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Apple Releases New iPods

russed said:
sorry to say this but you are wrong there. USB 2.0 is theoretically faster as in 440 kbps but that is only in very short bursts whereas firewire can sustain 400kbps for longer stretches hence firewire external hard drives are far better than usb 2.0 ones. fact.
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Whilst you are correct that Firewire is a lot better than USB2, not least because Firewire is way more efficient and also does a lot of the work itself (USB2 offloads it to the processor), it doesn't mean that external firewire hard drives are better than USB2 ones, and this is sadly down to the most popular combo Firewire/USB2 controller chips being CRAP at Firewire. To get decent performance you have to use the Oxford Firewire-IDE controller, but this is a lot more expensive.

How fast can the hard drive in the iPod write? I'm sure that both USB2 and Firewire are capable of saturating it.
 
tommywatto said:
i only have usb 1.1 in my imac. these ipods are useless.
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Waaaa! My 486 DX/33 only has a serial port (my dot-matrix printer takes up the parallel port)!! These ipods are useless!!
 
lasuther said:
Of course I take my iBook with me on vacation. I'm just saying that its great Apple isn't including adapters and cables standard anymore because I have them already and don't want to pay for stuff I already have. I'd rather get a price drop. I see this move catering to the Apple faithful, not moving away from them. If someone needs an adapter or cable, buy one. Don't make me pay for it every time I buy a new Apple product.

lasuther
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I agree it's great that you don't have to pay for something you already have. However, if Apple wants to stay #1, they have to sell tons of iPods to first time customers who don't have chargers and might be tempted to buy a competing product that includes a charger. Secondly, I think I'm not the only one going on vacation without taking my PB along.
 
I was not impressed

I have been holding out to buy my first iPod for months, and I must say I was expecting much more. But then again, it is Apple we are talking about!

After more than a year after it's introduction, the only significant improvement Apple makes to the iPod mini is a (much) longer battery life and a bigger HD. It's better than nothing, but I feel slightly dissapointed overall.
 
kerb said:
WAKE UP FORUMS!

uploading photos from a camera straight to iPod!!!!
assumingly viewable on screen!

PHOTOGRAPHERS DREAM!!!
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And don't forget to mention that if they're integrating it into the iPod then it will probably be as easy to organize, transfer, veiw and store as iTunes is for music!!!! I have the iGriffin photo transfer device whichi is o.k. and I expect something straight from Apple to be MUCH better. :D
 
The price drop on the 60GB iPod Photo is nice, but lowering the capacity of the "low" end iPod Photo down to 30 GB seems a little cheap on Apples part. Sure they dropped the price, but why take away 10 GB in the process :(
 
Ok, so let me get this straight...

iPod photo 30 GB
- USB 2.0 cable
- AC adapter
$349

iPod photo 40 GB ("Special Deals" section in Apple Store)
- USB 2.0 AND Firewire cable
- AC adapter
- iPod photo dock
- carrying case
- iPod photo AV cables
- 10 extra gigs of memory
$379

I sprung for the 40 GB. $30 bucks extra for all of those accessories is a STEAL, especially when they would have upped the price of the 30 GB well over $400.
 
jouster said:
No, he means a powerpoint, not an "electrical outlet." Amazingly, not every English speaking nation uses the same terminology.
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And to think, for all these years MS has been selling software to find a place to plug in your AC devices, and everyone's been using it for presentations. Live and learn.
 
Zaty said:
I agree it's great that you don't have to pay for something you already have. However, if Apple wants to stay #1, they have to sell tons of iPods to first customers who don't have chargers and might be tempted to buy competing product that includes a charger. Secondly, I think I'm not the only one going on vacation without taking my PB along.
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This is exactly my point, when abroad or if you just don't have a Laptop then there is no chance to charge the ipod mini when abroad...unless of course you pay £20 for one. Which again adds to the price and it becomes less appealing.
Apple have a real knack of just cutting down on accessories and decreasing prices rather than actually passing on the savings through tech becoming cheaper and economies of scale. Although i gotta say the massive plus and is the 18 hour battery that makes it very tempting - because yes i already have a ac adapter and a Firewire cables.
 
It is a nice refresh of the line. Some lower pricepoints that make people wonder about the 1GB shuffle when the 4gb mini is $50 more and then the $50 diff for the 6GB mini to the 20GB ipod. Interesting to see the 30GB ipod photo - perhaps the 60's are not selling that good.
It is a nice refresh/reprice - not a re-design so keep that in mind - I am sure we would all like to see this approach on the PM and iMac's :)
 
RqThrottle said:
I have been holding out to buy my first iPod for months, and I must say I was expecting much more. But then again, it is Apple we are talking about!

After more than a year after it's introduction, the only significant improvement Apple makes to the iPod mini is a (much) longer battery life and a bigger HD. It's better than nothing, but I feel slightly dissapointed overall.
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What the..??

Its a music player. So they upped the ability for the unit to play more songs, longer. HD size and battery life are the two biggest factors that make up an iPod, and Apple just increased them both.

How is this not significant? You say you were expecting 'much more'. Ok, exactly what were you expecting? I'd sure like to know how you can improve on a mini beyond upping the HD and battery life.

But then again after reading your message, you don't own an iPod, so I guess you don't really 'get it'. The iPod doesn't really need any more features or bloating to make it a better music player other than what Apple added today. Use one and you will see. Get off the fence already.
 
The iPod Photo can now use a iPod Camera Connector for the iPod photo and import their photos into the iPod.

