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Apple Releases New iMacs with Upgraded ATI Radeon HD Graphics Cards

Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:


  • Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
  • OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
  • Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
  • Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
  • Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
  • Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
  • Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
  • OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
  • Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
  • Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
  • Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
  • Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
  • NCIX Assembly: $50.00
  • Subtotal: $1,610.52
  • + DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
  • TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).
 
mosx said:
Wow. $1699 for Core i3. $1,999 for Core i5. Apple must really hate their customers if they charge prices like that.

In the PC world, that $1199 system would be Core i7, with blu-ray, a larger display, and a significantly more powerful GPU.
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Actually Apple loves their customers, Steve said so, plus another reason they love their customers is because they can charge what they want and they know their loving customers will forfeit that crap in the PC world for an iMac. :p
 
portishead said:
Of course there is no guarantee either way, but if you speak to a manager and ask nicely, your chances are higher. Your chances are even higher if you are upgrading to something. I'm not sure what happens if you are exchanging for a new model. Anyway, it won't hurt to ask, and IMO, I think it's still worth a restocking fee, but you'll have to decide that yourself.
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Amen. If you're friendly and you can connect with the employee working there, it goes a long way. My girlfriend has had loads of luck getting the genius bar dudes to accommodate some questionable repair requests. Though (I hate to say it) being a pretty girl probably helps.
 
Tango Charlie said:
Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:


  • Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
  • OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
  • Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
  • Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
  • Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
  • Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
  • Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
  • OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
  • Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
  • Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
  • Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
  • Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
  • NCIX Assembly: $50.00
  • Subtotal: $1,610.52
  • + DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
  • TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).
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Thank you for, once more, showing the obvious to our fellow Winblows-loving trolls...not that they're gonna accept any of it, of course...and to know that there's still someone willing to buy a hobbyist PC...:rolleyes:
 
Tango Charlie said:
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Your GFX card in the PC isn't the same as the one in the iMac. Plus, it's a removable one with HDMI out.

Also, a lot of the parts you spec'd aren't bottom of the barrel. There's a lot of SLI ready components, when the iMac will never be able to support that.

I think you can spec a PC a lot cheaper than that.

Plus, it's a tower. If something breaks you can just take it out and replace it. :D
 
BRLawyer said:
The current Apple lineup is simply blowing everything out of the water.

It always amazes me to see how many whiners infest this forum...my C2D 24" iMac is MORE than capable to execute any job I throw at it, including playing the latest games...EVERYONE I have helped convert to Apple (more than 10 people now) can't even think about coming back to an inferior world of beige boxes and Windows systems.

Blu-Ray - a stupid, borndead technology;
USB 3.0 - too early;
xMac - GO buy a Mac Mini.

And then when Apple releases updated iMacs (which are, HANDS DOWN, the BEST DESKTOPS on Earth), PC-loving children start bitching that the company used the ATi 5750 instead of the ATi 5799.7 or whatever ridiculous revision they come up with to give them 1 more fps in Portal...

GPU pissing contests do not apply here; get a grip, people!
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Cool story bro ...

I for one would like to be able to do the following on a brand new and extraordinarily expensive computer:

*watch/backup my bluray movies
*Play modern games at native resolution (playing Farmtown, WOW, and Halflife 2 don't count)
*Use industry standard peripherals - Yes, there are few SATA/USB 3 peripherals now, but its only just been introduced. In the coming months we will be seeing more. I may have no use for USB 3 now, but I will in the FUTURE.
*A huge high-res IPS display is great, but if you don't have the hardware to back it up then there isn't really much point
*I could build a PC with similar specs as the high-end iMac for about $600. At that point I would add in a decent 28" 1080p monitor for $250. No it wouldn't look as nice and wouldn't have OSX or an IPS display, but for over $1000 less, who cares? I certainly would rather pocket the cash.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Apple simply doesn't offer a good value/performance proposition right now. I'd love to replace my aging Mac collection, but there isn't much point when Apple keeps pushing out overpriced, outdated hardware.

Steve's hubris is really going to lead to tragedy for Apple one day.
 
Hmmm..

I want to know if the HD 5750 is a HD 5750 mobility, a renamed HD 5850 mobility, or the desktop HD 5750. Wish apple would be a little more clear here, the whole HD 2600 pro/xt thing was confusing enough.
 
