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So what you say is contrary just like I said. You insist Snow Leopard was darn near perfect and then turn around and whine and cry and moan about Mavericks with problems others don't have. Pot meet kettle. Snow Leopard was FAR from perfect. Just because YOU didn't have problems didn't mean they didn't exist for other users (sound familiar???). My point is your view of history is just as colored as mine is of the present. Your quality statement is unfounded and unproven. I've had zero problems with my 2012 Mac Mini. I've had very few problems with my 2008 MBP. The quality is the same here. OSX is MUCH more stable NOW than it was in 2008. Leopard was a mess until its final version and Snow Leopard was virtually unusable until 10.6.3. We just got to 10.9.1. People seem to want perfection on Day 1. That's NEVER been true of ANY version of OSX.
You don't seem to grasp the concept, do you? They were SUPPOSE to EVOLVE..to make it BETTER. It's not only me without problems...it's majority of people had better days with SL. Things did go SMOOTHER...with SL.

sure..early SL was bad...not as bad as current AND they made it BETTER when they reached to last update...(i guess 10.6.7 was good as well).
My point is unproven? Really? You need to ask people who worked with SL....really..ask...majority of time they will agree with me. Hardware was good as well...as years go by...they failed to improve hardware upgrades....nevertheless majority of HW were still good.. SL will whoop mavericks or mountain kitty's behind ANY DAY. You seem like you're okay with mediocre or less..or whatever Apple wanted you to accept. As for Mavericks..it's somewhat improvement...but it should of been massive improvement... bugs are there whether you deny it or not...but there are also things that lacked which should of been some enhancements from day 1 (SL).
 
Updated yesterday and started to lose wifi connection when awake from sleep :confused:. I have to manually select my wifi.:(

It was working properly with official release of Mavericks.

Anyone has encounter this problem?
 
Updated yesterday and started to lose wifi connection when awake from sleep :confused:. I have to manually select my wifi.:(

It was working properly with official release of Mavericks.

Anyone has encounter this problem?

Nope.

1. Turn off Wi-Fi.
2. Go to System Preferences->Network pane, highlight 'Wi-Fi' and then at the bottom left of the pane select the - button to get rid of the wireless, don't panic.

2. Still in the Network pane click on the 'Apply' button to save.

3. Quit System Preferences and wait for about 20 seconds before going back into System Preferences->Network pane and now click the + button to add your Wi-Fi back and before you put in your information again click the 'Apply' button again to save the changes. Then still using the Network pane rejoin your wireless network from inside the pane, then click the 'Apply' button again after rejoining your wireless network.

Enjoy.
 
You don't seem to grasp the concept, do you? They were SUPPOSE to EVOLVE..to make it BETTER.

It's way better than Snow Leopard. I can do things in ML and Mavericks that SL users could only dream about doing (e.g. play games on the other side of the house using Airplay + bluetooth PS3 controller). I can wirelessly add extra monitors as displays. Multiple monitors are no longer completely useless as they were in Snow Leopard. OpenGL is no longer in the STONE AGES like Snow Leopard is today. I've had kernel panics with SL. I've NEVER had a single one with either ML or Mavericks. NONE. Unlike your ridiculous claims about "perfect" Snow Leopard, I'm not saying Mavericks is perfect. What I do maintain is that OSX has NEVER been this "perfect" OS that you seem to think it once was (and is now total crap apparently). It's at 10.9.1 for god's sake. EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF OSX has had BUGS in its initial release(s). You keep acting like that's something new and it's not.

There is ONE big difference between 2004 and now and that's Apple's attention to the Mac and OSX in general. But that iOS ship sailed between Tiger and Leopard, not Snow Leopard and Lion/ML/Mavericks. It's just more of the same. And for all your bold claims about how flipping awesome Snow Leopard is/was, MOST of its apparently earth shattering features were made in in prior versions of OSX. It was, after all, mostly a maintenance upgrade. Spaces are from Leopard. Quick look is from Leopard. OSX is an EVOLUTION, not some amazing new whiz-bang product that just came into existence. Even 10.0 was based on UNIX, NeXT Step and the basic Mac GUI features from Classic. It wasn't developed overnight and it sure as hell wasn't all developed in version 10.6.0. You want to whine about Apple sucking? Fine. Leave it where it deserves it, ignoring power user markets and spending too much time on iOS instead of OSX. But crying that you had an issue in .0 release is ridiculous. No .0 release was perfect. NONE of them. Give it time.

