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Apple Releases New iMacs

inkswamp said:
That would be hilarious if I didn't think you were serious. I've been using Macs for 15+ years and the level of fanaticism and self-delusion amongst my chosen platform's user base never fails to amaze.

If the current product range is fine for 90% of the people as you assert, why aren't 90% of the people using Macs?

It's true that Apple's market share has increased, but clearly the consumer-level offerings are weak and today's half-hearted iMac refresh alongside the continued neglect of the Mini doesn't do a whole helluva lot to fix that. My apologies, however, if this simple but logical response to your outta-yer-ass theory about 90% of the market spoils the party. :rolleyes:
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Their consumer level systems above the fatally flawed mini aren't that bad, they just need to dump that experiment for a cheaper iMac. Prosumer options could still use a tad bit a work though. The new high end 24" isn't bad though.
 
Where are you guys getting information on the discontinued 24"ers?

Edit: Nevermind, I see that it's refurb's being discussed. Are there any brand new old models for sale at a reduced price?
 
shervieux said:
Most computer companies do not look at games, because:

1. Most people who play games heavily are teenagers and the fad of playing games wears off after a while. I had a relative who had a brand new xbox. He played it for a month and then sold it, as he got board with it.
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Just FYI, according to the latest statistics, the average age of people who say they play video games on a regular basis is 33. Also, 31% of gamers are females 18 or older, 20% are males 17 or younger.
 
Will the new iMacs run cooler?

Do the new processors run cooler than the previous ones? But then again, I think the heat issue is more than just the processor. I can just about fry an egg on my 24" 2.4 iMac. I can't use it if the room gets above 80 degrees F, and that's with the internal fans cranked up to over double thier stock speed.
 
csimmons said:
Just FYI, according to the latest statistics, the average age of people who say they play video games on a regular basis is 33. Also, 31% of gamers are females 18 or older, 20% are males 17 or younger.
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That's because most everyone born after '75 or so has grown up with them.
 
ehurtley said:
Sorry, didn't read all 11 pages, but though I'd chime in with my opinion.

Intel currently lists zero 1066 MHz front side bus chips with 6 MB of L2 cache, desktop or mobile. The 6 MB of L2 cache means it is a new 45 nm part, but the only 1066 MHz front side bus 45 nm part Intel has is a desktop chip with 3 MB L2 cache at 2.53 GHz. Obviously not in use on these new iMacs.

It has been widely known that Intel will be releasing a new mobile chipset in May or June that will bump the front side bus to 1066 MHz.

So that leaves us with two options: Either Apple is under-clocking desktop chips, or they have gotten the new laptop chipset and processors early.

While I really hope the iMac has moved to desktop chips, I have a feeling Apple just got the new laptop parts early. (Maybe they are getting what "should" have been engineering sample chips that run too hot to release as an actual laptop chip, but Intel is letting Apple have them since they know they'll go into a desktop computer.)
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Well it's most certainly Montevina since no desktop chipset accepts SODIMMs.

I guess Intel let them get away with it since they aren't taking advantage of the full Montevina platform. Besides the wireless solution, I believe Montevina supports up to DDR3 1067 SODIMMs. Apple stuck with DDR2 800 SODIMMs which is reasonable, since I doubt there is much supply of DDR3 SODIMMs yet.
 
csimmons said:
Just FYI, according to the latest statistics, the average age of people who say they play video games on a regular basis is 33. Also, 31% of gamers are females 18 or older, 20% are males 17 or younger.
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Yes, but the respondents thought they were being asked about their avatars' age and sex. :D
 
gfoster610 said:
The base model is crap right out of the gate. Once again another who can't hear anyone say bad things about Apple. Get a clue. If you've ever done any computer repair work, then you'd know how much the parts cost and what kind of crap they are putting into their machines these days.
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Sure about that? Gateway's One base model is $1349 and Apple's iMac base model is $1399 (configured). The Gateway has a 1.5 Ghz Core 2 and the iMac has a 2.4Ghz. Apple's baseline isn't too bad especially before configuration it's only $1199.
 

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shervieux said:
Most computer companies do not look at games, because:

1. Most people who play games heavily are teenagers and the fad of playing games wears off after a while. I had a relative who had a brand new xbox. He played it for a month and then sold it, as he got board with it.

2. Most games are made by 3rd party software developers, not a hardware manufactorer, so it is not the hardware companies' fault if games are not available for a certain line of computers.

3. Game manufactorers are looking for quick cash (and are usually hobbyist writing them (unless undersupported by a large company), so they will target the most widely used platform. Games come and go, real applications for work are here to stay - so if a certain spec is good for companies who spend a lot of money (tens of thousands of dollars) - then that is where the target is. Not a pimply-faced teenager spending $100 to $200 here or there on the latest game; only to play it for a couple of months.

if you want to see games for the Mac, then get writing some that make use of the technology available. Personally, I played alot of games when I was younger. Now my computer is used for work and serious things, so that in that respect - Apple is right on the money with what most people need.