Tango Charlie said:
Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:


  • Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
  • OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
  • Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
  • Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
  • Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
  • Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
  • Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
  • OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
  • Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
  • Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
  • Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
  • Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
  • NCIX Assembly: $50.00
  • Subtotal: $1,610.52
  • + DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
  • TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).
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LMAO are those prices in dollars? You kid, right? With some shopping around you can find most of those things for at least 1/3 off the prices you have listed. The processor alone I can buy for $170 less than you have listed there.
 
BRLawyer said:
So prove me wrong instead of spreading ad personam BS.
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Sure.

BRLawyer said:
The current Apple lineup is simply blowing everything out of the water.

It always amazes me to see how many whiners infest this forum...my C2D 24" iMac is MORE than capable to execute any job I throw at it, including playing the latest games...EVERYONE I have helped convert to Apple (more than 10 people now) can't even think about coming back to an inferior world of beige boxes and Windows systems.
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The iMac isn't capable of every gaming scenario one could imagine. There's plenty of people out there who want great game performance but still want the OSX operating system. The 5750 is quite simply unable to drive some of the more demanding titles at the native resolution at playable frame rates. Your remark about beige boxes is irrelevant, as when anyone strives to make a performance/luxury PC on par with Macs, they use quality materials.

Blu-Ray - a stupid, borndead technology;
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Ill-informed. Blu-ray adoption is much higher than DVD adoption was at comparable points in their lifetimes. You don't see Apple shying away from DVD, do you? Moreover, all physical media formats are bound to expire at some point.
USB 3.0 - too early;
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By whose metric? Your own? Who are you to tell someone they don't need USB 3.0's bandwidth?

xMac - GO buy a Mac Mini.
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Not sure what this is about.

And then when Apple releases updated iMacs (which are, HANDS DOWN, the BEST DESKTOPS on Earth), PC-loving children start bitching that the company used the ATi 5750 instead of the ATi 5799.7 or whatever ridiculous revision they come up with to give them 1 more fps in Portal...

GPU pissing contests do not apply here; get a grip, people!
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iMacs are all-in-ones, not desktops. A desktop implies a separate display and more ability to tinker with hardware. Save the RAM, there's nothing you can do to your iMac that won't void the warranty. See above argument about games. A graphics card can be the difference between making a modern game (or games in the future) unplayable or playable. Your exaggeration about the fps gap is a misinformed attempt at humor.
 
See answers below:

nickarmadillo said:
Cool story bro ...

I for one would like to be able to do the following on a brand new and extraordinarily expensive computer:

*watch/backup my bluray movies Let me repeat, Blu-Ray is BORNDEAD and a useless value proposition for desktop computers
*Play modern games at native resolution (playing Farmtown, WOW, and Halflife 2 don't count) You can
*Use industry standard peripherals - Yes, there are few SATA/USB 3 peripherals now, but its only just been introduced. In the coming months we will be seeing more. I may have no use for USB 3 now, but I will in the FUTURE. The future is not NOW, it's LATER. Apple will not repeat past mistakes and adopt technologies that may or may not have widespread adoption. If USB 3 is really that great, it will be incorporated later - for now, there is ZERO need for USB 3.
*A huge high-res IPS display is great, but if you don't have the hardware to back it up then there isn't really much point The screens Apple uses are the BEST in the market, and the hardware than capable to handle them; no FUD necessary.
*I could build a PC with similar specs as the high-end iMac for about $600. At that point I would add in a decent 28" 1080p monitor for $250. No it wouldn't look as nice and wouldn't have OSX or an IPS display, but for over $1000 less, who cares? I certainly would rather pocket the cash. First of all, NO you can't (unless quality doesn't matter, of course). Second, OS X plus all included software are absolutely essential value differentiators. But if you insist, just buy your homemade PC and be happy; Apple does not cater to this kind of public.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Apple simply doesn't offer a good value/performance proposition right now. I'd love to replace my aging Mac collection, but there isn't much point when Apple keeps pushing out overpriced, outdated hardware.

Steve's hubris is really going to lead to tragedy for Apple one day.
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JordanNZ said:
Did you miss the part about him being in Canada?....
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Yes ... as in Canadian Dollars ...

The joke was that these prices couldn't possibly be in Canadian Dollars because the numbers were so high (sarcastically implying that they might be in some high-denomination currency like the yuan).

My humor obviously fails to amuse you.
 
Tango Charlie said:
Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:


  • Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
  • OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
  • Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
  • Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
  • Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
  • Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
  • Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
  • OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
  • Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
  • Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
  • Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
  • Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
  • NCIX Assembly: $50.00
  • Subtotal: $1,610.52
  • + DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
  • TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).
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I'd bump that 600W PSU to 700W+ if I were you.
 