It's not only me without problems...it's majority of people had better days with SL. Things did go SMOOTHER...with SL.

Oh please. You didn't do a poll or research on how many people had how many problems relative to each version of the operating system. If you want a serious discussion, stop making crap up. You have had problems. Some others on here have had problems. A lot of people had problems with Snow Leopard too when it first came out. That proves nothing of what you say. You want to compare 10.6.8 with 10.9.0. It's ridiculous. Compare 10.6.8 to 10.8.5. Mountain Lion wins. It was as bug free a version of OSX as I've ever used. No kernel panics. Not a single one. No crashes. No forced reboots. No complaints. Yeah, my GMail went wonky in Apple Mail (Thunderbird still worked fine) after GMail updated their mailing system this past fall, but that's fixed now in 10.9.1. I've seen NONE of these other problems mentioned on here and I have a 2008 machine running Mavericks as well so these are not epidemic bugs. They are related to specific machines.

sure..early SL was bad...not as bad as current AND they made it BETTER

Not as bad as current? Again, that's your opinion. I don't see these bugs. I did see major issues in early Snow Leopard, particularly with my 2008 Macbook Pro which had a completely wonky keyboard bug at first in Snow Leopard that was not there in Leopard. That made it nearly unusable. 10.6.3 was the first reasonably stable version (still got occasional kernel panics though until much later versions. Mavericks is at 10.9.1 and here is completely stable. I'd call that an improvement on my end. Sandboxing has made a lot of apps a lot more stable and is probably why I have not seen a kernel panic in ML or Mavericks yet, not a single one.

My point is unproven? Really? You need to ask people who worked with SL....really..ask...majority of time they will agree with me. Hardware was

If you want to conduct a poll, go ahead, but it's not MY job to do your work for you to prove your assertions.

good as well...as years go by...they failed to improve hardware upgrades....nevertheless majority of HW were still good.. SL will whoop mavericks or mountain kitty's behind ANY DAY. You seem like you're okay

What mature talk. Whoop its hind end? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Personally, up until this latest update, I have never had ANY issues with Safari.

I do use Firefox as well, but it just seems so out dated to me.

Well, browsers are a bit of a personal preference kind of thing. I don't know what you think is outdated about Firefox given how configurable it is, but I've never liked Safari's GUI or lack of configurability. I want a browser to behave the way I want it to, not the way Apple or Google tells it to.
 
It's way better than Snow Leopard. I can do things in ML and Mavericks that SL users could only dream about doing (e.g. play games on the other side of the house using Airplay + bluetooth PS3 controller). I can wirelessly add extra monitors as displays. Multiple monitors are no longer completely useless as they were in Snow Leopard. OpenGL is no longer in the STONE AGES like Snow Leopard is today. I've had kernel panics with SL. I've NEVER had a single one with either ML or Mavericks. NONE. Unlike your ridiculous claims about "perfect" Snow Leopard, I'm not saying Mavericks is perfect. What I do maintain is that OSX has NEVER been this "perfect" OS that you seem to think it once was (and is now total crap apparently). It's at 10.9.1 for god's sake. EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF OSX has had BUGS in its initial release(s). You keep acting like that's something new and it's not.

There is ONE big difference between 2004 and now and that's Apple's attention to the Mac and OSX in general. But that iOS ship sailed between Tiger and Leopard, not Snow Leopard and Lion/ML/Mavericks. It's just more of the same. And for all your bold claims about how flipping awesome Snow Leopard is/was, MOST of its apparently earth shattering features were made in in prior versions of OSX. It was, after all, mostly a maintenance upgrade. Spaces are from Leopard. Quick look is from Leopard. OSX is an EVOLUTION, not some amazing new whiz-bang product that just came into existence. Even 10.0 was based on UNIX, NeXT Step and the basic Mac GUI features from Classic. It wasn't developed overnight and it sure as hell wasn't all developed in version 10.6.0. You want to whine about Apple sucking? Fine. Leave it where it deserves it, ignoring power user markets and spending too much time on iOS instead of OSX. But crying that you had an issue in .0 release is ridiculous. No .0 release was perfect. NONE of them. Give it time.



