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OS X graphic drivers kinda sorta suck compared to their Windows counterparts.

Why is this? What's holding back the full power of the Mac GPUs?


Good god Apple, I realize that USB3 is still a little raw for you, but you couldn't see fit to just drill a hole in the case for an eSATA port?

Agreed. I hate to say it but I really have to say that I'm still gonna wait for the ports to be upgraded before I dive into a new iMac. My current one is still under Apple Care so I consider it too new to upgrade again. :p
 
So just about a month ago today I got the base line iMac.

I brought it in and they replaced the screen due to it being yellow. The replaced screen was worse then the original.
So they gave me an all new machine.
The new one is slightly better bit still yello bottom right corner.

Anyone know if this new machine will fix that?
Is it worth trying to swap the one I have for it?
I'm right around the 30 day mark so not sure if they will work with mr or not???

Guess I'm calling AppleCare today.
 
Let's see... I can get the 2.8GHz 27" iMac with an i5 and the 5750, or I can configure a low-end 27" iMac with a 3.6GHz i5 and the 5750 for only $50 more. 800MHz for $50... I'll take that.

Also really interested to see how the drive bays work. I'm hoping for two 3.5" bays, as I'd love to do a RAID 0 setup.

EDIT: It appears the 3.6GHz i5 is only dual-core. Never mind then.
 
Why is this? What's holding back the full power of the Mac GPUs?

Apple care about the drivers only is so far as they do the bare minimum needed to drive the eye-candy in OSX. Beyond that, not so much.
 
Also really interested to see how the drive bays work. I'm hoping for two 3.5" bays, as I'd love to do a RAID 0 setup.

I might be missing something, but from the specs I don't think you're getting a second drive bay. I think there's a drive bay specifically for SSD, and a drive bay specifically for a physical media unit. You can populate one or both of the bays, but they will be discrete.
 
I still propose that a lot of gamers care more about the look than the gameplay. And that they can say they have a computer that is super awesome and gets the mad graphics.

If you don't like what Apple is giving you, build a Hackintosh.

That's not fair dude. If Apple went back to Core Solos for example you wouldn't be saying that.

I just personally believe that Apple has a habit of dumping on iMac owners in the graphics department. If I'm going to drop a lot of money on the top of the line iMac (which even more frustratingly has a great CPU) I expect my graphics card to at least be reasonably 'future proof'. Not grabbed out of the bargain bin and stuck in with the hope that nobody notices.

The really annoying thing is I'll probably skip buying one now and hope for the next refresh. But I know Apple is just going to pull the same crap next time :(
 
I'm happy with the upgrades, but no HDMI port? no Sata 6 support? All new motherboards that were released some months back have Sata 6BG + USB 3.0 support..
 
my 9 month old iMac not outdated

:D not gamer, so not much worried about graphic card updates...

low end and very high end looks good others meh :p

Magic trackpad should be FREE with iMacs

no Quad cores in 27" iMac $1699 :eek:
 
I just ordered the 27" $1699 computer with the i5 processor. :cool:

I'm happy with the upgrades, but no HDMI port? no Sata 6 support? All new motherboards that were released some months back have Sata 6BG + USB 3.0 support..

Do you honestly believe they would put HDMI on their imac? That would be like saying their screen isn't good enough therefore the rest of the computer isn't good enough. Besides their 27" supports higher then 1080p, something HDMI doesn't. Or technically it does, but after 1080p, the quality starts to degrade because HDMI was not designed for resolutions over that.

Also there are not enough USB 3.0 devices out right now and won't be for some time now. The vast majority of computer users out there don't have USB 3.0 yet or even know it exists. Plus Intel is coming out with an even faster new type of port early 2011, and Apple is working on a new firewire port.
 
That's not fair dude. If Apple went back to Core Solos for example you wouldn't be saying that.

I just personally believe that Apple has a habit of dumping on iMac owners in the graphics department. If I'm going to drop a lot of money on the top of the line iMac (which even more frustratingly has a great CPU) I expect my graphics card to at least be reasonably 'future proof'. Not grabbed out of the bargain bin and stuck in with the hope that nobody notices.

The really annoying thing is I'll probably skip buying one now and hope for the next refresh. But I know Apple is just going to pull the same crap next time :(

+1 I have to agree, but I'm still happy that they have dropped the integrated graphics, even tho its still using a HD 4000 series card, at least the entry level..
 
