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Apple Releases OS X 10.9.1 With Several Mail Improvements
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No idea who makes the SSD in my Mac but so far Mavericks and iOS 7 have been the buggiest OS releases Ive ever experienced. I have a friend who is a huge Windows guy, and after years of him listening to me brag about Apple products he got an iPad Air, and has problems with it. We have an iPad Air, and get a crash or restart at least once a day. I get beach balls routinely in Mavericks. My phone has had quite a few crashes even in stock apps like settings.
Don't know what to make of Apple these days. Love the hardware on this Mac, and the Air is a great improvement over the prior versions...but Apple has been sucking at software. Don't forget 10.8.5 release was bungled with a supplemental update, Apple TV update was bungled, I had the keyboard not working problem on this Mac, 10.9.1 and I get beach balls in stock Apple Mac apps, ect. I just feel Apple software was a lot more dialed in with previous releases. Maybe just selective memory on my part but between an iPad Air, a Mac, Apple TV, and two 5S' we haven't had 'Apple reliability' in the slightest with these products. Ive been using iPhones since the 3G, had previous Mac's and iPads. Not exactly new to this.
the thing is apple is no longer quality company. It may not be obvious to some but it sure is to those who had been loyalist. These problems could be resolved if they listen to people...maybe if customers no longer buys them (not possible...but could lessen the profit quarterly especially people most people refuse to buy certain computers like mac pro or etc.) The points...we, the consumer, can change we do something about it...maybe petition.
Not sure if this is related to the new update, but I'm having trouble with my backlit keyboard. It doesn't seem to automatically adjust with the light in my area. I have to manually adjust it. The screen adjusts just fine though.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
I'll go through Mavericks on this Mac, and see once we get up into higher point updates. I checked out a ton of PC's in the same price range, and none of them have the build quality of a Macbook Pro. We have previously had a Samsung Series 9 in our house, and in 2012 I built a gaming rig with a 3770K and Asus Maximus V Extreme. I'm not immune to what the 'PC' side is doing. Macbook Pro's are the best constructed laptop for the money...period. Here in Austin there is a MS store next to the Apple store, and all the laptops in the MS store have terrible flex just putting moderate pressure down on the keyboard. So...like I said...Apple has great hardware build quality but I just wish the software to go along with these products was as stable as it has been in the past. Ill give them this current gen of products and that has really been a reason I've had to use Apple products in the past. Without stable SW their HW doesn't seem as appealing or worth a premium (at times). For this 13" MBP theres not another laptop for the price that has the build quality. Just want the SW to come up to par with the quality of the HW.
I find it strange that so many people have so many odd unrelated bugs that other people don't have. You'd think that a bug would be a bug and nearly everyone would get the same ones. Is it how Mavericks was installed or something that only happens on specific models or configurations. It's really strange.
It might useful if we had a way to keep a tally of reported incidents of specific bugs to determine actual bugs from specific machine glitches. Other than some odd stutter issues on XBMC on my AppleTV accessing my Mini server running Mavericks (that may or may not be Mavericks itself; hard to tell when I just switched to NFS instead of SMB given Mavericks poor SMB backwards compatibility) and the Gmail bug that wouldn't retrieve mail half the time, I've noticed no actual noticeable bugs in Mavericks on either my 2012 Mini or my 2008 MBP. Well, now the dock won't migrate to the other monitor anymore if set to the bottom since 10.9.1 but then I used the side dock anyway and it never migrated in any version of OSX so I'm used to it.
You see it's comments like this that make me shrug WTF. Who exactly is a so-called "loyalist" ??? My last four computers have been Macs so I guess I've been "loyal" since 2007 and I don't know WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. At what point did they become a non-quality company? I remember the yellow screen LED problem back in 2008 (I was fortunate; my MBP didn't have the dreaded yellow bug or trackpad problems that year). Lion got HORRIBLE reviews (kind of like Mavericks I suppose except I recall it being largely universally despised whereas SOME of us have had hardly ANY problems with Mavericks and so we just don't know WTF you guys are talking about.
