data to make the following plot of women's participation various sciences (as measured by proportion of bachelor's degrees awarded to women in the given field). Computer science stands out like a sore thumb, and arguing that everything is OK is truly sticking one's head in the sand

There was an initial spike in interest by women in computers, because it was a brand new field at the time. And notice it went to the same or slightly higher level before the spike began. Again women's choices determined the lack of interest after women found what this new field was about. Considering computers are now used in nearly all job descriptions might be enough fulfillment for females in the computer age, instead of going in the computer jobs directly.

Of course computer science will stick out as it came into age during 1984. I'm sure we seen similar spikes for other jobs that women didn't pursue but been around much longer.

 

[laurim]

What part of Black Lives Matter don't Apple understand? Until all white men are gone, the diversity groups and Al Sharpton will not be happy.

What kind of cheese would you like with your white whine? Crackers? lol

 

[Renzatic]

What kind of cheese would you like with your white whine? Crackers? lol

I see what you did there. O_0

 

[laurim]

Wow people think diversity isn't important? You guys don't get it. I'm not surprised when reading front page comments actually.

It's because they think diversity efforts are the reason they didn't get a job, instead of the fact that they simply weren't good enough.

 

[laurim]

If you want a firefighter that is small and has better endurance, you pick a male that is small and has better endurance. When it comes to physical activity, you just can't beat having more testosterone in one's blood.

Ever looked at how many police and firefighters are obese? Doesn't appear to me that peak physicality is that important to the job. Especially when a cop can save a run by just shooting someone in the back.

 

[laurim]

Let's be honest here, THE only unbiased way for any company to hire is Blind Interviews.

You know nothing about the persons Age, Race, Gender, Physical ability or looks until you give them the job.

THEN you find out what they are like as a "piece of meat" after they have the job based on their skills.

Nothing to do with their sex, size of breasts, colour of hair, what tattoo's they have and wear, colour of their hair, height, age, colour of skin, how they speak etc etc.. Nothing.

Until that is done, it will always be biased in some way based upon the views of the interviewers.

That could be one way. OR, more companies might start putting more value into the intrinsic worth of having a more diverse set of people's viewpoints. And the fact that on average, women are better equipped to work in a collaborative workplace because all that aggressive, competitive testosterone gets tempered by some collegial, nurturing estrogen.

 

[laurim]

Oh please. EARN the job, getting it because you have a vagina is just as wrong as not getting it because you have a vagina

How about if the situation is, all things being equal skill and background-wise, hiring with an eye on diversity helps the company as a whole? Which is probably the case. Most of these positions will have plenty of applicants with the exact same kind of education and experience so the only thing left is personality and the ability to bring more diverse viewpoints and life experiences into the workplace.

 

[laurim]

What privilege are you talking about?
The privilege that male genitals are not protected under law like female genitals.
The privilege that female on male rape is not in the definition of rape by the DOJ
The privilege where family courts are biased against men,
The privilege to pay child support for children that are not yours
The privilege where some people think its wrong for men to defend themselves when hit by a woman
The privilege where male rape victims have to pay their rapist child support
The privilege to go to wars and die
The privilege where most scholarships are for women and minorities even though more women attend university than men.
The privilege that men have to be taught not to rape when just as many women rape men.

Just as many women rape men? Data please.

BTW- women are fighting for the right to being in combat alongside men. it's men that are blocking that. Most of your list is a product of men's policies, not women's.

 

[Renzatic]

Ever looked at how many police and firefighters are obese? Doesn't appear to me that peak physicality is that important to the job. Especially when a cop can save a run by just shooting someone in the back.

To be fair, a firefighter is the one job where pure brute strength is a massive advantage. Being able to axe through a door and carry a couple people out in as quickly as possible is something we can do better without having to go through massive amounts of training, because we generally have more muscle density and upper body strength.

Though all things considered, women tend to naturally have more endurance. They don't have nearly as much burst strength, but they can sustain their strength a little better.

 

[laurim]

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”


A woman can not rape a man unles she penetrates his anus with a finger, penis or objec, or his mouth with a sex organ. Since a woman does not have a penis the can not rape a man through vaginal sex with the DOJ definition. I guess if she penetrated his mouth with her clitoris that could also be rape.

"Forced sexual intercourse means penetration by the offender"

The offender is being penetrated in this case and is therefore not raped by DOJ definition. It is rape by law and a women would get convicted of rape in this case, but the event would not be included in rape statistics but rather put in sexual assault category.



Men are included if they get raped in the anus by a woman or man. They are included when they are raped as per the definition but the definition states that they have to be penetrated. During conventional sexual intercourse as man is not usually penetrated. Before this new definition prison rape was not considered rape.

I think you are reading that DOJ definition with a bias in your head. It quite clearly states that if a woman forces a man to penetrate her, that that is rape by the woman. Here, I substituted the words to clearly illustrate this for you:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus (of a woman) with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another (a woman), without the consent of the (man).”

 

[linuxcooldude]

That could be one way. OR, more companies might start putting more value into the intrinsic worth of having a more diverse set of people's viewpoints. And the fact that on average, women are better equipped to work in a collaborative workplace because all that aggressive, competitive testosterone gets tempered by some collegial, nurturing estrogen.

