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I use PCs and don't get malware. According to that poster, macs would have no advantage over my PCs.

Yes. No indistinct end all be all advantage. :confused: They're just computers.

And no, it's not that YOU don't get malware, it's that you're smart enough about how you use your computer that you don't put yourself in a situation where you're likely to get a bug.
 
These ads are extremely funny... in how they upset people and make them critical.

And that is why they are the one really, really dumb thing that Apple does.

I always found these ads insulting. I can't help but think other PC users feel the same. There are PC users that might actually want to be Mac users but you don't get new customers by insulting them.

These ads actually kept me from being a Mac user for years. I wish they had used more friendly ads so I would have learned how awesome Macs are sooner and not have wasted 3 times as much buying and upgrading PCs.

You could argue that I should have learned about Macs, and you are correct, but if you were walking through the mall, looking to buy a new computer, and Apple employees stood outside the Apple store yelling, "Hey you're fat and stupid, come buy a Mac! Come on you big dummy. I bet you use a PC, what an idiot. Come on in you big retard! You MUST be stupid if you don't come get a Mac, moron." Would you buy an Apple? Or would you turn the other way and run, not walk, to your nearest big box store. Then seeing how much cheaper a PC is, think to yourself, "Wow those Apple guys are a bunch of ******s."

I know I did. Till I understood the differences and that's what Apple should be selling. The experiance of using a Mac is beyond compare. Things work and they work well. They are impeccably designed with the user in mind.

Yes they cost more but in 3 years you can actually sell them for 50% of what you bought them for where a 3 year old PC isn't worth anything.

PC's are great game machines simply because that's where the market is. My Mac Mini outperforms my quadcore PC when doing anything graphical and it cost one quarter of what my PC cost counting all the upgrades I've done over the last year. Hell my PC still can't play Hulu at 480p without stuttering while the Mini does it without breaking a sweat. Plus it's a 1000 times more quite, uses 1/4 of the electricity, and my girlfriend can actually use it too!

And THAT is the kind of story Apple ads should be telling. Not, "If you are a PC you are a dumb fat guy. If you are a Mac you are a retarded hipster dork."

Meh, I'm none of those, I'm a creator, an artist. So stop trying to shove me into your boxes in your ads Apple. Your products are the best out there so stop acting like you have an inferiority complex.

Wow, that was a long tirade. Let's hear it for medical marijuana.
 
And that is why they are the one really, really dumb thing that Apple does.


The ONE dumb thing? That's right, Apple does everything else right marketing wise, except their ads. LOL.

And in spite of their terrible ads, which apparently hurt their image, they're experiencing record Mac sales. In a recession. And a historic increase in market share since 2006, outpacing the rest of industry several years running. Folks with $1000+ to spend, are not only not insulted, they're lining up to the counter.

It would be dumb if they didn't work.
 
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You spelled "experience" wrong.



I think the ads communicate well to the culture their (they're) aiming for. Today's hipster
I think that's pretty effective. Today's hipster does seem to have an "I'm better than you" complex.

And more interesting, sophisticated, and liberal.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/141473/mac_people_more_open_liberal_than_pc_users.html

And smarter, with higher incomes.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html

http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/35130.html



Now that we're making generalizations . . . ;)
 
Can you think of one? I can't.

Out of the box Exchange Support (probably the most recent distinct advantage). That costs extra on the windows side of things.

While it may not be for everyone, Quick View saves me an immense amount of time. I understand it varies from user to user on how useful a feature it is, but when you have fifty students all turning in assignments through email and all of those assignments have fairly similar names, it makes it far easier to quickly figure out which student it belongs and then change the name without having to load up a word processor.

That's two, but I understand if you only want to accept the first.
 
plaayyyyyyyyyed. Apple needs to innovate in the marketing department and stop going with the same trite routine.

Dude you beat me to the punch...

I like the commercials but they are the same old ones...mostly about Windows' presumed-horrific security. zzzzzzzzzzz Why don't you tell me storing batteries in my fridge makes them last 800% longer.

Realistically, unless you visit porn sites or Warez sites or "free screensaver" sites on a weekly basis, your machine won't be attacked/hacked. Not to mention that you can buy McAfee or Norton antivirus software suites (as well as including firewall and other above-average security measures like ) for $29 that will COVER 3 MACHINES.

I'm sure some here will reply "well, why do you have to pay for that extra stuff?!"...and my response will be "if you can't afford $29 (realistically $10 per machine) for peace of mind, you're a fool". Most cars do NOT come with a security system. Ditto for homes. Security software has been around for over a decade for Windows...if you run Windows on the net 24x7 with absolutely no security measures, that's your own risk (and believe it or not, I do it quite a lot with testing I do at my job and have run security-free systems for months on the net without a single issue)...ditto for having a car without plunking down $100 for a basic security system...I'm sure it will be fine for a long time if you live in the burbs or always have it in your garage or whatever...but eventually, if you leave it outside and exposed 24x7, it will probably be attacked...AND LIKELY WHEN YOU ARE AT A SKETCHY SECTION OF TOWN.