Oh please. You didn't do a poll or research on how many people had how many problems relative to each version of the operating system. If you want a serious discussion, stop making crap up. You have had problems. Some others on here have had problems. A lot of people had problems with Snow Leopard too when it first came out. That proves nothing of what you say. You want to compare 10.6.8 with 10.9.0. It's ridiculous. Compare 10.6.8 to 10.8.5. Mountain Lion wins. It was as bug free a version of OSX as I've ever used. No kernel panics. Not a single one. No crashes. No forced reboots. No complaints. Yeah, my GMail went wonky in Apple Mail (Thunderbird still worked fine) after GMail updated their mailing system this past fall, but that's fixed now in 10.9.1. I've seen NONE of these other problems mentioned on here and I have a 2008 machine running Mavericks as well so these are not epidemic bugs. They are related to specific machines.



Not as bad as current? Again, that's your opinion. I don't see these bugs. I did see major issues in early Snow Leopard, particularly with my 2008 Macbook Pro which had a completely wonky keyboard bug at first in Snow Leopard that was not there in Leopard. That made it nearly unusable. 10.6.3 was the first reasonably stable version (still got occasional kernel panics though until much later versions. Mavericks is at 10.9.1 and here is completely stable. I'd call that an improvement on my end. Sandboxing has made a lot of apps a lot more stable and is probably why I have not seen a kernel panic in ML or Mavericks yet, not a single one.



If you want to conduct a poll, go ahead, but it's not MY job to do your work for you to prove your assertions.



What mature talk. Whoop its hind end? Give me a break. :rolleyes:



Well, browsers are a bit of a personal preference kind of thing. I don't know what you think is outdated about Firefox given how configurable it is, but I've never liked Safari's GUI or lack of configurability. I want a browser to behave the way I want it to, not the way Apple or Google tells it to.

With all the false bs claim...okay whatever...enjoy your ML or whatever...but don't speak on others....because you don't have eyes to see it. BYE!

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It's way better than Snow Leopard. I can do things in ML and Mavericks that SL users could only dream about doing (e.g. play games on the other side of the house using Airplay + bluetooth PS3 controller). I can wirelessly add extra monitors as displays. Multiple monitors are no longer completely useless as they were in Snow Leopard. OpenGL is no longer in the STONE AGES like Snow Leopard is today. I've had kernel panics with SL. I've NEVER had a single one with either ML or Mavericks. NONE. Unlike your ridiculous claims about "perfect" Snow Leopard, I'm not saying Mavericks is perfect. What I do maintain is that OSX has NEVER been this "perfect" OS that you seem to think it once was (and is now total crap apparently). It's at 10.9.1 for god's sake. EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF OSX has had BUGS in its initial release(s). You keep acting like that's something new and it's not.

There is ONE big difference between 2004 and now and that's Apple's attention to the Mac and OSX in general. But that iOS ship sailed between Tiger and Leopard, not Snow Leopard and Lion/ML/Mavericks. It's just more of the same. And for all your bold claims about how flipping awesome Snow Leopard is/was, MOST of its apparently earth shattering features were made in in prior versions of OSX. It was, after all, mostly a maintenance upgrade. Spaces are from Leopard. Quick look is from Leopard. OSX is an EVOLUTION, not some amazing new whiz-bang product that just came into existence. Even 10.0 was based on UNIX, NeXT Step and the basic Mac GUI features from Classic. It wasn't developed overnight and it sure as hell wasn't all developed in version 10.6.0. You want to whine about Apple sucking? Fine. Leave it where it deserves it, ignoring power user markets and spending too much time on iOS instead of OSX. But crying that you had an issue in .0 release is ridiculous. No .0 release was perfect. NONE of them. Give it time.



Oh please. You didn't do a poll or research on how many people had how many problems relative to each version of the operating system. If you want a serious discussion, stop making crap up. You have had problems. Some others on here have had problems. A lot of people had problems with Snow Leopard too when it first came out. That proves nothing of what you say. You want to compare 10.6.8 with 10.9.0. It's ridiculous. Compare 10.6.8 to 10.8.5. Mountain Lion wins. It was as bug free a version of OSX as I've ever used. No kernel panics. Not a single one. No crashes. No forced reboots. No complaints. Yeah, my GMail went wonky in Apple Mail (Thunderbird still worked fine) after GMail updated their mailing system this past fall, but that's fixed now in 10.9.1. I've seen NONE of these other problems mentioned on here and I have a 2008 machine running Mavericks as well so these are not epidemic bugs. They are related to specific machines.