If you are looking for cash, there are many books out there that show how to write games using various programming languages. So, all of you looking for games on the mack: get writing some, but up a website to sell them, then use the cash to get yourself a MacPro with the hardware you want and stop whining.

Now there is an idea - those who have the time and creativity could probably make a lot of cash selling games for the Mac. I thought about doing this myself, but my job and church ministry takes up a lot of my time.
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Yea, I guess that's why the gaming industry did a reported 18 billion dollars in sales last year. A lot of people must be getting bored playing games. :rolleyes:

<--- 35 years old been playing computer games since pong. I hope I don't get bored of them anytime soon or I may have to grow up and be uptight.

I'd also love to know where you came up with the most game manufacturers are just looking for quick cash and are hobbyists. I'm betting it wasn't from Pluto but rather Uranus.
 
mpr131 said:
Fiancees must think the same way....now just if I can talk the photographer down in price, a new iMac will be mine!!!! ;)
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From experience - have a relative or a friend with a good camera take the pictures. Photographers charge lots of money for their expertise in posing.

A lot of photographers will mark the photo with a copyright, so that you have to go through them (legally) for copies. If you had a friend or relative with a good camera (who can take half-way decent pictures), then you can edit the rest and either upload and order prints on line (or print them yourself if you have a good printer). Will save you lots of money, that you can use for your iMac funds.
 
commander.data said:
Well it's most certainly Montevina since no desktop chipset accepts SODIMMs.

I guess Intel let them get away with it since they aren't taking advantage of the full Montevina platform. Besides the wireless solution, I believe Montevina supports up to DDR3 1067 SODIMMs. Apple stuck with DDR2 800 SODIMMs which is reasonable, since I doubt there is much supply of DDR3 SODIMMs yet.
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I think DDR3 will be introduced with Nehalem.
 
So what's the Montevina or penrynn verdict?

I asked on that apple store chat thing and this is the response I got:

"We do not brand the Intel chips but we use the latest technology available for our new Macs."

Wow...way to not give away anything
 
So is this just an appetizer and will the main dish be served in summer, or how far apart are we looking at for the next imac update?
 
BenRoethig said:
I'm hoping more an complete overhaul than an update. Too many flaws to sell as is.
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And that's exactly what the Mini needs.

It would be nice to see Apple slide the current Minis down ~$200 each (so they're priced more in line to what they're actually worth) and then introduce one or two "high end" Minis. I could see perhaps bigger form-factor Minis (hell, even twice the size, they'd still qualify as "mini") with some options to keep the tinkering crowd happy and give those of us who won't touch the iMac's dreadful display a headless option that doesn't feel like a complete waste of money. I would gladly pay for a $799-999 Mini if it matched the iMac specs. That would give me a few hundred bucks left over to buy a decent display.
 
DHUK said:
I'll take the 3.06GHz model. Thanks :)
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These are simply THE BEST, MOST WELL BUILT, MOST WELL INTEGRATED AND MOST POWERFUL DESKTOPS ON EARTH! Thank you AGAIN Apple!

There is NO WAY someone should whine now...SUPREME processors, SUPREME GPUs, SUPREME OS..!

I will take the top one with the NVidia GPU too, thanks a lot!

GO APPLE GO!
 
commander.data said:
Well it's most certainly Montevina since no desktop chipset accepts SODIMMs.

I guess Intel let them get away with it since they aren't taking advantage of the full Montevina platform. Besides the wireless solution, I believe Montevina supports up to DDR3 1067 SODIMMs. Apple stuck with DDR2 800 SODIMMs which is reasonable, since I doubt there is much supply of DDR3 SODIMMs yet.
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So if i managed to get a 1066 DDR3 SO-DIMMS would they work in the current iMacs?
 
imac123 said:
Can you customize your iMac if you go to an Apple store, or does that have to be done by ordering it online?
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Depending on the Apple store. Most sell what they have in stock. Some have some supply of the most popular parts on hand and my be able to customize it there (I have seen some genius bars do upgrades and repairs on the spot), if you are looking for something they do not have or cannot do, they can always order it for you.
 
pianomac said:
So what's the Montevina or penrynn verdict?

I asked on that apple store chat thing and this is the response I got:

"We do not brand the Intel chips but we use the latest technology available for our new Macs."

Wow...way to not give away anything
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Same thing actually. Penryn is the CPU. the iMac uses the 45nm update of Penryn. Montevina is the codename for the m45 Chipset.
 
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