If Windows security was so bad, why hasn't Mac or Linux or something else taken off like wildfire? If Windows' security is so bad, why hasn't MS been hit by a class-action suit? The reality is that unless you are a bozo and out surfing for nasty and pirated stuff, you're almost never going to be victim of spyware or viruses. I've owned Macs and pcs since 1991 (before that it was MS DOS and Apple //e with ProDos)...pre-internet-boom I got a few viruses on both Apple and PC platforms. Since 1995, mainly using Windows, I've had 2 spyware hits and 1 virus. That's 14 years folks...and out of all 3 time, NEVER did I need to format my drive and cry my eyes out like Fanboys claim. Yes, there are times when that happens...but far far from the norm. And ya know what?...even though I'm a techie and should have known better, all 3 were MY FAULT by purposely clicking on web link or running a .exe that I trusted...and ALL 3 came from the internet.

But back to the point...the Apple commercials are getting really old. Sure, they're a tad funny still, but all they do is knock Windows security or ATTEMPT to knock Windows' ease-of-use/efficiency. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz And my reply to that is...Windows has been very mainstream since 1995...90% mainstream I might add. Macs are nice...and maybe they are a BIT easier to use...but most people find the pcs just dandy. 90% of people I should add. When Apple starts to combat price, realistic ease-of-use, and basically reassuring the buyer that the Mac is not a system that .001% of the humans on this planet own, yes, Macs may start to break into some serious marketshare.

I like the Macs...don't get me wrong...and I've been an Apple fan (not a Fanboy) since the late 70s.

Apple did a fantastic job ripping Vista...but these commercials are out of gas. Find something new before John needs a walker.

-Eric
 
Out of the box Exchange Support (probably the most recent distinct advantage). That costs extra on the windows side of things.

While it may not be for everyone, Quick View saves me an immense amount of time. I understand it varies from user to user on how useful a feature it is, but when you have fifty students all turning in assignments through email and all of those assignments have fairly similar names, it makes it far easier to quickly figure out which student it belongs and then change the name without having to load up a word processor.

That's two, but I understand if you only want to accept the first.


Don't forget User Experience. Hard to quantify, hard to pin down exactly. But it's there. And Apple has it in spades. And people are willing to pay quite a bit to get it. In a recession.

It's gestalt.

The question was rather silly, anyway. We've got an entire segment of the market that is willing to pay more for a Mac running OS X, despite knowing that PCs are cheaper. There are obviously some distinct advantages if users are making a conscious choice to pay more (assuming they can afford to - plenty of people want Macs but can't afford the cost of entry), despite the pervasiveneess and low cost of a Windows PC.

Not being able to name ONE distinct advantage doesn't reflect an actual inability to name one distinct advantage. It reflects something else entirely. I'll leave that up to others to figure out what that is.
 
Dude you beat me to the punch...

I like the commercials but they are the same old ones...mostly about Windows' presumed-horrific security. zzzzzzzzzzz Why don't you tell me storing batteries in my fridge makes them last 800% longer.

Realistically, unless you visit porn sites or Warez sites or "free screensaver" sites on a weekly basis, your machine won't be attacked/hacked. Not to mention that you can buy McAfee or Norton antivirus software suites (as well as including firewall and other above-average security measures like ) for $29 that will COVER 3 MACHINES.

I'm sure some here will reply "well, why do you have to pay for that extra stuff?!"...and my response will be "if you can't afford $29 (realistically $10 per machine) for peace of mind, you're a fool". Most cars do NOT come with a security system. Ditto for homes. Security software has been around for over a decade for Windows...if you run Windows on the net 24x7 with absolutely no security measures, that's your own risk (and believe it or not, I do it quite a lot with testing I do at my job and have run security-free systems for months on the net without a single issue)...ditto for having a car without plunking down $100 for a basic security system...I'm sure it will be fine for a long time if you live in the burbs or always have it in your garage or whatever...but eventually, if you leave it outside and exposed 24x7, it will probably be attacked...AND LIKELY WHEN YOU ARE AT A SKETCHY SECTION OF TOWN.

