They are as per the CDC. The 1/5 number also comes from the CDC, or do you just cherrypick the numbers? Notice how the CDC also does not interpret the definition as you do.
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Apple Releases New Diversity Numbers, Hired Over 11,000 Women in Past Year
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They are as per the CDC. The 1/5 number also comes from the CDC, or do you just cherrypick the numbers? Notice how the CDC also does not interpret the definition as you do.
An advantage of having more women on an engineering team would be a little less ego conflict and better teamwork. Not saying that's an absolute because I had an issue with a female IT person being angry that I got assigned the front end web development work and she never got over that and blocked my workflow every chance she could. But by and large, women are better at collaboration without ego than men are. And women tend to be better at multi-tasking and attention to detail.
http://www.livescience.com/20011-brain-cognition-gender-differences.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/glennll...-give-women-a-sustainable-advantage-over-men/
http://www.aas.org/cswa/status/1999/JANUARY1999/WomenInScience.html
An excerpt important to engineering:
Women’s methodology: Perfectionism
When our interviewees mentioned a specifically female methodologic approach or way of thinking, it hardly ever implied a belief in a“non-androcentric” science that has been occasionally discussed in the literature. Rather, the overriding theme that emerged from both men’s and women’s responses was that women were seen to be more cautious and careful in their methods, and to pay more attention to details, compared with men. A woman respondent believed that “women are often more careful in their research and more hesitant to make statements until they feel they can really ‘prove’ them.” Numerous women acknowledged a tendency to be perfectionists in their scientific work. Another woman scientist stressed women’s attention to detail: “Women are more meticulous … And so I think that does affect how you do science. I don’t know why that is, it just seems that for me, and the other women scientists I’ve dealt with, we tend more to deal in the minute details, fine points.” It does not follow, however, that women scientists exclusively concern themselves with details. On the contrary, next to the theme of women’s greater thoroughness, the interviews also brought out the theme that women see the broader picture and do more comprehensive work. In the words of a woman scientist, “women tend to work longer on individual projects and take on projects that are broader in scope than do men. Women seem to find it more difficult to break projects into small parts.”
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Kinda like how you've ignored all evidence to the contrary, and CONTINUE to bleat out this whole no legal definition for male rape nonsense as if it's God's own gospel.
You know how you said that the definition isn't worded according to how the English language works? That's because it's legalese, which has to be very concise, and Spartan with its wording to prevent misinterpretation and loophole abuse. It doesn't have to be absolutely specific about who does what to whom, because it covers its own bases quite well.
Want proof?
Here you go?
Not good enough?
Here you go again.
Still didn't sink in?
Here it is a third time.
Wait? What?
Here it is a 4th time, just to be on the safe side.
Read it, and understand you are WRONG!
Is that it?!? I'm not convinced on discrimination and lack of evidence in men discriminating women in male dominated jobs. Seeing a lot of men in female dominated jobs still does not explain the lack of men in those jobs.
Wow, talking about turning the tables: If its the majority of men in certain jobs it must be discrimination....female dominated job: I still see a lot of men working in mostly female dominated jobs.
I'm not buying it.
LOL. Leave it to a man to turn helping women succeed into something that hurts women.
I still say the most shameful thing about it all is that people feel the need to bandy on about discrimination at all. You might approaching the subject a little more gracefully than CFEDU, who all but made an Apartheid and Islamic ethnic sectarianism comparison to 11,000 women getting a job, but still...
...why is it such a huge concern? Just because it's a little beyond the norm doesn't mean we should start blaring the klaxons.
If you are hearing men complain that they can't get into a female-dominated career, I'd love a link. And be sure to make sure it's not because a bunch of macho men are making them too embarrassed to do it.
I would easily say that. Women are as biased against women in science as men are. See my post about my relatives going to a male family member for technical help before they would go to me, even though I'm eventually the one that can actually help them. THAT'S why programs need to be put in place to override the personal biases of the people involved in hiring. We are trying to overcome a negative position (equally qualified women and minorities being overlooked because of biases), not increase a positive position (blindly hiring ANY woman or minority). This single concept is extremely hard for straight white males to comprehend.
I believe it's being talked about because people were criticizing Apple about it.
Like I said before, diversity for the sake of diversity might not be an absolute answer to the ills of society in and of itself, but at the same time, it doesn't hurt. It's a completely victimless initiative, despite any claims to the contrary.
I say this as a white, straight, native born, nominally Christian male. I don't hate myself. Don't hate other people like me. Don't love the minorities any more or any less than anyone else. But I've never been discriminated against. Probably never will be. I see no reason to fret over this more inclusive future.
People tend to do the careers they are familiar with while growing up. My niece is easily smart enough to be a doctor but her sister is a nurse and she chose to be a nurse. Poor people's kids tend to stay in the low wage jobs they see people around them have. And kids who come from families with doctors or lawyers in them tend to go for those careers. It's all about role models for kids choosing careers. That's why schools have career days to expose kids to a bigger variety of possible careers. We didn't have those when I was in school and I wish I had had more exposure to what careers are out there. My knowledge of all the possibilities was limited to my environment.
