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Out of curiosity, does any have issues with Adobe CC (PP & PS) in 10.11.2 that may see common amongst many users? I am still on 10.10.5 and want my notes upgraded lol.
 
People really need to do their homework before seeing ridiculous things like this. The only things that changed in all those years is the amount of money you paid for the upgrade and when these upgrades were released. Nothing has changed on the quality side or the amount of new stuff.

It's always great when the subset of OS X features you rely on works fine, but I'll never understand why people extrapolate that out across the entire operating system and then get defensive and declare that nothing has changed or the quality is just as good as it's always been. That's a particularly annoying kind of fanboy tunnel-vision.

For those of us waiting for fixes for things we rely on, for things that affect our productivity, for things that make our continued defense of Apple's presence in the workplace an ongoing embarrassment, you couldn't be any more off-base. The crippled SMB fiasco alone (which has been limping along and willfully ignored by Apple through the last 3 versions of OS X) is enough to prove it but that's hardly the only feature that is broken.
 
It's always great when the subset of OS X features you rely on works fine, but I'll never understand why people extrapolate that out across the entire operating system and then get defensive and declare that nothing has changed or the quality is just as good as it's always been. That's a particularly annoying kind of fanboy tunnel-vision.
That logic is reversible:

It's always unfortunate when a subset of OS X features you rely on doesn't work fine or doesn't work at all, but I'll never understand why people extrapolate that out across the entire operating system and then get defensive and declare that everything has changed in a big way and quality is going downhill fast. That's a particularly annoying kind of trolling tunnel-vision.

The problem is people only looking at their own set of features and then extrapolating it to not only the entire OS but to the entire brand and every other user out there. Or in other words: just because it works for them or it doesn't work for them means that the entire world has the exact same experience and that the software is good/bad. When you look at it objectively by monitoring the issues other people (meaning: not you) are reporting on various forums plus the various reviews you come to a very different conclusion. The world isn't how you view it which seems to be forgotten by a lot of people at MacRumors.

Reread and rethink what you've put here because you are doing exactly that what you are accusing the other of. You are denying anyone having issues with past OS X versions (and there have been many, especially the topics about Exposé in the Leopard and Snow Leopard era had hundreds of replies, far more than any issue with Mavericks, Yosemite or El Capitan). What you are saying here is that OS X has never had any (major) issues up until Yosemite/El Capitan. The forums here, discussions.apple.com and the existence of Snow Leopard tell you otherwise. Snow Leopard existed for only 1 reason: fixing the mess that is called Leopard. El Capitan is nothing but history repeating and it will happen again. It is part of humanity, it is part of software development and Apple isn't some magical, mythical being that will be unaffected by it. Scientific research and studies regarding software quality in general have also shown this. You are now also implying, with merely some gut feeling, that these researches do not exist or are incorrect.

Btw, I wasn't talking about quality being good, those are your own words; I was merely saying that quality hasn't changed over the years which is a very different thing. That's a much bigger issue and we are seeing it throughout the industry. It's a rather complex thing many researchers are trying to figure out. They want to know why quality hasn't changed and what we need to do to get a higher quality software development. Why is software still so buggy? What good do all our improvement development methodologies and tooling do?
 
Out of curiosity, does any have issues with Adobe CC (PP & PS) in 10.11.2 that may see common amongst many users? I am still on 10.10.5 and want my notes upgraded lol.

I upgraded last week along with the Creative Cloud updates and I haven't experienced any significant problems. The only minor inconvenience is that Photoshop, Illustrator and Acrobat don't remember the size of their Open file dialog window. Indesign does... I don't use any other CC Apps so can't comment on them.
 
Anyone having a reoccurring issue where safari will not load webpages after the computer has been sleeping? I have to quit safari and relaunch to get it to properly work. This has been an issue since 10.11.
 
Have you tried a clean install and restore from Time Capsule?
Did this over the weekend, worked like a charm. Thank you so much!
No more drive ejects, and beforehand wound up buying a new drive anyways to clone my old backup too for safety and gained an extra 4TB external in the process.
 
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Check Activity Monitor to see if Safari is using lots of CPU when you're on certain pages. If you are, then it's likely content on those pages that's causing those issues? Or low disk space? Do you have HDD or SSD for a drive?

Safari is super snappy for me on 2013 MacBook Air.

Is it the HTML5 over Flash? No free lunch.
 
Anybody having issues with external display after 10.11.2 update?

Using a 2015 MBP and connected it to a ASUS 4K display using mini dp to dp wire.

Before the update, once the display turns off by itself, by pressing any keys it will turn it back on.

But since the update you need to restart to get it to work.
 
i always perform a clean install when Apple releases a major OS update.

Doesn't that take a really long time? How do you transfer Apps over? That's my biggest concern about doing a clean install. I've never done one before so there's probably lots of junk files roaming around my mac.
 
Doesn't that take a really long time? How do you transfer Apps over? That's my biggest concern about doing a clean install. I've never done one before so there's probably lots of junk files roaming around my mac.

I think clean install is overrated.

If your Mac has problems that are related to OS sure you could try it but in most cases it isn't worth the time.

In a nutshell:

1. Install OS.
2. Create new user and copy data (documents, music, etc.) from old user.
3. Install all software. You can copy most of them from previous OS but only if the software don't use installer software. If they use installers you can't copy software because it is unlikely to work, use original intallers.

Don't use migration assistant if you have problems related to software because using it will likely result to same problems!

Its hard to say how long the whole process takes because it depends on the number of software and data but it will likely be several hours...
 
I think clean install is overrated.

In my case it fixed all of the issues that I was having on my iMac regarding ejecting drives, failed time machine backups, and my monitors would not come on after sleep sometimes. These issues all were fixed by simply wiping the drive and doing the clean install. That process was certainly much easier to try first than to attempt hunt down anything on the system or in the system files that could be corrupted/conflicting to fix, much like poking at it with a pin, then to take a whack at the problems with a bat and see if that remedies it.
 
I think clean install is overrated.

If your Mac has problems that are related to OS sure you could try it but in most cases it isn't worth the time.

In a nutshell:

1. Install OS.
2. Create new user and copy data (documents, music, etc.) from old user.
3. Install all software. You can copy most of them from previous OS but only if the software don't use installer software. If they use installers you can't copy software because it is unlikely to work, use original intallers.

Don't use migration assistant if you have problems related to software because using it will likely result to same problems!

Its hard to say how long the whole process takes because it depends on the number of software and data but it will likely be several hours...

Well I just did a clean install and I gained ~30GB of SSD space. My only issue is how to bring over my old version of Pages (with the purple ink jar icon) and get iTunes 11.4. After doing the clean install I'm on iTunes 11.3 and when it suggests I upgrade it gives me the latest 12.x version which I don't want.
 
In my case it fixed all of the issues that I was having on my iMac regarding ejecting drives, failed time machine backups, and my monitors would not come on after sleep sometimes. These issues all were fixed by simply wiping the drive and doing the clean install. That process was certainly much easier to try first than to attempt hunt down anything on the system or in the system files that could be corrupted/conflicting to fix, much like poking at it with a pin, then to take a whack at the problems with a bat and see if that remedies it.

Nice that it works for you.

My original point still stands, clean install isn't a magical "fix it all" cure. Especially if there is uncertainty regarding reason for the problems.

In my case clean install with El Capitan was a complete waste of time because reason for the problems is bugs in the OS which only Apple can fix.
 
Well I'm glad I have updated yet. Many people seem to be having much issues with it!! When Apple is finally done with the bugs and lags I'll be more than glad to update..
 
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