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Apple Releases OS X 10.8.3 With Mac App Store Gift Card Camera Redemption and Boot Camp Enhancements

Something to think about in regards to Apple installed SSD`s and slow "shut-down" time.

I have noticed this as well , and thought I would investigate the issue.

Have not found anything definitive , but I have my own thoughts :

Times that it shuts down immediately, > You turn your machine on , don`t open many app`s and don`t trash anything or save anything , chances are it will shutdown immediately.

Time it takes forever ( well not quite ) :

You open and use many app`s , you trash stuff , you save stuff.

The slow shut down can be caused my many things or reasons.

The most logical is:

You have used your machine in a normal fashion , { opened app`s , saved , trashed , checked mail , surfed the web and so on } . now when you shut the machine down , there is a high likelihood , that the computer is doing a Trim function.

In order to maintain proper framework and file structure , every time you save and trash , blocks of data on our SSD are getting confused , so to speak , and when you do a shutdown , the computer is rearranging the data blocks so as to be ready to perform the fast boot time that come from having an SSD.

Of course , I could be completely wrong.

Just a logical hypothesis , and of course my opinion ! :)

Later :D

Gary 
 
How to install Windows 8 on Non-Supported Macs of 10.8.3

I just read this over at Apple Discussions:

How to install Windows 8 on Mid 09 Macbook Pro (10.8.3).

READ THE WHOLE THREAD AS THE AUTHOR INDICATES HE MADE AN ERROR IN HIS FIRST POST WHICH HE CORRECTED LATER IN THE THREAD.

This appears to be the solution for the Non-Supported Macs of 10.8.3 to install Windows8 x64 relatively easily.

I haven't tried this as I am all good so NO GUARANTEES but would love to hear if this works for you and upon which Mac you installed.
 
Even though 10.8.3 did feel smoother on my Mid 2010 15" MBP, it didn't fix the KP problem that this model has been plagued with since Mountain Lion.

I decided to downgrade back to Snow Leopard and this puppy is running fast as it did, and the shutdown time is simply amazing (3 seconds with 8GB RAM). Booting up is also a lot faster, the system also feels quite better and I still haven't had a single KP (*knocks on wood*).

I like the features Mountain Lion has, but since I use this machine for intensive work, I simply need that extra speed, and with Snow Leopard is definitely faster and smoother.

Quite honestly, I would love to see 10.9 focus solely on performance again, that would be great!
 
Jedi said:
Something to think about in regards to Apple installed SSD`s and slow "shut-down" time.

I have noticed this as well , and thought I would investigate the issue.

Have not found anything definitive , but I have my own thoughts :

Times that it shuts down immediately, > You turn your machine on , don`t open many app`s and don`t trash anything or save anything , chances are it will shutdown immediately.

Time it takes forever ( well not quite ) :

You open and use many app`s , you trash stuff , you save stuff.

The slow shut down can be caused my many things or reasons.

The most logical is:

You have used your machine in a normal fashion , { opened app`s , saved , trashed , checked mail , surfed the web and so on } . now when you shut the machine down , there is a high likelihood , that the computer is doing a Trim function.

In order to maintain proper framework and file structure , every time you save and trash , blocks of data on our SSD are getting confused , so to speak , and when you do a shutdown , the computer is rearranging the data blocks so as to be ready to perform the fast boot time that come from having an SSD.

Of course , I could be completely wrong.

Just a logical hypothesis , and of course my opinion ! :)

Later :D

Gary 
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Explain this then, it also happens on a mechanical hard drive that doesn't use TRIM.

The type of hard drive used has nothing to do with slow shutdowns.
 
3TB Fusion drive?

Does the update also fixes the 3tb fusion drive not supporting bootcamp for installing windows 7?

I really wish the 3tb fusion drive issue gets fixed....
dont really want to use virtual machine to load up windows...
 
Badagri said:
Explain this then, it also happens on a mechanical hard drive that doesn't use TRIM.

