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Ha ha, I guess, but it seems like as long as Apple has been making products, people have been complaining about the price. Yes, they cost more. And unfortunately, that extra cost is "justified" by nebulous factors like sexy industrial design and the compatibility and serviceability of having standard components and builds. Plus some other junk.

Different strokes for different folks. I know that on the internet you're supposed to love something or hate something, but these iMacs seem pretty reasonable. Not too expensive, but not exactly a steal. They seem reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary, evidently.

The things is, I could actually justify it until recently. Not all of the time, obviously (the first iteration of the Powermac G4 and the last several revisions of the Powerbook G4 were particularly painful), but I generally knew that I was getting a decent computer and paying a reasonable premium for the extras that are included.

However, the price gap between Macs and comparably specced PCs has been growing over the last couple years and it has reached a point where I just won't buy anymore. I have always adored Apple computers and would honestly love to give them my money, but OSX and the design/materials are not worth the premium they are charging and their computers simply do not offer many of the features that I need or would like to use.
 
Why on earth do the gamer/DIY people come into every thread about iMacs to complain about them? They will NEVER be like a home-built mid-sized tower scrapped together on daily deals. Ever.

There's nothing wrong with wishing apple would cater to gamers more. They're seeing the benefits of it in iOS. It's one of the biggest hold-backs for PC users.
 
Why on earth do the gamer/DIY people come into every thread about iMacs to complain about them? They will NEVER be like a home-built mid-sized tower scrapped together on daily deals. Ever.

It isn't just gamers ... its people who want to watch HD movies (with surround sound), use future connection standards, do anything CPU or GPU intensive, pay a fair price, etc
 
Reality check.

There are a lot of places other than US selling the Dell U2711 (27" IPS) at a much lower price. Hong Kong Dell online store is selling one of those at around US $675 .
Lets make a same spec computer but with a much higher spec video card:

Intel i5 760 2.8Ghz US $205
Corsair XMS3 CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 DDR3 1600 4G Kit (2Gx2) US $105
WD Caviar Black 1TB 1002FAEX SATA3/64MB HDD US $82
HIS HD5870 I-Cooler V PCI-E 1GB DDR5 US $385
ASUS P7P55-LX P55,DDR3 M/B US $125
ANTEC NE620C NeoEco 620W 80Plus power supply US $76
Webcam US $50
Wifi 802.11N wireless card US $40
Case US $80
Whatever crap you want to throw at it US $100

Total : US $1923

For almost the same price as a iMac 27" $1999, you have one of the best video card on earth + 27" IPS LCD.

Note: I own a 27" iMac. I bought it just because I have spare money to buy a Mac OS computer. If I want to build a gaming machine, definitely not the iMac. Period.

The iMac LED backlit 27in screen cannot be compared to the superior Dell :),

Unless the Apple's new 27in stand alone LED backlit monitor is an improvement, then you're doing what most people do with Apple products...paying a lot for styling, and to some degree, better quality construction/reliability...Dell's usually kinda suck at that :p

Dell UltraSharp U2711: Quality has a Price
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2922

The U2711 has an extremely high resolution 2560x1440 panel - similar to the panel that's used in the Apple 27" iMac. Notice that we highlighted the word similar? That's because the two panels aren't identical; the glass might be the same, but there are definitely differences.

For one, Apple uses LED backlighting whereas the U2711 sticks with CCFL technology. But isn't CCFL worse? That depends on what you're after; the iMac 27 offers a 72% color gamut while the U2711 has a 102% color gamut (based on the CIE 1931 standard). Using RGB LEDs, it would be possible to get a similarly high color gamut, but our experience with RGB LEDs to date is that they cost more and consume more power than regular LEDs, so we can understand Dell's interest in sticking with the "older" technology. (We've only seen RGB LEDs in a few laptops so far, and as one example it's a $175 upgrade on the Dell Studio XPS 16 compared to a regular white LED display.)


Besides having a higher color gamut and different backlighting technology, Dell uses 12-bit internal color processing with the ability to output 10-bit color. That means you can get 1024 levels of grey instead of just 256, reducing the amount of banding present in certain situations. 24-bit vs. 30-bit color also means you get a color palette of 1.07 billion instead of 16.7 million, though we were unable confirm this in testing. First, you need to have a graphics card with the ability to output 30-bit color, which typically means you need a workstation class GPU. You also need some sort of "special sauce" - specifically, you need an application that knows about deep color support. We connected the U2711 to a Dell Precision M6500 notebook (Quadro FX 3800M GPU) via DisplayPort. NVIDIA tells us that the GPU is aware of the deep color capability of the display at that point, but it requires an appropriate application before 30-bit color output would start. Despite our inability to test this feature, considering the cost of other 30-bit displays (often they are priced upwards of $1800), the U2711 becomes a very interesting option for users that need (and know how to use) "deep color" support.
 
21" GPU question

Finally. I've been waiting to get a 21.5" i5, since the 27" just doesn't fit my life. I have a question about the GPU, though.