If Windows security was so bad, why hasn't Mac or Linux or something else taken off like wildfire? If Windows' security is so bad, why hasn't MS been hit by a class-action suit? The reality is that unless you are a bozo and out surfing for nasty and pirated stuff, you're almost never going to be victim of spyware or viruses. I've owned Macs and pcs since 1991 (before that it was MS DOS and Apple //e with ProDos)...pre-internet-boom I got a few viruses on both Apple and PC platforms. Since 1995, mainly using Windows, I've had 2 spyware hits and 1 virus. That's 14 years folks...and out of all 3 time, NEVER did I need to format my drive and cry my eyes out like Fanboys claim. Yes, there are times when that happens...but far far from the norm. And ya know what?...even though I'm a techie and should have known better, all 3 were MY FAULT by purposely clicking on web link or running a .exe that I trusted...and ALL 3 came from the internet.

But back to the point...the Apple commercials are getting really old. Sure, they're a tad funny still, but all they do is knock Windows security or ATTEMPT to knock Windows' ease-of-use/efficiency. And my reply to that is...Windows has been very mainstream since 1995...90% mainstream I might add. Macs are nice...and maybe they are a BIT easier to use...but most people find the pcs just dandy. 90% of people I should add. When Apple starts to combat price, realistic ease-of-use, and basically reassuring the buyer that the Mac is not a system that .001% of the humans on this planet own, yes, Macs may start to break into some serious marketshare.

I like the Macs...don't get me wrong...and I've been an Apple fan (not a Fanboy) since the late 70s.

Apple did a fantastic job ripping Vista...but these commercials are out of gas. Find something new before John needs a walker.

-Eric

Not everyone can afford a Mac. Apple products (Macs, in this case) are the most desirable out there. MS' Laptop Hunters ads implied this (quite plainly), much to MS' chagrin in June and July. But they cost. Which is kind of a barrier to them "taking off" with the $600 Dell crowd.

Apple sells a closed system, with an OS that is deliberately NOT licensed to everyone and their dog, and which is priced as a Premium product, effectively locking out a large portion of the market - not by accident.

Which explains why Apple has a lock on on the $1000+ notebook (from physical stores) share of the market.

The market isn't one big market. It has segments to it. It's a pyramid. You've got bottom-end, mid-level, and Premium, if those terms help you to understand the principle that the market is made up of divisions. Apple functions and makes an absolute killing at the Premium end. It doesn't want to compete at the low end, and shuns a good portion of the mid end as well.

Apple, as a matter of course and by design, will have lower market share overall. As stated by Jobs, Cook et al, they choose to lock themselves out of certain segments of the market. And this strategy has paid off big-time, both for Apple and its market. A Premium product manufacturer doesn't target certain income brackets - there will be consumers that will be absent from the target demographic. Which is perfectly normal.

The consumer that Apple targets approaches tech (and other products) from an entirely different perspective (often not on price), with different expectations (in terms of quality and User Experience) that Apple happens to cater to. Ideally, you WANT to rule the Premium end. It's these customers that build your brand, that make it desirable, and that will pay top dollar for what you provide. This is what has Microsoft acting so defensive: Windows still has overwhelming unit sale market share, but it is now almost entirely at the low end of the market.

You're also advocating the use of a system that has had 100,000+ pieces of malware and viruses written for it, and which continues to be the target of attacks, over a system that in nearly nine years, despite over 50 million users today, has had only two dumb trojans thrown at it. And, even more ludicrous, you then advocate the use of security software, despite the fact that OS X requires none, and remains the absolute safest platform. You're actually advocating that the user not only should prefer a veritable bullseye, but should spend time and money securing it.

Doesn't quite gel with your whole "efficiency/ease of use" claim, which OS X still commands over every other consumer operating system out there.

And simply put, the commercials work. No reason to change them if they're achieving what is intended, namely, record Mac sales in a recession, and a historic increase in market share since 2006, outpacing the rest of industry several years running. We're at the point now, where folks with $1000+ to spend, are lining up to the counter to get a Mac.
 
Not everyone can afford a Mac. Apple products (Macs, in this case) are the most desirable out there. MS' Laptop Hunters ads implied this (quite plainly), much to MS' chagrin in June and July.

Apple sells a closed system, with an OS that is deliberately NOT licensed to everyone and their dog, and which is priced as a Premium product, effectively locking out a large portion of the market - not by accident.

Which explains why Apple has a lock on on the $1000+ notebook (from physical stores) share of the market.

The market isn't one big market. It has segments to it. It's a pyramid. You've got bottom-end, mid-level, and Premium, if those terms help you to understand the principle that the market is made up of divisions. Apple functions and makes an absolute killing at the Premium end. It doesn't want to compete at the low end, and shuns a good portion of the mid end as well.

Apple, as a matter of course and by design, will have lower market share overall. As stated by Jobs, Cook et al, they choose to lock themselves out of certain segments of the market. A Premium product manufacturer doesn't target certain income brackets - there will be consumers that will be absent from the target demographic demographic.