I keep reading about how HORRIBLE Mavericks is but I don't see ANY of those issues. The iTunes store works fine here. I don't see excessive beach balls. My Finder isn't laggy. All of my games still work (that I've played lately anyway). I've got improved mult-monitor support. I can watch movies on one monitor full screen and keep doing whatever else on the other one. Other than the above mentioned minor issues, I consider the multi-monitor and OpenGL 4.0 upgrade major improvements. I can still switch back to 10.8.5 at ANY time (because unlike some on here, I actually have it fully backed up and configured on a CCC external backup drive and so I can boot into it even without touching the internal Mavericks setup if I so desire). Anyone who did NOT have a proper backup before upgrading to Mavericks and had problems got what they deserved, IMO since you should have known better. If you do have a proper backup, switch back and stop whining. Snow Leopard (which suddenly is the "best" version of OSX ever made) had very similar problems when it was first released. Unlike some people, I WAITED until 10.6.3 before I upgraded because it was well reported that it had major major problems for some people. Mountain Lion was fine at 10.8.3, but 10.8.4 had that massive sleep issue problem. 10.8.5 works fine. The point is that you should wait and see what braver/more prepared people say about an update before jumping all over it. Anyone that has been around since the PPC days knows darn well that OSX was never really "perfect". Tiger was faster than any version since, IMO, but I also got quite a few kernel panics. I got even more with Leopard and more than a few with early versions of Snow Leopard. Yeah, the final version of Snow Leopard was good. So was the final version of Mountain Lion (and probably Lion wasn't bad in its final version either; I wouldn't know though since I never got it due to all the complaints and the dumping of Rosetta which I wasn't ready to give up at the time).
But this idea that OSX was SOOOO much better in the past is a load of horse crap, IMO. The 2008 MBP was probably the height of the Macs status as universally recognized as just plain awesome (i.e. it's the year the Mac ran Windows Vista faster than any comparable PC did) and I had no complaints about any feature on my Mac except one of the fans got a bad bearing within two years), but that same 2008 MBP had yellow-screen issues on some of them, trackpad issues until Snow Leopard fixed it and the dreaded NVidia GPU that tended to melt-down (I guess they weren't all bad since mine is still running fine 5 years later and never showed the problem).
Yeah, Apple has been ignoring the Mac for many years now. But that was true in 2006 even as Apple was too busy working on the iPhone to bother with the Mac. It's been true ever since. So I guess you must mean that period between 2000 and 2004 or something when the Mac got priority, but then OSX was still loaded with problems from being pretty new (again Tiger was recognized as one of the best OSX versions and yet I still got kernel panics quite a bit).
Just because you don't SEE any issue doesn't mean there aren't problems that are occurring among many users. and when u state WTF I am talking about part...of course you wouldn't know....It's people like you don't understand that they did build very good quality for hardware and software...SL days made the company shine. Loyalist..meaning someone who used apple products for long time...
Damn, these random beach balls while surfing on Safari are annoying as hell.
should of waited to update.. I didn't used to get the beach balls.
should of waited to update.. I didn't used to get the beach balls.
Well yes, but Apple seriously dragged their heels with USB 3.0, they were practically dragged kicking and screaming as they seemingly wanted to withhold USB 3.0 to push Thunderbolt.
I had been waiting for 10.9.1 before installing Mavericks. Reading through this thread, I may wait for 10.9.2. 10.8.5 has been absolutely rock solid for me so far. I just had a 62 day uptime. Your mileage may vary.
Now, the critical path in USB 3.0 adoption is the low penetration of USB 3.0 flash drives (thumb drives). USB 2.x still has 95% market share for flash drives. That is not Apple's fault.
That's a popular Internet myth. The first hobbyist motherboards to support USB 3.0 were released in 2010. There were a few Dell products supporting USB 3.0 released in 2011. Mainstream adoption of USB 3.0 didn't start until mid-2012, when Intel released Panther Point, their first chipset to support USB 3.0. That is when Apple began supporting USB 3.0 (mid-2012).
Now, the critical path in USB 3.0 adoption is the low penetration of USB 3.0 flash drives (thumb drives). USB 2.x still has 95% market share for flash drives. That is not Apple's fault.
I don't really know enough about it but I do remember reading reviews of several MacBook iterations where reviewers generally complained about the lack of USB 3.0 ports given they were so prevalent on PCs
In fact, here's an article by CNET in August 2011 discussing USB 3.0 vs Thunderbolt (I imagine written because it looked at the time like Apple was withholding USB 3.0 to push Thunderbolt). They specifically say that USB 3.0 is common on PCs, and that's a good year or so before the Mid-2012 you mention for Apple starting to incorporate USB 3.0.
Edit: Here's another review of a MacBook in February 2011 which calls the lack of USB 3.0 'a glaring omission'
What really bums me out is that Launchpad still hangs occasionally when flipping through screens in combination with my trackpad and 2013 iMac. I'm getting a bit tired of how new OS X releases have a tendency to fix one thing but break another. It's a perpetual cycle I'm in since its initial release. Incredibly annoying.
That's for sure.
Once upon a time Apples OS X upgrades were far less buggy and slow.
But it's the "iOS Everything Days" now, and it's all about the money, don't cha know
I upgraded using the Update Tab at the Mac App Store and installation went normal for me. The only difference is that I too saw a different login window when the system rebooted after starting the upgrade. I wonder if this has to do with some kind of security protocol that was not present in Mountain Lion. The behavior does not surprise me however since this was seen during the Developer Preview.