Its too bad Apple doesn't make low end towers. The fact that Im forced to buy a $600+ monitor along with my computer was the main driving force for me to buy a PC. That and the lacklustre upgrade and GPU options.
 
I just personally believe that Apple has a habit of dumping on iMac owners in the graphics department. If I'm going to drop a lot of money on the top of the line iMac (which even more frustratingly has a great CPU) I expect my graphics card to at least be reasonably 'future proof'. Not grabbed out of the bargain bin and stuck in with the hope that nobody notices.

Apple don't care about video performance in general. The iMac is a slightly special case though. Laptop grade CPUs are doing a good job of keeping pace with their desktop counterparts. Video cards are significantly more unbalanced. There's not a lot of room for controlling heat in the iMac, and frankly, for a big vertical laptop, they run surprisingly cool. My MacBook emits far more noise and heat than my wife's iMac. I think that's a design choice Apple aren't willing to compromise.
 
The HDD + SSD option for the 27" iMac caught me by surprise. Also unexpected was that the Quad-Core Intel Core i5 doesn't support HyperThreading... the BTO i7 does, but still... seems like a very odd decision when all other models support HT. Perhaps the reason is because of the particular combination of CPUs Apple used from Intel...
 
the iPhone 4 is still the main product featured on the splash page of apple.com. Sigh.

I can't believe the iMac picture on the splash page is just as big as the iOS 4.0.1 update logo. Now we have clear evidence that the Macintosh is doomed. :(
 

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That's not fair dude. If Apple went back to Core Solos for example you wouldn't be saying that.

I just personally believe that Apple has a habit of dumping on iMac owners in the graphics department. If I'm going to drop a lot of money on the top of the line iMac (which even more frustratingly has a great CPU) I expect my graphics card to at least be reasonably 'future proof'. Not grabbed out of the bargain bin and stuck in with the hope that nobody notices.

The really annoying thing is I'll probably skip buying one now and hope for the next refresh. But I know Apple is just going to pull the same crap next time :(

How would you design the imac with a top of the line graphics card? I would really like to know how you think you are better then Apples engineers and know what the imac can/should take.

Look at the design of the imac more closely and tell me that thing could handle a top of the line graphics chip. It would melt within minutes.

I can't believe the iMac picture on the splash page is just as big as the iOS 4.0.1 update logo. Now we have clear evidence that the Macintosh is doomed. :(

:rolleyes:

The new imac update is really great. Whiners gonna whine about everything. 90% of the people on this forum have never owned a mac anyways and just come here to cry because they have nothing better to do with their time. It's really pathetic. The imac in relation to other all-in-one desktop computers is a great deal.
 
How would you design the imac with a top of the line graphics card? I would really like to know how you think you are better then Apples engineers and know what the imac can/should take.

Look at the design of the imac more closely and tell me that thing could handle a top of the line graphics chip. It would melt within minutes.

I know and accept that heat is an issue, I never said top of the line though. I just want a respectable graphics card. Especially when paired with that huge resolution.
 
Damn!! Regent Street don't have the Magic TrackPads in yet. First tech product in years that I actually really want, and I have to bloody wait!! :mad:


It's OK really. Not that desperate ;)
 
So, will the $1499 iMac play Starcraft 2 at 1080p on the max detail settings?

No. It takes a surprising amount of power to max out SC2 especially for 3s and 4s online. However, the game looks amazing even on medium settings, and you can probably run medium/high for the campaign with no lag. And honestly, if you're looking at the pretty graphics in an online match, you've already lost hehe ;)
 
Yes.....but if i'm dropping $1600 dollars on a computer, thats released the day a game is released, I expect to be able to play said game close to it's highest settings.

I mean, the top of the line iMac only ships with a 5750 which is arguably worse then then previous 4850 (aside from the increase in memory in the new iMac).

This $2000 dollar computer wouldn't even be able to play SC 2 with respectable settings at native res.

The 21.5" should have had the 5750 and the 27 inch should have had at least the 5850, not really any excuses.

Hehe, that's right.
But you can buy a new Mac Pro with 2 x Radeon 5770 (Crossfire) or one 5870.

That is, why I am rather a PC player. I get more for my money on the "other side". Also Windows 7 Home Premium is an solid OS.


Mac Pro is also a gaming computer... Apple thinks.
So if you are a Mac gamer, you must have money in your pocket.
 
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