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That's what terrifies me.

That's why I now use a Surface Pro 4 and a 4K BenQ monitor.

Windows :(
I agree with some other poster, the iPP should run iOS Pro, not a regular iOS.
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I dont get the hate. I like the ad. The ipad pro is a very capable device.

The hate comes from the fact that they're trying to sell the iPP as a laptop replacement. I use my iPP everyday, and it isn't a replacement.
 
Tim just sees the word "Pro" as a way to shake you down for an extra couple of hundred bucks; thus he's happy to add "Pro" to pretty much anything.
Keep your eyes open for "Pro" watchbands in the near future.
It's just a name.
That's what terrifies me.

That's why I now use a Surface Pro 4 and a 4K BenQ monitor.
Why don't you just buy a desktop, iits way cheaper.
 
Are they really touting touch as a stand out feature? @_@

My thought exactly -- it's like they are living in a bubble.

If they were going to create a commercial for the sole purpose of giving ammunition to Apple bashers, it would look pretty much exactly like this one.
 
That and the Pencil, really.
And the keyboard, and the fact many apps are much more rich of an experience. Better speakers that are useable in many situations. A much nicer screen with True tone and wide color gamut.

Honestly if you guys have to ask these sorts of questions, move on. You don't get it or don't like iPads, fine.
 
Didn't Apple say the A9X was a desktop class processor? If that is the case why won't they give us a desktop class OS on the iPad Pro?

Because it's still a touch computer. If you want a computer that relies heavily on the mouse/keyboard metaphor? They still make Macs.


MR sure has a case of "me me me" these days. Since they can't use it as their only computer? A lot of people here act like nobody can. Since they can't do their job with it? A lot of people act like nobody can. How sad.
 
While I'm sure Apple would love for people to embrace the "iPad can do it all" idea, I've actually seen a reverse trend, at least in my family. We used to buy/upgrade the iPads regularly, and kept trying to use it as a replacement device. Now we have a couple of iPad Mini 2s bought on sale that sit mostly unused, and everyone is back to using actual computers when the phone is not enough.

Unless Apple comes up with some must-have feature, software or idea for the iPad line, the tablets are dead in my family, and looking at the huge discounts you can buy new iPads at (Best Buy - $200 off for Pro 9.7" with student discount!) and the death of Android tablets outside of Samsung, I don't think we are the only ones. Blame it on the big screen phones, I certainly have all I need for casual use with my 6S Plus.
 
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And the keyboard, and the fact many apps are much more rich of an experience. Better speakers that are useable in many situations. A much nicer screen with True tone and wide color gamut.

Honestly if you guys have to ask these sorts of questions, move on. You don't get it or don't like iPads, fine.

Honestly, if you cannot sense the sarcasm or see the pink elephant in the room, that we *do* like iPads but we don't like them as forced Mac replacements, then it's not us who need to move on.
 
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And the keyboard, and the fact many apps are much more rich of an experience. Better speakers that are useable in many situations. A much nicer screen with True tone and wide color gamut.

Honestly if you guys have to ask these sorts of questions, move on. You don't get it or don't like iPads, fine.

No, That's what it HAS!.
What can you do on an iPAD using iOS that you can't do on an iPhone. Is it just the multitask splitScreen..
If you don't understand the questions maybe don't give these replies.
 
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The biggest argument against the IPP is the very ad Apple created to showcase it.

1) What does Apple really do on the IPP? No app is showcased; no business work is accomplished. We merely see it function. A functional computer != a productive computer.

2) If the IPP is such a great computer, why does Apple (need to) advertise it with a keyboard? The fact that Apple advertises the IPP with a keyboard speaks volumes about the limitations of the IPP. Simply put, the keyboard is required for optimal use. Try using business productivity apps without a keyboard (e.g., MS Office).

3) Given that Apple implies in its ad that the keyboard is required for optimal use, then why not focus on laptop design? even a new 2-in-1 design? or a swivel / foldable design?

Bottom line: the IPP still needs a keyboard to get the most productivity out of it.


Apple created a solution in search of a problem when they made the iPad cpus so powerful. Right around the time of the iPad Air 2 it became reasonable that an iPad could potentially do everything a "regular" computer could do. But iOS and the apps built for it are no where close to take advantage.

A "Pro" iPad has no killer app. Perhaps Art and photo editing with an Apple Pencil is its killer app...but they don't seem to be marketing it for that kind of professional. They just call it Pro and magically expect it to be so. But I don't see the compelling software that needs power and needs to be on a touch first os. Either it's just consumption software or it's a limited version of the full featured software.

They need to find a compelling use case of the iPad in a professional environment and develop software to really take advantage of it's strengths. They should have done some real heavy R&D work into compelling use cases for iPad apps, or bought a developer that is already doing compelling work.

An iPad Pro smart keyboard looks like someone failed at their job. It looks neither convenient, ergonomic or efficient. And by using a keyboard like that it loses most of the advantages of a tablet. You can't set the screen in multiple positions. The stand looks silly, and the way it folds is just a gangly mess... a folding laptop is a much more 'portable' design.
 