The iPod mini now starts in Aus for $299

Anyway, here is what I predicted-and what we got:
60GB iPod Photo ($449)
40gb iPod Photo ($349)-both prices correct, 30GB model introduced.
A 80GB model later in the year

New features:
-Win- many camera's memory cards appear as mass storage devices (in Explorer), iPhoto photo should do too-similar to how the iPod shuffle is miunted when used as a flash drive. Sync with other photo organisers (eg. Jasc PSP Photo Album, ACDSee, Microsoft Digital Image Suite's DigitaL Image Suite)-instead of just Adobe products supported-not as I planned, but iPod Camera Connector is a easier way to sync and.
No BT support-Correct
iPod :
20GB and 40GB iPod with color screens-30/60GB for iPod Photo-and now only 20GB standard iPod model .

SE editions- U2, Michael Jackson, John Mayer (he has appeared at Apple keynotes, perhaps preloded with some of his music). HP:Gwen Safani, Not likely Nickelodeon (not likely at all, but would be cool),
My SE edition idea would be a Invader ZIM iPod
20GB, in green/ silver back
(well, there are DVD's, action figures, etc and there is a iPod mini that is green and love the show)-No, no new special editions were released

Available in the current style, different colors (green, brushed metal look?)
iPod Mini 5/6GB current price and color screens-new 6GB model , lower price for some models, Up to 18 hours battery life-higher than some of the other iPods and no more 'gold' model and no color screens ;
iPod shuffle as is
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Zaty said:
I agree it's great that you don't have to pay for something you already have. However, if Apple wants to stay #1, they have to sell tons of iPods to first customers who don't have chargers and might be tempted to buy competing product that includes a charger. Secondly, I think I'm not the only one going on vacation without taking my PB along.
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I see what you are saying. But I think price is more important that included accessaries. For example, I bought my first iPod and have never used the charger. I would have prefered the price be $20 cheaper. If people need a charger, they can buy is seperately. iPods are actually become price competitive. Check out Bestbuy.com . Apple makes the cheapest 512MB and 1GB player. The iPod Mini is at the same price point as some 1Gig flash drive players. I thought an iPod photo at $350 would be impossible. I like that Apple is leaving it up to the user to decide what accessaries they need. At these current prices, people can afford accessaries.

lasuther
 
iGary said:
Pissed?

Here ya go

http://www.petitiononline.com/firewire/petition.html

Just set it up.
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I signed it! It doesn't make much sense to leave Mac users, of all people out in the cold.

This isn't about a $50 price drop. I hope nobody honestly believes it costs more than $5 for Apple to manufacture that cable. It's all about margins (as usual!)

I also agree that there's no excuse for the lack of an AC charger for the mini. Potential switchers could be a little put off to find it's not in the box, when they've just paid $200. It seems cheap on Apple's part.
 
maybe it was a misunderstanding, but it says the firewire cord is now optional (costs extra). So I guess usb 2.0 has taken over the ipods!!! Thats so lame, I am so bummed, I got a 40 Gb ipod photo for $500 and now the 60 gb is only $450! oh well, guess I just have to look forward to that one becoming outdated. No new features with the photo though, so that makes me feel better. so self centered (i know) ;)
 
Questions

So Apple is phasing out FireWire? Weird.

Also, I don't like the 'bolder' colors. I was really hoping for NEW colors, but whatever.

If FireWire isn't included, how do the AC adapters work for the new ipods? Do they plug in by USB adapter?
 
schatten said:
SNIP
USB 2.0 is also actually faster than FireWire.
SNIP
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Theoretically, and it terms of peak performance in optimal conditions, this is true, but in terms of normal performance, Firewire has faster transfer speeds (Just like how the PS2 can push 75 million polys in perfect conditions (tech demos), yet the Gamecube has the highest poly games).
 
Never having had an iPod, will a standard 6-4 firewire cable work in the iPod photo, say? i.e. the same style as i use for my Video Firewire connection?

Pardon the dumb question!
 
£25.00 for an iPod mini dock ... bloody hell.

Sure, it's nice that you can connect it to a stereo system if you remember to take it with you, but ... £25! £15 when purchased with an iPod mini I might consider it!

I mean, it is a bit of plastic with 3 ports and a connector!

Never mind that it'll take a week to ship.
 
tried to see on the iPod mini gallery, but the link takes me to the iPod Photo gallery... Hmmn!

CAn't tell from there what the Firwire connector is.
 
Zaty said:
Okay, but what do you do when you go vacation? Take you iBook with you just for charging the iPod? I always charge my mini using the AC adapter because I don't want to keep my PB awake over night just for charging.
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a sleeping pb while plugged into AC itself will still put power through to firewire. a sleeping pb on batteries wont.


now heres an idea for apple. get rid of the ac plug for powerbooks and charge them via firewire using the same powerbrick as the ipods! ive always wondered why they didnt do that. i always wondered if it would work but i dont have the balls to try it on my pb.
 
arnette said:
So Apple is phasing out FireWire? Weird.

Also, I don't like the 'bolder' colors. I was really hoping for NEW colors, but whatever.

If FireWire isn't included, how do the AC adapters work for the new ipods? Do they plug in by USB adapter?
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Yes, the new AC adapters are the units used with the shuffles, which have a USB port instead of the Firewire port
 
Didn't my current 15gb poddie cost as much as the twice-bigger 30gb -- $349?

Maybe when they bring out a 90-100gb model for that price I can get a new one.
 
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