Sure, there were some reviewers who thought that USB 3.0 was a big deal and took various manufacturers, including Apple, to task for every product which didn't support it. However, it was Intel's inclusion of USB 3.0 in the Panther Point chipset that drove mainstream adoption. Apple were neither early nor late to the table.
Back in 2011, I speculated that Apple might not support USB 3.0 even for future products that would ship with Panther Point in order to try to drive adoption of Thunderbolt, however, Apple has supported USB 3.0 on every Mac which has included a chipset that supports USB 3.0. There was never an effort to hold back USB 3.0 in order to push Thunderbolt, despite my own belief that it might happen.
Bugs in Preview & Shut Down
I read a lot of PDF books via Preview on my 2013 MBA. Bugs I've found:
1. With some PDF books, you can bookmark a spot, but for some reason, Preview CANNOT save it. How do I know? When I exit Preview, it won't quit. When I force quit the app and relaunch it, the bookmark is not there.
2. With some PDF books, you can both bookmark and save the bookmark, but when exiting Preview, it takes noticeably longer.
3. Cursor randomly freezes while viewing PDF books in Preview.
4. Takes noticeably longer to shut down vis-a-via Mountain Lion or Mavericks on my 2010 MBP. I've reset PRAM, verified disk, and repaired permissions, but no permanent fix.
The bugs are still there AFTER the 10.9.1 update.
I've been using Mac since June 2010, and I have to say Mavericks is the BUGGIEST OS I've ever used!
It's like a Microsoft release!
I read a lot of PDF books via Preview on my 2013 MBA. Bugs I've found:
1. With some PDF books, you can bookmark a spot, but for some reason, Preview CANNOT save it. How do I know? When I exit Preview, it won't quit. When I force quit the app and relaunch it, the bookmark is not there.
2. With some PDF books, you can both bookmark and save the bookmark, but when exiting Preview, it takes noticeably longer.
3. Cursor randomly freezes while viewing PDF books in Preview.
4. Takes noticeably longer to shut down vis-a-via Mountain Lion or Mavericks on my 2010 MBP. I've reset PRAM, verified disk, and repaired permissions, but no permanent fix.
The bugs are still there AFTER the 10.9.1 update.
I've been using Mac since June 2010, and I have to say Mavericks is the BUGGIEST OS I've ever used!
It's like a Microsoft release!
Anyone having trouble syncing with Itunes since this update. I updated last night and cannot sync my phone with Itunes today. Every attempt says not enough space and that it needs another 90 or so Mb. So I free up I Gig and it still says it needs another 90 or so Mb.
Tried rebooting the phone and the Macbook pro and still exactly the same results.
I guess the next step will be to restore the phone, although I am reluctant to do that since phone is working fine.
I am using the latest version of Itunes.
Tried rebooting the phone and the Macbook pro and still exactly the same results.
I guess the next step will be to restore the phone, although I am reluctant to do that since phone is working fine.
I am using the latest version of Itunes.
So what you say is contrary just like I said. You insist Snow Leopard was darn near perfect and then turn around and whine and cry and moan about Mavericks with problems others don't have. Pot meet kettle. Snow Leopard was FAR from perfect. Just because YOU didn't have problems didn't mean they didn't exist for other users (sound familiar???). My point is your view of history is just as colored as mine is of the present. Your quality statement is unfounded and unproven. I've had zero problems with my 2012 Mac Mini. I've had very few problems with my 2008 MBP. The quality is the same here. OSX is MUCH more stable NOW than it was in 2008. Leopard was a mess until its final version and Snow Leopard was virtually unusable until 10.6.3. We just got to 10.9.1. People seem to want perfection on Day 1. That's NEVER been true of ANY version of OSX.
Safari has always been a POS. Frankly, I can't believe anyone uses it. It's THAT bad and always has been. Use a real browser like Firefox and you won't have those problems.
So what you say is contrary just like I said. You insist Snow Leopard was darn near perfect and then turn around and whine and cry and moan about Mavericks with problems others don't have. Pot meet kettle. Snow Leopard was FAR from perfect. Just because YOU didn't have problems didn't mean they didn't exist for other users (sound familiar???). My point is your view of history is just as colored as mine is of the present. Your quality statement is unfounded and unproven. I've had zero problems with my 2012 Mac Mini. I've had very few problems with my 2008 MBP. The quality is the same here. OSX is MUCH more stable NOW than it was in 2008. Leopard was a mess until its final version and Snow Leopard was virtually unusable until 10.6.3. We just got to 10.9.1. People seem to want perfection on Day 1. That's NEVER been true of ANY version of OSX.
Safari has always been a POS. Frankly, I can't believe anyone uses it. It's THAT bad and always has been. Use a real browser like Firefox and you won't have those problems.
Personally, up until this latest update, I have never had ANY issues with Safari.
I do use Firefox as well, but it just seems so out dated to me.