Not as bad as current? Again, that's your opinion. I don't see these bugs. I did see major issues in early Snow Leopard, particularly with my 2008 Macbook Pro which had a completely wonky keyboard bug at first in Snow Leopard that was not there in Leopard. That made it nearly unusable. 10.6.3 was the first reasonably stable version (still got occasional kernel panics though until much later versions. Mavericks is at 10.9.1 and here is completely stable. I'd call that an improvement on my end. Sandboxing has made a lot of apps a lot more stable and is probably why I have not seen a kernel panic in ML or Mavericks yet, not a single one.



If you want to conduct a poll, go ahead, but it's not MY job to do your work for you to prove your assertions.



What mature talk. Whoop its hind end? Give me a break. :rolleyes:



Well, browsers are a bit of a personal preference kind of thing. I don't know what you think is outdated about Firefox given how configurable it is, but I've never liked Safari's GUI or lack of configurability. I want a browser to behave the way I want it to, not the way Apple or Google tells it to.

Either way...looks we got apple defender here talking all mighty....whatever....bye!
 
With all the false bs claim...okay whatever...enjoy your ML or whatever...but don't speak on others....because you don't have eyes to see it. BYE!

Ever hear about quoting rules to posting ratios? No? Before your time perhaps? Ever hear of making a case for your argument rather than just calling names? No? Come back in 5-10 years and try again.
 
Compare 10.6.8 to 10.8.5. Mountain Lion wins. It was as bug free a version of OSX as I've ever used.

10.8.5 most bug-free version...?

I've got a nasty bug on 10.8.5 that forces me to downgrade to 10.6.8 - audio stuttering problem... :mad: So nasty that the problem started at 10.8.0, and Apple couldn't fixed it even on 10.8.5...

Pretty nasty isn't it...? :(
 
Thanks! everything working properly now :)

Nope.

1. Turn off Wi-Fi.
2. Go to System Preferences->Network pane, highlight 'Wi-Fi' and then at the bottom left of the pane select the - button to get rid of the wireless, don't panic.

2. Still in the Network pane click on the 'Apply' button to save.

3. Quit System Preferences and wait for about 20 seconds before going back into System Preferences->Network pane and now click the + button to add your Wi-Fi back and before you put in your information again click the 'Apply' button again to save the changes. Then still using the Network pane rejoin your wireless network from inside the pane, then click the 'Apply' button again after rejoining your wireless network.

Enjoy.
 
10.8.5 most bug-free version...?

I've got a nasty bug on 10.8.5 that forces me to downgrade to 10.6.8 - audio stuttering problem... :mad: So nasty that the problem started at 10.8.0, and Apple couldn't fixed it even on 10.8.5...

Pretty nasty isn't it...? :(

I'm sure it sounds pretty nasty. :D

The question is what is actually causing it? Do all other people with 2010 MBP i7s have this problem? If not, it could be something specific to your computer (like a bad/corrupt file).
 
10.9.1 install hanging

Many folks have experienced the "5 seconds remaining" hang on the install for this update.

Me too.

MBP, 13", late 2011

Rebooted. Back to 10.9.0
 
I'm sure it sounds pretty nasty. :D

The question is what is actually causing it? Do all other people with 2010 MBP i7s have this problem? If not, it could be something specific to your computer (like a bad/corrupt file).

At first I thought so too but when I backtrack my songs, they played fine. Sadly it occurs at random with no specific reasons, and there's a thread on Apple Support Communities highlighting this issue.
 
Nope.

1. Turn off Wi-Fi.
2. Go to System Preferences->Network pane, highlight 'Wi-Fi' and then at the bottom left of the pane select the - button to get rid of the wireless, don't panic.

2. Still in the Network pane click on the 'Apply' button to save.

3. Quit System Preferences and wait for about 20 seconds before going back into System Preferences->Network pane and now click the + button to add your Wi-Fi back and before you put in your information again click the 'Apply' button again to save the changes. Then still using the Network pane rejoin your wireless network from inside the pane, then click the 'Apply' button again after rejoining your wireless network.

Enjoy.

This isn't working for me.

I have the sleep connection problem on both my iMac and MBA.:mad:
 
Well, I hate to say it, but my GMail STILL isn't being accessed correctly in Apple Mail. It works at first, but after running continuously for an unknown amount of time (day or two) it stops finding new mail until I quit out of Mail and restart it. In short, NOTHING has changed with 10.9.1 over 10.9.0 here in that regard. I think I'm going back to Thunderbird. This is a bit ridiculous at this point.

Is dock migration working for anyone in 10.9.1? It worked here in 10.9.0 IF I used a bottom mounted dock. In 10.9.1, it doesn't migrate period.
 
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