JordanNZ said:
Hmmm..

I want to know if the HD 5750 is a HD 5750 mobility, a renamed HD 5850 mobility, or the desktop HD 5750. Wish apple would be a little more clear here, the whole HD 2600 pro/xt thing was confusing enough.
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Isn't that the big question here…

Going by the VRAM type it could even be a Mobility HD 5870 or 5770.

Same questions for the other GPUs too…
 
nickarmadillo said:
LMAO are those prices in dollars? You kid, right? With some shopping around you can find most of those things for at least 1/3 off the prices you have listed. The processor alone I can buy for $170 less than you have listed there.
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Dude - I know. If you read the last line I wrote (i know, TLDR, sorry), I'd love to see a more carefully considered, cheaper shopping list. Preferably in Canadian dollars.

I made that list by quickly finding the cheapest, loosely matching components on the NCIX site. I didn't really double-check it carefully. Take that for what it is.

The bottom line is this: for ME, this is my realistic shopping price. I estimate by spending more time and being more careful, MAYBE I can shave $200 from the price. Maybe you can do better! Great! I can not. C'est la vie.

Additionally, let's not forget the value of our time: I spent hours upon hours troubleshooting the last PC I built. (one bad stick of RAM.) I don't know how much your time is worth, but I will gladly pay extra to have that time back and eliminate that stress.
 
BRLawyer said:
See answers below:
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I see ...

So you obviously have the cash to buy a brand new computer every time a new standard comes out and don't expect computer companies to include emerging technologies that in all likelihood will be adopted by the vast majority of users.

Also, do you never play games or watch movies?

I can understand the allure of the iMac if you absolutely LOVE the OS and the design aesthetic. That part I understand, as I really like those things as well.

However, when I can get a computer that offers MORE features for $1000 less, I'm switching.

The funny thing is, all of the avid Mac users I used to know have recently switched to PCs and all of the PC people I knew have now bought macs. Its a crazy world.
 
nickarmadillo said:
Yes ... as in Canadian Dollars ...

The joke was that these prices couldn't possibly be in Canadian Dollars because the numbers were so high (sarcastically implying that they might be in some high-denomination currency like the yuan).

My humor obviously fails to amuse you.
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Ha ha, sarcasm translates poorly on the internet. :p
 
Seriously, I think some of you people could argue until the end of eternity, what is the point?

If you believe you can build a PC for so much cheaper..JUST &*§!ing DO IT! If you think the iMac is better overall value..BUY ONE! Who cares. What is the obsession with trying to convert people over to your own beliefs all the time?

Coming to Macrumors is always such a negative experience..although I do find it useful at times like these because I am in the market for a new machine.

..and if Steve Jobs hates Apple fanboys, I really wouldn't blame him at all.
 
Tango Charlie said:
Dude - I know. If you read the last line I wrote (i know, TLDR, sorry), I'd love to see a more carefully considered, cheaper shopping list. Preferably in Canadian dollars.

I made that list by quickly finding the cheapest, loosely matching components on the NCIX site. I didn't really double-check it carefully. Take that for what it is.

The bottom line is this: for ME, this is my realistic shopping price. I estimate by spending more time and being more careful, MAYBE I can shave $200 from the price. Maybe you can do better! Great! I can not. C'est la vie.

Additionally, let's not forget the value of our time: I spent hours upon hours troubleshooting the last PC I built. (one bad stick of RAM.) I don't know how much your time is worth, but I will gladly pay extra to have that time back and eliminate that stress.
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You would have shaved about a grand off the price if you were really shopping.
 
nickarmadillo said:
Perhaps Apple's spec sheets/prices were an attempt at sarcasm? If so, they played us good and they can release the real numbers now. *hoping*
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Ha ha, I guess, but it seems like as long as Apple has been making products, people have been complaining about the price. Yes, they cost more. And unfortunately, that extra cost is "justified" by nebulous factors like sexy industrial design and the compatibility and serviceability of having standard components and builds. Plus some other junk.

Different strokes for different folks. I know that on the internet you're supposed to love something or hate something, but these iMacs seem pretty reasonable. Not too expensive, but not exactly a steal. They seem reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary, evidently.
 
I kind of wished I'd waited a month before buying my i7 27" but you can wait forever...

Anyway, is the faster memory and processor (and graphics), up from 2.8 to 2.9 going to make much difference in the real world in say Lightroom or Final Cut?
 
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