The type of hard drive used has nothing to do with slow shutdowns.
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O___How I dislike this sort of thing.

Anyway , Mac Mini 4.1 / 2 partitions / one boots 10.6.8 / the other
boots 10.8.3.

I can startup with either op-sys and when I shutdown ,
there is no spinning gear at the bottom of the screen.
The screen ( in my case , my tv ) goes blank.

My logical hypothesis is based on personal experience and does not reflect other peoples views or personal opinions.

My 2012 MBP-R , if used according to my statement of opening / deleting / and or saving. then I get the spinning gear at the bottom of the MBP-R screen upon shutdown.

If I turn on my MBP-R and just , say , check a document ( I do not alter / delete / or save ( change ) the document , then select shutdown , the screen goes black ( blank ).

Just try`n to help ! ...

G. 
 
Jedi said:
My logical hypothesis is based on personal experience and does not reflect other peoples views or personal opinions.
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Maybe so but I have had it on both mechanical and SSD. Thats a fact. So it has nothing to do with what hard drive is used.
 
Observations since the update (it's good don't worry) :p

I would encode video and hit 102 celcius (according to SMCFanControl). If I tried to play a video in Quicktime while doing this, the animation when full-screening the video would be super choppy. Then there would be a 50% chance that my machine would freeze when exiting fullscreen. You'd still hear the video playing, but you could wait a full hour after the video finishes, and it still wouldn't come back.

This is COMPLETELY resolved in 10.8.3 :D .. Not that this is a typical habit, but so far, all my software is rock solid under 10.8.3. Shutdown has not improved, but it's not a super concern for me.
 
anarti said:
I had a big expectations for that update, but on my retina, switching between spaces, when for instance clicking on the dock icon of a program that is in different space, is kind of laggy as well.


hate it.
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Weird, for me, this update fixed all the performance issues I had with the integrated card. Switching between spaces is smooth.

I can notice a tiny stutter when hitting an app icon in the doc that's on another space, but the switch is so fast I don't think it matters. I mean, it's hard to tell if it's just switching so fast or if it's stuttering -> it's not an issue.

The biggest difference is that Safari Scrolling - and other scrolling - is now as buttery smooth as it should be. Before 10.8.3 it was super choppy on this rMBP using the integrated graphics. It was smooth before with the discrete card too.
 
why have SiliconImage esata/raid drivers been moved to the "incompatible folder" WTF

TofSanity said:
about to perform the update! just updated the SMC and that corrected my Safari lag.
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(1) can a KEXT tool re-install the removed SII driver?

(2) what exactly in 10.8.3 makes the SIID driver incmpatible ... when there was not any such "problem" in 10.8.2?

(3) why doesnt pre-flightcheck procedure in the osx installer *INFORM* the user of the consequences of an installtion/upgrade before procedding? (and taking actions on its own that the user might not want to endure after an upgrade — ie giving the user the option to backout of the installation)

... it's bad enough that the appl readme furnish almost NO INFO about the fixes in a given upgrade but providing a heads-up about incompatibilities is least that is the minumum one would expect from the actul installer itself!

(4) the supposed massive joint investment in a new firmware archiyecture (EFI) by by Intel and Apple was supposed to be one of the big dividends of the move to the Inte platform (ha!) — yet there dont seem to be any obvious/appreciable benefits yet (5+ years later!) for the users

[in this sense, the transition from a known-good firmware platform on PPC -OFW- over to a putatively better but in fact underleveraged one -EFI- echos the same failure to deliver on a promised technology as did the very underwhelming transition from a robust, native (objectiveC) driver model in OpenStep (Driver Kit) over to the brittle, handicapped (embeddedC++) driver model in OSX (IO Kit) ]

=> In this case:

apple has simply FAILED to deliver bootable eSATA firmware updates for its Intel platform — despite all the Hossanah's for the miracles we could expect from EFI.

It is a TRAVESTY that apple would be DISABLING esata drivers from 3rd parties when the resposnibility for esata rests with apple in the first place!

Apple cant have its cake and eat it too!

