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Amid all the update frenzy before with everything from apple (but also the microsoft patch tuesday ones on the same day) I failed to mention that this particular one is quite interesting.

Usually this sort of thing is released to developers only. That was pretty sad. Even sadder was the fact that even for developers it was only once in a blue moon type of thing.

But I have always said to apple (since lion days) that they should release it for every point version - and to everyone.

It is the most elegant way to update the recovery partition.

Another somewhat more brutal way is to run the full installer - even if your system has already been updated via a delta or combo update. Those who have chosen to revert core storage logical volumes imposed onto us by full installers have found out the hard way that this brute force approach is not very good because it converts it back to core storage. So this has given rise to a "Lion Hack". 10.7.2 had a recovery update applicable to that version of OS X to update the recovery partition - but miraculously (via a proprietary software called dmtest published only ever in that particular version of recovery update) can be used in conjunction with a newer full installer and an installation script to all other versions of os x since then including 10.11.2.

I really hope apple will do a RecoveryHDUpdate.pkg sort of thing for every point version from now on - otherwise people will just revert back to the lion hack.

So my argument to apple is basically that we should be getting away from that lion hack and provide RecoveryHDUpdate.pkg for every point release. If apple want everyone to update their main systems through every point release then they should allow them to update their respective recovery partitions too without having to go through the lion hack or run the full installer.

I take it that this Recovery Update will only work with El Capitan? Could it be used for older versions of OSX like Mavericks or Yosemite?
 
I take it that this Recovery Update will only work with El Capitan? Could it be used for older versions of OSX like Mavericks or Yosemite?

It is meant to update a 10.11 or 10.11.1 recovery partition to a 10.11.2 one.

If you have got mavericks or yosemite you are better off with a 10.9.5 or 10.10.5 version of the recovery partition anyway, not a 10.11.2 one.
 
Mac system freezing, forcing a forced-shutdown?

Both. Sometimes it'll completely freeze, while sometimes it'll automatically restart itself after a brief freeze. And this is with YouTube's HTML5 player. When full screen, sometimes the colors will start changing, video will start skipping, etc. When not in full screen, various parts of the screen will start flashing (even outside of YouTube's player), but will never freeze or seem to slow down. I doubt it's a hardware issue since nothing else does this.
 
It is meant to update a 10.11 or 10.11.1 recovery partition to a 10.11.2 one.

If you have got mavericks or yosemite you are better off with a 10.9.5 or 10.10.5 version of the recovery partition anyway, not a 10.11.2 one.

Understood.

Will it create a Recovery Partition on El Capitan if it doesn't exist already?

And my understanding is that this is the first official downloadable Recovery Partition update from Apple since Lion. And if you want to create a Recovery Partition for Mavericks or Yosemite you either re-install, use a third party tool like http://musings.silvertooth.us/2014/07/recovery-partition-creator-3-8/ , or use the Lion Recovery Update and scripts which use the partition from a downloaded installer.app file.

Am I correct about that?
 
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People really need to do their homework before seeing ridiculous things like this. The only things that changed in all those years is the amount of money you paid for the upgrade and when these upgrades were released. Nothing has changed on the quality side or the amount of new stuff.

IF this is true then why Apple received a lot of critique from many developers and professionals about the quality of OS X and several doubts about the feasibility of yearly updates after Yosemite was released? Sample 1. Sample 2.

Click the wrong thing and guess what happens... People click around a lot and there will be quite a few who will make the right amount of clicks to end up with a hosed partition/volume layout. Having it in the GUI makes things like that way too easy to do. Imagine being able to turn something in a filevault volume. Just wait for the countless threads on forums like these with the question how to undo this because the person has lost the password... Not to mention the already many threads about people successfully messing up their entire partition layout because they messed with it in order to have a partition for boot camp.

Like I said: this is rocket science thus you need to be a rocket scientist. The average person who has heard of "RAID" generally thinks it is the same as a backup. That alone says enough.

I think alternative way to keep everyone happy is to add "advenced mode" to Disk Utility which contains all potentially dangerous options in one place?

I can use cli if absolutely necessary but using it gives bad memories form DOS era! I doubt I am only user who has more demanding needs than majority but prefer using GUI?

You should have switched to Windows since they heavily rely on the GUI. I think the fact that Microsoft has changed course on that shows you how important CLI actually is. A lot of the advanced tasks you want to do automated or have a certain amount of control over it. You can't do this with a GUI do to positions of elements (a computer isn't intelligent enough to see where buttons/windows/etc. are the way we humans can). GUI's are usable for certain things and are completely unsuited/unusable for other things which also applies to the CLI. That's why the future lies in systems having both where the easy and common tasks are mostly GUI and the more advanced stuff is CLI. Something that has been the case with OS X since the first release.

Windows has too many downsides for my needs. Maybe I have selective memory but I don't remember early versions of OS X having most of the advanced stuff in CLI. Compared to latest 10.10 and 10.11 earlier OS X versions such as 10.4-10.6 had much more options in the GUI...
 
After updating to 10.11.2 on my Mid 2015 iMac Retina 5K, whenever it goes into deep sleep, the second monitor, a Dell 2408WFP, refuses to come out of sleep. The iMac does not recognize the monitor. Only way to restore is by rebooting. I did a PRAM zap. Also unplugged the power cable and external monitor cable from back of iMac and hit the power button for 45 seconds. Replugged and started up. Didn't fix the issue. This ONLY started happening with 10.11.2. Looks like a bug to me. Any thoughts appreciated!
 