I want to get the better (relatively) 5670 GPU. I am a casual gamer and don't need high settings to be happy. I don't want to get pushed out of the new game market before my new iMac gets to be a few years old, though. I just have 2 questions.

1. Since AMD's website doesn't list a mobility 5670, is it fair to assume this is the desktop 5670?

2. The manufacturer lists this as a GDDR5 card, but it looks like Apple is only using GDDR3. I assume that is to save money. Will that make a significant dent in it's capabilities? I also assume that memory could never be upgraded.

Thanks.
 
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i5-680 (4M L3 cache, 2 Cores,4 Threads, 3.60 GHz 32nm) $294
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i3-550 (4M L3 cache, 2 Cores,4 Threads, 3.20 GHz 32nm) $138
i3-540 (4M L3 cache, 2 Cores,4 Threads, 3.06 GHz 32nm) $117

So Apple's making a lot more profit on the higher line 21.5in iMac compared to the base model...nothing new, but still kind of a penalty.

i5 is $177 more than base (and well know Apple's getting better than 1k quality pricing breaks), 1TB HDD is a whopping $20 more than a 500GB drive, the 5670 is another $40 more than a 4670. Man that top-tier i5 shouldn't even cost what the $1499 i3 upgrade costs!

4670 is ~70 at retail, 5570 ~$110, ~5670 $125 & ~5750 $135.

But if you look at the old Oct '09 pricing scheme it's basically identical type of model/performance level (profit wise).

Except that the old 3.06 iMac had the integrated GPU so Apple likely gets that for free, making the new upgraded... 'practically' the same, base model 3.06 iMac a real "bargain" for the base model buyers, considering the ATI HD 4670 is a vastly superior GPU...albeit still an 'entry' level, anemic GPU :p ... all the rest underwhelm, for the profit Apple makes on those.

What software all all the majority of users using that makes a quad core that much faster (able to utilize those additional 2 cores over the dual...for significant performance advantages)? I would think the majority of software titles out there now (maybe this will change the future) don't see a big difference, if any, btw a quad or dual iMac.
 
Ok I'll go again.

What iMac configuration should I go for tasks such as gaming, music production, etc?

21", 27"? Quad?
 
I'm not particularly impressed with the GTX460, its price point sucks in NZ.

Are they still capable of cooking eggs?

460s run in the 70s at load and a SLI configuration wipes the floor with the 480 for the same price (90% improvement in SLI. That's excellent scaling). What is their USD equivalent in NZ?
 
Damn. After the Mini went up the roof, now the iMac is following.
In Europe these were the prices for the 4 basic models (all i euros)
* 1.099 * 1.349 * 1.499 * 1.799
Now:
* 1.199 * 1.499 * 1.699 * 1.999

THAT is pretty bad news: 200 euros extras for the basic 27-models?? Apple is definitely letting us down. Full economic crisis out there and Apple is making more profits than ever, and yet, they increase all prices.

Guys, our favorite company is now exclusively driven by greed. In case there was still a doubt about that.

Here I have 1.229 1.529 1.729 2.029 (euros) -

1529 euros (1984 dollars)for an i3 and a $90 graphics card with 512MB.

Dont get it either as it can not be justified by the exchange rate. Apples lineup is pure extortion. For the price of a Macmini I can get a PC with an i7 chip.

I love my Imac but when it dies on me I dont know if I can justify a new one (unfortunately)
 
I'm not particularly impressed with the GTX460, its price point sucks in NZ.

Are they still capable of cooking eggs?

Those 460s are amazing for what they are(newer core than the 470/480); 10-15% slower than a 5850 and quite a bit cheaper. Here in Canada you can get two 1GB cards and SLI them (which run quite a lot faster than a single 480) for cheaper than you get one GTX480.
 
I want to know what models these graphics cards REALLY are...

They're nVidia GeForce MX cards. ;)


That's their price here. I don't see the issue.

There's not an issue yet. NZ Stores tend to stock only the factory overclocked versions eventually which artificially drives up the prices. Early adopters here usually get better deals than people that wait, and when you guys get a retail price drop NZ doesn't see any of the effects until a completely new generation is introduced.
 
Let's all get excited about a 4.6% faster CPU. Hey how about that RAM that's finally running at the speed it should be? Apple and their insistence on using SO-DIMMs in desktop computers :rolleyes:

Of course things could be worse. We could be Mac Pro customers who waited 16 months for 10% speed increases and video cards worth more than $49. Apple should be ashamed of themselves for shipping a $2500 "workstation" with only 3GB of RAM.

Sadly this isn't the first new Macintosh day that I've been more excited about a $69 peripheral than any of the computers.
 
Consoles have the most vibrant gaming scene. (Lots of games that aren't on PCs)



I'm not particularly impressed with the GTX460, its price point sucks in NZ.

Are they still capable of cooking eggs?

The 460s are actually a different core than the other Fermis and run significantly cooler and use less power. They are roughly as efficient as the 5000 series ATIs and offer better value than the comparable 5830.

However, they are the only fermi card that I would consider at this point. The rest run too hot/loud.
 
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