No, That's what it HAS!.
What can you do on an iPAD using iOS that you can't do on an iPhone. Is it just the multitask splitScreen..
If you don't understand the questions maybe don't give these replies.
There are apps built for the iPad which is not on the iPhone.
 
Oh boy, this is perfect timing with their EXHAUSTING LACK of care for their Mac line-up.

I mean, I don't think they'll discontinue the Mac anytime soon, but it sends a nice message to anyone hoping they still care about you when you need more than a 12.9" "all Apple-certified" experience.

This ad shouldn't have come NOW, but after some major Mac refreshes.

Glassed Silver:mac

My vision of the future is a notebook with Thunderbolt III that can plug with a single wire into a desktop dock that has all the breakout ports I could want plus a high powered graphics card for video and gaming (i.e. one notebook that could replace a desktop as well). THAT is what I want, not some POS iPad with a POS operating system. They've been slowing down the mAcOs (or whatever the the frack it's called now) and making it buggier and not following GUI conventions for a few years now. I thought Metal might be a step in the right direction (except for the fact it's not a "standard" and therefore will get little support on a platform that already gets precious little gaming support as it is; I haven't seen squat for games released the last year for the Mac, let alone ones supporting Metal and Mac gaming had really improved over the past few years in general, but Apple REFUSES to update OpenGL to the final pre-Vulkan version, putting game developers in a bad place for conversions for existing games (since Vulkan is still pre-release). Frankly, I'm still angry that Spotlight doesn't even have a busy indicator anymore (how the heck are you supposed to know it's doing anything until a result comes up, which often takes MINUTES. It just looks like it's doing NOTHING.

OS X used to be the Gold Standard for what an OS could be (minus their penchant for not keeping OpenGL up-to-date). Now it's like the best thing it has going for it is that it's not NSA branded Windows 10 Spyware (yet). That's saying more about what it's NOT than what it is, though and that's sad.

Given how iPad sales are DOWN Down down, I can't really fathom why Apple continues to push the iPad rather than get back to what made Apple great (i.e. REAL computers). They already have the darn iphone (an invention that I believe in combination with social media has had dire consequences to society which I see as stupider, more ego-centric and has allowed things like terrorism to flourish easier than ever. Maybe Steve Jobs really was the "anti-Christ" in the sense he's pushed society towards its own destruction. Throw in self-driving cars and we will have the "stupid peasant" society of the "future" that can't wipe its own collective butt anymore (the Jetsons except everyone will be poor and under control of the Mega-Corporations.

In the USA, Trump is the perfect symbol of a ME ME ME society that spends all its time watching social media for someone talking about them to the exclusion of literally everything else. Attention is all that matters to individuals who can't pay attention to anyone else for more than a minute at a time themselves. It really is GAME OVER for society.
 
To run their own ARM CPU's and leave Intel and get us another platform switch, yay! ;-)

What would be the difference between a Mac and an iPad with a keyboard?
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Because they're spending a lot of time and effort dumbing down macOS and apps to play nice with iOS. Why not just go all the way.

Because then there would be no difference between a MacBook and a Ipad + keyboard. They'd kill the mac first.
 
Yeah, it makes no sense unless you open the word computer up to include anything that manipulates data. I think an important addition would be the ability to store and process information using an arbitrarily defined set of instructions.

Yeah...I also have a real CS degree from a real school, and I have no idea what you're trying to say in your definition.

Things like "manipulate data" are just hand-waving, wishy-washy terms that don't have any concrete meaning. It's like trying to define art as "I know it when I see it.". It's just a non-definition. But computer science is a formal discipline with precise definitions for everything.

A baseball game is a model of a computer. It is a state machine with the positions of the players on base, the count, and the score. An event, the pitch, causes the machine to move into a new state based on a set of rules.
 
And how is going to work related to traveling?

How is MY work related to travelling?

Because I travel all over the world for work?

Can we simply agree that I bought the best device for my purposes that fulfilled all of my requirements. Tablet, Laptop, full desktop.. Done. With plenty of battery power.

One device to rule them all. Not two devices to do one task.
 
What would be the difference between a Mac and an iPad with a keyboard?
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Because then there would be no difference between a MacBook and a Ipad + keyboard. They'd kill the mac first.

Exactly right. This is where Timmy is going.
 
Given how iPad sales are DOWN Down down, I can't really fathom why Apple continues to push the iPad rather than get back to what made Apple great (i.e. REAL computers). They already have the darn iphone (an invention that I believe in combination with social media has had dire consequences to society which I see as stupider, more ego-centric and has allowed things like terrorism to flourish easier than ever. Maybe Steve Jobs really was the "anti-Christ" in the sense he's pushed society towards its own destruction. Throw in self-driving cars and we will have the "stupid peasant" society of the "future" that can't wipe its own collective butt anymore (the Jetsons except everyone will be poor and under control of the Mega-Corporations.
In the USA, Trump is the perfect symbol of a ME ME ME society that spends all its time watching social media for someone talking about them to the exclusion of literally everything else. Attention is all that matters to individuals who can't pay attention to anyone else for more than a minute at a time themselves. It really is GAME OVER for society.

My gosh, how populist.
Before the iPhone we had WWI, WWII which caused quite a few more problems than iOS devices.
 
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