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i like my iphone, but i doubt i'll buy a Mac unless the hardware is a bit more powerful

and Apple needs to stop releasing beta products. with SL they probably set a record of the fastest service pack release after a product release. They probably had the update in development and released SL just for sales.

And same with the iphone. ITunes 9 and 3.1 which should have been the shipping firmware were probably in development when the 3GS shipped and they released it as is to ship it in June

i like my iphone, but i doubt i'll buy a Mac unless the hardware is a bit more powerfulAnd same with the iphone. ITunes 9 and 3.1 which should have been the shipping firmware were probably in development when the 3GS shipped and they released it as is to ship it in June

Hey gotorightway123, have you met alent1234? Are you the same person? Or are you being paid by the same company? ;)
 
Exactly. Entertaining general messages and positive impressions are not enough--people need to understand the DETAILS of why a Mac is better. That's why these ads are so great: they get people to go to Apple Stores and apple.com, which can demonstrate the details as no TV ad ever could. It's almost as though the ads are just one part of a larger marketing strategy which is working well.



Ah--then they're no better than Apple after all :( Frequent and prompt attention to fixes means a bad product, according to some :p

MS will release hotfixes at a few MB each as it fixes issues. there is no way that 10.6.1 was coded and tested after release. Apple had to know about the bugs in the GM version and released it anyway for whatever reason.
 
so why is this front page news? To be, i care less about the adds that Apple does, it doesn't sway my opinion either way, but i am just one person.
 
look at Microsoft's profits 2000 - 2002. along with RIM and a few other companies. Apple is not the only company that grows profits at double digit rates in a recession. if it wasn't for the iphone then apple would be barely breaking even or losing money since the ipod market is saturated

Apple commands a premium price for Macs. People are ponying up a lot of money for Macs in a recession, and last quarter Apple set a new record for Mac sales. Apple's profits are always big news for these reasons. A company that is half the size of MS, but with already more cash on hand. It's ne thing to sell on volume in a recession, but an entirely different feat to keep selling on margin and succeed.
 
I can't believe they haven't been pushing all the little innovations harder.

Magsafe, multitouch (glass so it never gets that worn down feeling), the battery, etc

multitouch is not an apple innovation, might be a part of their product, but not their innovation.
 
Yes. Because that's what MS wanted. To spend hundreds of millions of dollars to help Apple sell more Macs.

Desktop ads? For what? To burn money on? The desktop market is dying. It's all about notebooks, portables, and mobile power now.




Except you'd never know it, judging by Apple's astounding success during a recession.


Pride goeth before a fall.

Apple is coasting. Computers are a low priority behind phones and music players. Embarrassing, worthless media "events", computers and peripherals that don't get updated for ages, no products for many categories, no desktops, no quadcore, lousy base configuration for the single $2,400MacPro 3GB/GT130:rolleyes:, removing firewire & expresscard....blah blah.

I sell Macs and used to have all the ads available to play on the 24" iMac display. PC customers loved them. That was then, this is now. After the problems with Leopard, Nvidia 8800 video cards, lousy wifi on the aluminum macs, cracking macbooks, yellow tinted lcds on the iMirrors, crap time capsules, malfunctioning magsafes I pulled them.
 
multitouch is not an apple innovation, might be a part of their product, but not their innovation.

Might as well be. Apple's the only one that implemented it into something remotely usable and desirable. Makes no real difference who dreamed it up in the first place.
 
Apple commands a premium price for Macs. People are ponying up a lot of money for Macs in a recession, and last quarter Apple set a new record for Mac sales. Apple's profits are always big news for these reasons. A company that is half the size of MS, but with already more cash on hand. It's ne thing to sell on volume in a recession, but an entirely different feat to keep selling on margin and succeed.


Wait, are you saying they are more expensive ? :eek:

Yeah customers must get a warm feeling when a company with $30 billion in the bank starts charging them for a remote.

Makes no real difference who dreamed it up in the first place.

Sound like a MS attitude. I bet it makes a difference to the person or company that invented it.
 
Might as well be. Apple's the only one that implemented it into something remotely usable and desirable. Makes no real difference who dreamed it up in the first place.

didn't they use Microsoft's Surface to organize security for the last SuperBowl?
 