Both. Sometimes it'll completely freeze, while sometimes it'll automatically restart itself after a brief freeze. And this is with YouTube's HTML5 player. When full screen, sometimes the colors will start changing, video will start skipping, etc. When not in full screen, various parts of the screen will start flashing (even outside of YouTube's player), but will never freeze or seem to slow down. I doubt it's a hardware issue since nothing else does this.

Weird, I had been having a similar problem with Yosemite and it happened with El Cap:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...10-10-4-5-watching-youtube-in-safari.1913281/

It has mostly disappeared with 10.11.1-2, but it did happen approximately a week ago.
 
apple is the new chipotle, all good but posts here are getting depressing to read
 
Tried to update. After eventually downloading (allegedly), the App Store 'Updates' tab shows "Restart" button. Click it.

After a few seconds: grey screen. Your computer restarted because of a problem.

OK, try again. Same deal again.

"Updates Installed in the Last 30 days" section lists the El Crapitan recovery update four times; that's how many times I've clicked Update on that. It hasn't even downloaded fully, why is it listed in the Installed Updates section?

Stupid Mac OS X, it's become so unreliable...
 
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Well, the update broke USB for me.

Post update, whenever I power on my scanner:
  • Its seen in system report as just the model name
  • Its random whether or not my virtual machines can see it
  • When they can see it there is additional random behaviour as sometimes its named as just the model name, other times it has #number appended to the name where the number is in the range 1 to 3, most often 3.
All worked fine before the update, and nothing else has been updated.
 
Haven't gotten to try it out yet. It literally took 5 hours to download - or so it said it was going to take; I left it to run overnight - on a decent broadband connection.

"It just works."
 
After the update i've noticed that the battery has decreased dramatically

What's the matter??
 
just updated my mid 2014 15" MBP .. knock on wood went smooth, everything seems to be running well ... el cap has been pretty good to me since the start, excited to see whats next .. since el cap was mostly under the hood tweaks, hoping next bump (.3) fixes/changes some UI elements / new features
 
Okay I will refine it........USB sound input devices still not working in 10.11.2!! And NAS's connected via the RJ45 port still very flaky...drop out frequently. 10.11.2.not good: 10.10.5 works well.

Very disconcerting. I'm currently on 10.10.5 and everything works so I'm hesitant to upgrade. Also have NAS (Synology) and lots of external drives. Please provide more info on which NAS you have and which brand of drives. Thanks.
 
IF this is true then why Apple received a lot of critique from many developers and professionals about the quality of OS X and several doubts about the feasibility of yearly updates after Yosemite was released? Sample 1. Sample 2.
The answer is already in the quote but I'll repeat it again: people not doing their homework. If they did they knew the sole existence of OS X Snow Leopard plus al those really lengthy topics about Exposé on the forums here or the many topics concerning colour profile problems as of 10.6 at the official Apple forums. Just to name a few. As for wifi..well the problem isn't so much OS X, the problem is the technology itself. It is wireless and thus prone to noise from anything. Getting a wifi network to run properly is extremely challenging as can be seen on the forums of some of the wifi manufacturers.

Btw, some people also need to update their knowledge of software development and look at how many others are developing software. You can name just about every Linux distribution and BSD derivative to show that yearly or even half-yearly updates are not only feasible but also have more benefits for users and sysadmins.

There are some studies regarding software quality in general and none of those are finding that it is declining, yet the outcome still isn't all that positive because they are not seeing an increase in quality either. Quality is generally stuck at the same level as 20 years ago. It hasn't changed at all. That's why you only see critique like this coming from amateurs who think they are professionals.

I think alternative way to keep everyone happy is to add "advenced mode" to Disk Utility which contains all potentially dangerous options in one place?
It's already there and is called diskutil; you need to access it from the commandline and it comes with a great manual.

I can use cli if absolutely necessary but using it gives bad memories form DOS era! I doubt I am only user who has more demanding needs than majority but prefer using GUI?
It's not that comparable though. If DOS and the OS X commandline were a keyboard than DOS would consist of 3 keys whereas the OS X one would be a full sized keyboard with 104 keys. DOS is nowhere near as powerful as Powershell or any of the shells in the UNIX world. Autocompleting files/dirs, commands and even their options is completely lacking in DOS just like many more options. The only thing they have in common is that it is all text based.

Windows has too many downsides for my needs. Maybe I have selective memory but I don't remember early versions of OS X having most of the advanced stuff in CLI. Compared to latest 10.10 and 10.11 earlier OS X versions such as 10.4-10.6 had much more options in the GUI...
That depends on how you look at it. The CLI hasn't changed that much from the beginning, only the GUI did. Let's not forget that those older versions were from a time where computing was quite different. We are now in a competing era where people are using tablets as their computer which is not limited to the elderly (there are some programmers who do the same). There are use cases where having these advanced options in the GUI can be considered as cluttering the interface. And as is common on the internet today this will end up in many topics on forums like this one where people are complaining about it, calling it "bloatware".
 
Very disconcerting. I'm currently on 10.10.5 and everything works so I'm hesitant to upgrade. Also have NAS (Synology) and lots of external drives. Please provide more info on which NAS you have and which brand of drives. Thanks.
Synology DS215j [10TB WD Red] and DS414 [16TB WD Red] Both Raid 0
 
Still not upgrading from Yosemite. When everything works, why fix what isn't broken?

Seems many users (5982 who voted at http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-updates-issues-fixes-features-specs-3594193/) agree and think the same.

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My faith in instantly updating to new iOS and OS X has completely gone. Going to have to be some major immediate improvements for me to update things instantly, given there's issues that have yet to be resolved. El Capitan isn't happening for me, not anytime soon anyhow. iOS9 has only happened out of a replacement iPhone 6+ that forced me to update it, as well as to watch OS2. The empire is spreading too far and wide IMHO.
 
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