What constitutes "the best skill" when you are interviewing? Depends on the skills of the interviewers to actually determine whether the person they are interviewing will actually contribute what the team needs. It's one thing to say you know XYZ and have done XYZ. If you are an ****** and can't manage your time well or not good at sharing information or more about getting yourself promoted than making the team succeed, you are going to be bad for the team. Some people are good at interviewing and, in my experience, men are way better at over-inflating their skills and accomplishments than women are, so interviewing and resumes alone aren't always that great for hiring the best people.
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Nice fairy tale. First, computing wasn't new:
A man in a room full of the first 'computers':
But seriously how about Margaret Hamilton, who programmed flight software for the Apollo landings?
Second, you do not seem to have explained why women lost interest. I suppose that hiring and promotion discrimination, sexist behaviour and attitudes of male colleagues, and gender stereotypes have nothing to do with it...
Really? I cannot think of any. Name one (for which the decline in female interest wasn't discrimination and hostility from men). Certainly there have been lots of new techniques and fields in biology, but that field seems to be humming along recruiting women. Indeed. women now earn the majority of biology bachelor's degrees. All it takes is effort to include women in a field to break the cycle of gender stereotyping.
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ok. deep end achieved.
Kidnapping and aggravated assault is enough of a charge to accomplish a just punishment if the DOJ definition of rape wasn't good enough. No? Seems like more of a semen robbery than a sexual assault.
I don't know "the best skill" is supposed to mean. I replied to a comment that the best candidate doesn't mean they make up part of the best team and that working as a part of a team should be a skill taken into account. Somehow the skill of the interviewer and the generalization about men bragging more than women was the reply - which would likely have been labeled as sexist if it the gender was reversed.
That's why I put "in my experience" to indicate it wasn't meant to be taken as a generality. IN MY EXPERIENCE, men tend to be overconfident of their skills vs women who tend to downplay their skills.I often hear from my male colleagues who work with men in my position on other jobs who claim to be awesome but aren't and won't take suggestions for improving. They tell me they hate working with those guys and prefer working with me any day.
Nice fairy tale. First, computing wasn't new:
A man in a room full of the first 'computers':
But seriously how about Margaret Hamilton, who programmed flight software for the Apollo landings?
Second, you do not seem to have explained why women lost interest. I suppose that hiring and promotion discrimination, sexist behaviour and attitudes of male colleagues, and gender stereotypes have nothing to do with it...
Really? I cannot think of any. Name one (for which the decline in female interest wasn't discrimination and hostility from men). Certainly there have been lots of new techniques and fields in biology, but that field seems to be humming along recruiting women. Indeed. women now earn the majority of biology bachelor's degrees. All it takes is effort to include women in a field to break the cycle of gender stereotyping.
You keep implying that the number of women and or the percentage of women in computer fields dropped, yet everything you seem to quote as evidence simply says there was a an uptick in men persuing IT related jobs during the dotcom boom. Can you provide any evidence that actually supports your position that there was a mass exodus, or do you simply not understand how ratios work?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Perhaps your relatives didn't go to you for help first because of your somewhat...aggressive...nature.
As a straight white male, your generalizations and stereotypes of "us" are kind of ironic since you spending so much time trying to show that the straight white males are the ones doing the same thing to women.
As the article you cited pointed out, that depends entirely on how one defines rape.
And frankly, I don't believe that, "men who have been made to penetrate" are real rape victims unless they felt their lives, health, safety or standing were in jeopardy by them not penetrating.
Public forums are really odd - how does an article on Apple's diversity turn into conversations about people being raped by dolphins!
Would that be the same for women that have been raped?
Same way it turned into women raping men... but apparently women are so damn aggressive nowadays, lol. Men are so scared of us now! Next time I have an opinion, I'll be sure to sprinkle it with soft language like "I don't know much about this but I kinda think it might be like this" words so it doesn't scare you so much. That's what a lot of women do in order to get along with men in the workplace and not be called a *itch, right?
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Would it be fair to treat you based on the cumulative sins of all women, or are men unique in bearing the weight of all wrongs committed by others simply because they share the same gender?
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying in relation to anything I have said in this thread. I don't know how many times I have to say "this situation happening to a man is rape, that situation happening to a man is rape, the rare situation the original guy said is rape IF the man SAYS it is rape to him" would make you happy.
No men (or women) who actually know me have ever complained that I'm "too aggressive". It's only people who can't handle a woman writing in straightforward, non-flowery terms. And I make every effort here to couch my opinions by prefacing things with "a lot" "some" "often" I rarely, if ever, say anything in an absolute way, unless I am absolutely sure it is absolutely true. BTW- another quality that studies show is often a female thing and not so much a male thing.
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Yes. I consider it the same for both men and women. (This is btw, my personal opinion.)
If either men or women fear that by denying or resisting sex they risk losing their life, incurring bodily harm, or facing some grievous retribution (such as losing one's job), then I consider that to be rape.