Might as well be. Apple's the only one that implemented it into something remotely usable and desirable. Makes no real difference who dreamed it up in the first place.

again, thats why we have the ability to tell the difference between execution = apple and innovation = not apple on multitouch. "Might as well be" isn't really an argument for the discussion. See earlier post, i could care less what apple puts in their adds, i am more concerned with what they are putting in their hardware and products. Apple didn't innovate copy and paste, but they advertised it as an innovation to their iphone, doesn't make sense to me, but marketing continues to be apples forte.
 
Pride goeth before a fall.

Apple is coasting. Computers are a low priority behind phones and music players. Embarrassing, worthless media "events", computers and peripherals that don't get updated for ages, no products for many categories, no desktops, no quadcore, lousy base configuration for the single $2,400MacPro 3GB/GT130:rolleyes:, removing firewire & expresscard....blah blah.

I sell Macs and used to have all the ads available to play on the 24" iMac display. PC customers loved them. That was then, this is now. After the problems with Leopard, Nvidia 8800 video cards, lousy wifi on the aluminum macs, cracking macbooks, yellow tinted lcds on the iMirrors, crap time capsules, malfunctioning magsafes I pulled them.

Again, your Macrumors mindset is in no way reflected by the market at large.

Apple just updated their notebook line in June and they remain as popular as ever. Survey after survey, poll after poll, year afer year, they remain among the most coveted tech items in the industry. Period. Not bad for "coasting." But to people like you, all the doom and gloom is right around he corner. But never happens. Why are you and others like you wrong all the time? Why is that? Is it because you're wilfully blind?

"Worthless media events"? One iPod event that didn't push out a camera, and now all Apple's recent media events are worthless? Too funny. I suppose the recent iPhone even and the January event before that were also worthless? Hmmm . . . seems to have worked out just fine for Apple. Record sales all around, continued innovations with the 3GS, best Macbooks ever. We can go on and on, but I'm afraid you'll just drown in a sea of positive Apple news. It just doesn't stop.

The reality is simple, you're in the minority and you can't stand it.
 
Might as well be. Apple's the only one that implemented it into something remotely usable and desirable. Makes no real difference who dreamed it up in the first place.

Thats what i meant. Apple was the first to use the technology in an intuitive and enjoyable experience, to me thats innovation.

They may not be the first, but they are the first to do it right.
 
Sound like a MS attitude. I bet it makes a difference to the person or company that invented it.

None of my concern. And sure as hell isn't the consumer's concern. The real issue is what's the technology in question is doing now, and in what, and implemented by whom.
 
Thats what i meant. Apple was the first to use the technology in an intuitive and enjoyable experience, to me thats innovation.

They may not be the first, but they are the first to do it right.

See MMS, copy and paste, exchange, backups, syncing, calendar limitations, landscape issues on the iphone for its initial release. I get it being a pro mac site, but lets not ignore the glaring omissions and not be dazzled by a mag safe adapter.
 
It sure seems like Apple is going all the way with the whole "the Touch is a gaming device" idea, like it or not.
 
See MMS, copy and paste, exchange, backups, syncing, calendar limitations, landscape issues on the iphone for its initial release. I get it being a pro mac site, but lets not ignore the glaring omissions and not be dazzled by a mag safe adapter.

Your laptop does mms? :confused:

Apple does put innovative features into its products, other limitations does not make them any less innovative.
 
Again, your Macrumors mindset is in no way reflected by the market at large.

Apple just updated their notebook line in June and they remain as popular as ever. Survey after survey, poll after poll, year afer year, they remain among the most coveted tech items in the industry. Period. Not bad for "coasting." But to people like you, all the doom and gloom is right around he corner. But never happens. Why are you and others like you wrong all the time? Why is that? Is it because you're wilfully blind?

"Worthless media events"? One iPod event that didn't push out a camera, and now all Apple's recent media events are worthless? Too funny. I suppose the recent iPhone even and the January event before that were also worthless? Hmmm . . . seems to have worked out just fine for Apple. Record sales all around, continued innovations with the 3GS, best Macbooks ever. We can go on and on, but I'm afraid you'll just drown in a sea of positive Apple news. It just doesn't stop.

The reality is simple, you're in the minority and you can't stand it.