Apple must either provide firmware support support for (expresscard) esata or else it must fix OSX so that (expresscard) esata drivers continue to remain compatible!

Yes yes yes, thunderbolt does /in principle/ command the strategic committment from apple (hence the phasing out of expresscard on the MBP - booo!) once but AGAIN if apple wants to obsolete/orphan one port (exprtesscard) in facour of another port (Tbolt) then appl has a responsibility to its LOYAL CUSTOMERS —who have paid top dollar for premium hardware!— to create the market conditions in which Tbolt solutions are pelntiul & cheap!

Apple is making a GRAVE mistake by erodong the brand equity it has nurtured with its core pro customers — it was the True Believers who sustained appl during it's darkest days but apple seems to have forgotten its history & is willing to toss them as if they were mere disposable parts.

Apple's commonuppance in some unforeseen bleak day ahead will be that it's aggressive contenpt towards its customers (leaving Pro users hanging in a learch; insulting its Cool custmerbase with ridiculous supercilious Bowlderized/Disnified censorship of its iTunes/Apps ecossytems; its black-listing of prominment Macintsoh jounalists who dont obediently genufect; etc etc) — because at the point in time, Apple wont have any advocates left, it will only have customers.

And there's a BIG difference between those two!
 
orthorim said:
Weird, for me, this update fixed all the performance issues I had with the integrated card. Switching between spaces is smooth.

I can notice a tiny stutter when hitting an app icon in the doc that's on another space, but the switch is so fast I don't think it matters. I mean, it's hard to tell if it's just switching so fast or if it's stuttering -> it's not an issue.

The biggest difference is that Safari Scrolling - and other scrolling - is now as buttery smooth as it should be. Before 10.8.3 it was super choppy on this rMBP using the integrated graphics. It was smooth before with the discrete card too.
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switching between spaces is super smooth, only when clickin on dock icon of an app in different space, there is kind of small "jump". It was there before, I was hoping apple would get rid of that problem. It appears on dedicated and integrated graphics.
 
zahadum said:
apple has simply FAILED to deliver bootable eSATA firmware updates for its Intel platform — despite all the Hossanah's for the miracles we could expect from EFI.

It is a TRAVESTY that apple would be DISABLING esata drivers from 3rd parties when the resposnibility for esata rests with apple in the first place!

Apple cant have its cake and eat it too!
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Yeah, nobody cares. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible. ;)

The simple truth is Apple doesn't support eSata PERIOD. They have never offered it on ANY Mac EVER and apparently NEVER will. And since to Apple, Apple = Hardware, they don't think anyone else should support it either (Mac Pro included). Or at the very least, they couldn't care less. It has NOTHING to do with EFI. It has to do with Apple not giving a flying crap about eSata. I now have USB 3.0 on my 2008 Macbook Pro with an $11 Express Card, but it's no thanks to Apple. I had to find a compatible 3rd party driver. Apple has zero support for USB 3.0 expansion cards for the Mac Pro or Macbook Pros with Express card slots.

Basically,

If Apple cared, we'd have all kinds of GPU upgradeable options, better defaults, etc. But no, we get what makes the thinnest "prettiest" looking Macs and not what actually can move some pixels.

If Apple cared, we'd have full Blu-Ray support at the OS level to watch movies.

If Apple cared, we'd have an update to the Mac Pro at least two years ago.

If Apple cared, we'd have Logic X by now.

The simple fact is Apple does whatever their current interior decorator wants rather than what the tech guys want and the current CEO change from Mr. Jobs has not improved this one bit that I can see. If anything, it's gotten even worse with even thinner iMacs, lack of optical support even for backwards compatibility, even slower GPUs on the Mac Mini and lower-end Macbook Pros and a giant PUSH for this "Retina" screen on higher-end Macbook Pros with a GPU that is wholly inadequate for the task. Frankly, having seen such a Macbook Pro in person, I wasn't even SLIGHTLY impressed. Sitting next to a regular Macbook Pro, I couldn't even tell the freaking difference between the resolution on the two screens since all it was doing with all that extra resolution was essentially the visual equivalent of edge-smoothing. What a WASTE of extra resolution, IMO. Yeah, you can override the doubling effect and actually get more real resolution, but then things get so darn tiny on that size screen that it's an exercise in frustration. I would have MUCH rather have seen a higher-end GPU and Blu-Ray in a Macbook Pro than almost pointless extra screen resolution at that screen size (maybe on the 17" MBP it would have been nice, but seeing they JUNKED it.....(sigh).