I think the real reason is because of pressure from interest groups wanting diversity breakdowns of their employees. I have been seeing a lot of that lately. We also live in a politicly correct society where we fight perceived injustices rather then using good sense and trying to force diversity rather then personal choices. Making women aware of alternative choices is fine as long as we don't force the issue with both employers and employees. Let people make their own choices while we are still letting them know of the different alternatives they have out there.

 

[laurim]

"Diversity is critical to innovation"

Whites and blacks came to America at basically the same time so you are both just as much American as the other..
(Or just as little if you look at it from a native Americans point of view.. )

Well, a large portion of black people were FORCED to come to america so it's a little different. Just sayin'.

Personally, I also think the term "african american" is silly now unless the person was actually born in Africa and moved here recently. I also think "caucasian" is silly. Should get rid of both terms.

 

[randian]

That could be one way. OR, more companies might start putting more value into the intrinsic worth of having a more diverse set of people's viewpoints.

That might be great in sales and marketing. You forget this is a tech forum. A diversity of viewpoints is usually a diversity of error in engineering.

 

[cfedu]

Just as many women rape men? Data please.

BTW- women are fighting for the right to being in combat alongside men. it's men that are blocking that. Most of your list is a product of men's policies, not women's.

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Numbers are from the CDC.

 

[laurim]

I'll just stand by ready to say "I told you so." When this little social experiment fails. Women who are actually interested in the job have plenty of opportunity, the ones who only came in because they heard the salaries were good and companies didn't care if they were qualified as long as they have the right plumbing will fail and blame it on sexism, but eventually companies will realize that people who want the job will earn it.

Like the same amount of men don't choose careers that way already?

 

[cfedu]

I think you are reading that DOJ definition with a bias in your head. It quite clearly states that if a woman forces a man to penetrate her, that that is rape by the woman. Here, I substituted the words to clearly illustrate this for you:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus (of a woman) with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another (a woman), without the consent of the (man).”

That's not how the English language works


https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/41322-women-cant-rape-men-at-least-not-with-their-vaginas/


Should read more like this


Rape - penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by, or with, a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim being penetrated or made to penetrate.

 

[laurim]

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Numbers are from the CDC.

Ah, so you are putting the "oh, I'll have sex with you only because you guilted me into it or I passed out drunk with a woman in bed and she climbed on top of me but I really didn't feel that upset about it later" kind of rape into the same category as being "physically forced to the ground and having a penis or object violently shoved inside your body" kind of rape.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Its also interesting that I don't see any push for men to get into female dominated jobs. Why is that? I suppose women are always the victim, so it must be discrimination when the situation is reversed.

 

[randian]

Ah, so you are putting the "oh, I'll have sex with you only because you guilted me into it or I passed out drunk with a woman in bed and she climbed on top of me but I really didn't feel that upset about it later" kind of rape into the same category as being "physically forced to the ground and having a penis or object violently shoved inside your body" kind of rape.

The law makes no distinction between "I passed out drunk" rape and "forcible rape" when a woman is the victim, so why should it make that distinction when a man is?

 

[laurim]

That's not how the English language works


https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/41322-women-cant-rape-men-at-least-not-with-their-vaginas/


Should read more like this


Rape - penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by, or with, a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim being penetrated or made to penetrate.

What you wrote means the same thing as the other but is unnecessarily awkward. Name a case where the original wording prevented a man from prosecuting a woman for rape.

 

[laurim]

The law makes no distinction between "I passed out drunk" rape and "forcible rape" when a woman is the victim, so why should it make that distinction when a man is?

It doesn't. Just saying that saying something like "women rape men as often as men rape women" implies that women are going around stalking men and doing extreme violent physical sexual acts on them. They're not.

 

[laurim]

Its also interesting that I don't see any push for men to get into female dominated jobs. Why is that? I suppose women are always the victim, so it must be discrimination when the situation is reversed.

Because no one is discriminating against men doing them? When one wants to and is qualified, they get the job. I've seen plenty of male nurses and it's probably an advantage when they apply because it's good to have a few stronger nurses around to move big patients, even with the lift assists most hospitals have. What female-dominated careers are there where men aren't also there in large numbers? Many men are cooks, hair stylists, designers, etc.

Target removing the gender labels on toys helps boys, too. My nephew wanted my Easy Bake oven so I gave it to him (we're only about 5 years different in age). As an adult, he's had a food management career.

 

[Piggie]

That could be one way. OR, more companies might start putting more value into the intrinsic worth of having a more diverse set of people's viewpoints. And the fact that on average, women are better equipped to work in a collaborative workplace because all that aggressive, competitive testosterone gets tempered by some collegial, nurturing estrogen.

Really are you sure about that.
I've personally spoken to quite a few ladies, who have told me, women can often turn into right bitches against each other in the working environment.
Being all amazing when they are interacting with male workers, but really catty and nasty when dealing with members of their own sex.
I've hear this said quite a few times to make me think they all can't be making this story up about females in the workplace.

Perhaps others here would like to comment on how amazing, or not women get along with each other.

 

[cfedu]

What you wrote means the same thing as the other but is unnecessarily awkward. Name a case where the original wording prevented a man from prosecuting a woman for rape.

Nice that you ignored the link into why it was written like that.