You don't seem to "get it". I don't have to stand anything. I sell this stuff. I'm giving my opinion, which despite your high opinion of yourself, is just as valid as yours. I don't care what you think is in the minority.

"Drown is a sea of positive news"? What are you smoking? My department sells more Macs than the Apple store up the street and my customers don't have to wait two weeks to see a genius.

Didn't know arrogance and smugness led to derangement. But that's the perception many have of some cultists who think Apple is infallible. Get some help. :D
 
Your laptop does mms? :confused:

Apple does put innovative features into its products, other limitations does not make them any less innovative.

See below where i say iphone. The point is, don't clame common place items as innovation (Magsafe is just an adapter, C&P on the phone FINALLY!) when people had other features that they would like to see changes to IE Blu Ray in all products, matte or glossy at same cost, different read better video cards in lineups. bringing to light that you implemented an innovation already available doesn't make me want to buy your product

Originally Posted by xIGmanIx View Post
See MMS, copy and paste, exchange, backups, syncing, calendar limitations, landscape issues on the iphone for its initial release. I get it being a pro mac site, but lets not ignore the glaring omissions and not be dazzled by a mag safe adapter.
 
Yes, magsafe is no innovation :rolleyes:

I've had to replace 3 power jacks on PC's so far because people trip over them, every time I wonder when the hell other companies are going to implement something similar.

You may think other faults outweigh these innovations, but they ARE innovative.
 
there is a company called witricity or something like that that is going to allow devices to charge through the air without any wires. supposedly Dell and HP are testing it now

and i doubt Apple actually designed Magsafe. Almost everything inside their products is designed by someone else and Apple just puts it together into a product.
 
Yes, magsafe is no innovation :rolleyes:

I've had to replace 3 power jacks on PC's so far because people trip over them, every time I wonder when the hell other companies are going to implement something similar.

You may think other faults outweigh these innovations, but they ARE innovative.

I definitely agree magsafe is useful. It's saved my laptop several times, both from younger siblings and myself.
 
Yes, magsafe is no innovation :rolleyes:

I've had to replace 3 power jacks on PC's so far because people trip over them, every time I wonder when the hell other companies are going to implement something similar.

You may think other faults outweigh these innovations, but they ARE innovative.

No problem with magsafes. Can people be so naive ?

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You don't seem to "get it". I don't have to stand anything. I sell this stuff. I'm giving my opinion, which despite your high opinion of yourself, is just as valid as yours. I don't care what you think is in the minority.

"Drown is a sea of positive news"? What are you smoking? My department sells more Macs than the Apple store up the street and my customers don't have to wait two weeks to see a genius.

Didn't know arrogance and smugness led to derangement. But that's the perception many have of some cultists who think Apple is infallible. Get some help. :D

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Even if you're living in some alternate reality where up is down and left is right.

Apple isn't infallibe. But nearly everything they've touched has turned to gold. For a few years now. If you don't think it's right to be overly-fond of Apple, that's one thing. If you want to play at being objective simply to fuflill social expectations on tech sites, that's one thing as well. But to not aknowledge what Apple has achieved, and more recently despite economic circumstances, and continues to achieve, is altogether ludicrous.

We all get that you like to be the resident voice of dissent around here, but there is such a thing as losing touch with reality. It's right up there with Apple "cultists."
 
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Even if you're living in some alternate reality where up is down and left is right.

Apple isn't infallibe. But nearly everything they've touched has turned to gold. For a few years now. If you don't think it's right to be overly-fond of Apple, that's one thing. If you want to play at being objective simply to fuflill social expectations on tech sites, that's one thing as well. But to not aknowledge what Apple has achieved, and more recently despite economic circumstances, and continues to achieve, is altogether ludicrous.

We all get that you like to be the resident voice of dissent around here, but there is such a thing as losing touch with reality. It's right up there with Apple "cultists."


I'm not the resident anything. I didn't check my brain at the counter and put on a reality distortion field when I started selling Macs three years ago and start claiming that Apple is infallible.

Apple's success has been part of my success. But I refuse to be a head in the sand fanboi who thinks Apple can do no wrong.

On non computer forums I evangelize Apples at every opportunity.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505098

You're barking up the wrong tree labeling me as "a voice of dissent". That dog won't hunt. Put your troll card away or wave it at somebody else. If you want, the last word is yours.
 
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