This is what has Microsoft acting so defensive: Windows still has overwhelming unit sale market share, but it is now almost entirely at the low end of the market.


I agree with most of your points and would have agreed if we had this conversation years ago. :)

I think Apple's continued failure (meaing, every 5-10 years Apple goes into a major near-bankruptcy case) is that Apple aims at the folks that can afford very expensive products. Let's face it, Apple's not cheap. And neither were PCs until about 2001. PCs were always CHEAPER than Apple...but only in the past 8+ years have PCs broken the sub $500 market for desktops and sub $700 for laptops. Whatever. I'm a desktop guy. If Apple can convince someone to blow $1200 on a barebones iMac rather than someone spending $600 on a comparable PC and then spending $29 on antivirus software, more power to Apple.

But I still beg to differ on the fact that Apple owns the market on above average or expensive computers. Out of the hundreds (literally) of people that I know across the USA, I believe 2 own Macs of some kind. Now of course, my knowledge and background and group of friends may not equal everyone else's in the world, but the fact remains that I see sooooooooooo many non-Apple machines out there. Do I see Macs? Sure...every blue moon at a coffee shop. I'm not in college so I can't speak from that experience.

I'm straying a bit but I think you hit it right with PCs (remember, it's not just MS...MS simply owns the OS) that they are getting very very cheap in price. But how cheap is cheap? I remember in 1994 when I bought a Pentium PC with a 2x cd drive for like $2200. In the eyes of a parent or a user who wants to do a lot of web stuff (which is OS agnostic), why spend $1000+ on an Apple laptop when you can start at $399 in the PC world? Why start at (I won't count the Mac Mini) $1199 in the Apple world when you can start at $550 in the PC world?

Again, I'm not bashing...Apple likes to make their hefty margins and play in the very-expensive-space like expensive cars or expensive furniture or expensive stereo equipment. Sure...for SOME people, the presumed value is there. For the AVERAGE or ABOVE average Joe, there's no extra value. Perceived value or real value.

As we say in Sales, "perception is reality"

-Eric
 
Which are? Macs and PCs can be pretty much even these days. Neither has a distinct advantage over the other.

That's Apple's job. To explain, in detail, why their systems are better. The cute Justin Long commercials are neither productive, informative or entertaining anymore.

You don't need to show off any more than what has been shown since 2006. And I think RazHyena has the wrong idea about effective marketing, to be honest, but he's entitled to an opinion, even if it's ill-informed.

:eek: Hilarious. Enjoy that Kool-Aid.
 
And how are they "working?"

LOL, where ya been since 2006??

Record quarters, record Mac sales (in a recession), outpacing the rest if the industry several years running, domination of the Premium segment of the market, Macs #1 in customer satisfaction several years running, unprecedented increases in marketshare, the list just goes on and on.

That's right, Apple - masters of marketing, do everyhting else right, except their ads. LOL

Any more dumb questions, troll?
 
LOL, where ya been since 2006??

Record quarters, record Mac sales (in a recession), outpacing the rest if the industry several years running, domination of the Premium segment of the market, Macs #1 in customer satisfaction several years running, unprecedented increases in marketshare, the list just goes on and on.

That's right, Apple - masters of marketing, do everyhting else right, except their ads. LOL

Any more dumb questions, troll?

If you're going to be this obnoxious, then I don't see the point in discussing anything with you.

You may have the last word.
 
That's right, Apple - masters of marketing, do everyhting else right, except their ads. LOL

I thought it was the other way around... Masters of marketing and not in anything else. If they were, there wouldn't be so many people complaining about their Mac and iPod problems and defects, would there?

Or the need for large help forums. :rolleyes:

It would be refreshing to actually read an admittance from you *LTD* on any of the screw-up's Apple have done. Just to know you're still human... ;)
 
I think Apple's continued failure (meaing, every 5-10 years Apple goes into a major near-bankruptcy case) is that Apple aims at the folks that can afford very expensive products. Let's face it, Apple's not cheap. And neither were PCs until about 2001. PCs were always CHEAPER than Apple...but only in the past 8+ years have PCs broken the sub $500 market for desktops and sub $700 for laptops. Whatever. I'm a desktop guy. If Apple can convince someone to blow $1200 on a barebones iMac rather than someone spending $600 on a comparable PC and then spending $29 on antivirus software, more power to Apple.

-Eric

Umm, according to you there should've been 2 times when Apple nearly went OOB. The only time that actually happened is when steve got the boot.
 
Yes. Because that's what MS wanted. To spend hundreds of millions of dollars to help Apple sell more Macs.

Desktop ads? For what? To burn money on? The desktop market is dying. It's all about notebooks, portables, and mobile power now.
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hahahaha. this doesn't even deserve an answer.
 
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