Don't worry. We'll probably see some innovative new lines of products from Apple soon....

-iToys (yeah two ways to go here for different age groups and remotely powered from iOS devices!) :eek:

-iShoes (voice guided directions and speed/distance control programmed by your iOS device)

-The iShirt (bendy screen changes the t-shirt pattern on programmable demand).

-iCandy (Who doesn't want Apple flavored Forbidden Fruit products?)

-iWare (remote-tintable contact lenses that can change your eye color from your iPhone or iWatch!)

-The iBot (your new family pet with a programmable iOS interface!)

-The iMower (who doesn't want to mow their lawn using their iPad as a remote control!?!?)

-The iShower and iBath (powered by iTunes!) Get all sudsy to your favorite music in this mood enhanced bathing experience! Don't forget the iSoap (made with recycled iMac screens so it's extra gritty for those hard to clean areas!)

-The iBike (powered by the Oh-So-Reliable iMaps, it steers you to your destination automatically so you can concentrate on texting! Just pedal and text away and it will see you to your destination.... :eek: )
 
osx 10.8.3 fixed nothing

10.8.3 bootcamp didn't fix keyboard and magic track pad problem, it only fixed the problems that were easy to fix :mad:
 
tekboi said:
Do I have to install the bootcamp updates manually in windows. Or will it automatically be applied???
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They should show up on the Apple Software Utility, I think. If they're not there, download them from the Apple Bootcamp Support website.
 
10.8.4 is ramping up. I'm surprised MR doesn't have a story on it yet.
 
milo said:
It has for some (possibly most?) users. Looks like people running Logic 64 bit are generally having fewer lag problems than people running it 32.
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Not me, Milo, and at least 17 other folks that have posted in the Apple forum with this problem have suggested that it hasn't gone away for them either. And I am running 64 bit.
 
Yep. Keep sending specifics to Apple so they can hopefully fix the problem for you and those others. I'm sorry it's not fixed for you, but I am glad that it is fixed for quite a few others.
 
MACRM32 said:
I know how you feel, I was clueless as to why it's not. I even went as far as to create a 64GB partition and install Win8 in EFI on it just to see what the problem would be. Apple even blocked the driver installer from running. The thing is, apart from the Coprocessor and SM Bus, everything seems to be installed and accounted for (couldn't get the FN keys and the boot camp program to run, though).
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apparently i am able to install the bootcamp driver(meant for windows 7).

i guess the only issue that i faced is the wifi driver not working properly. wifi speed was slow (vertified that it isn't my internet fault.)

thereafter i go ahead to download a older version of the driver and it work. however each time windows boot up, it give a prompt complaining that the driver is broken although i know it is not.

then again, this issue didn't exist when i was using developer preview of windows 8.
 
rtheb said:
I just read this over at Apple Discussions:

How to install Windows 8 on Mid 09 Macbook Pro (10.8.3).

READ THE WHOLE THREAD AS THE AUTHOR INDICATES HE MADE AN ERROR IN HIS FIRST POST WHICH HE CORRECTED LATER IN THE THREAD.

This appears to be the solution for the Non-Supported Macs of 10.8.3 to install Windows8 x64 relatively easily.

I haven't tried this as I am all good so NO GUARANTEES but would love to hear if this works for you and upon which Mac you installed.
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THANK YOU! Lifesaver. Worked like a charm installing BootCamp 5 for Win 8 x64 on my 2008 MacBook Pro 4,1
 
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