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Well I've been running it on my main machine since DP1 with no major issues (I'm well aware of the risks).
My reply was directed at those who are complaining about bugs and broken features in pre-release software. At the end of the day OS X Mavericks is just not finished yet, otherwise it would be available to everyone in the App Store.
 
Hopefully Mavericks will bring back some of the responsiveness lost when Snow Leopard was replaced. Apple would have to do a lot to Safari to get me off Firefox but who knows?
Like adding the posibility for addons/exstnsions esp ABP, surfing without it is becoming impossible when you se the amount of crap non ABP users have to suffer
 
Like adding the posibility for addons/exstnsions esp ABP, surfing without it is becoming impossible when you se the amount of crap non ABP users have to suffer

Huh? Safari already does extensions like ABP. I used it on every version of Mac since Snow Leopard(my first Mac) and I'm using it now on Mavericks.
 
It only works about 15% of the time... rMBP

Hmm, haven't had such issues, 15" rMBP.

Ahaha the reason no one has heard of Loimaan Biisonit is this:
http://www.bisons.fi/joukkue

and their web design.

Oh yeah, I think the name was changed to Bisons a while ago, and Nilan is the main sponsor.. I don't follow them actively enough to have noticed that, even though they just won the championship.

The website is quite a sight, especially the portraits :eek:

Still, I haven't heard a valid reason why I should have been aware of a basketball team called Mavericks any more than you should have been aware of Nilan Bisons or any other team far away from where you live :D
 
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My reply was directed at those who are complaining about bugs and broken features in pre-release software. At the end of the day OS X Mavericks is just not finished yet, otherwise it would be available to everyone in the App Store.

I know. I guess I wasn't clear enough (sorry). I wasn't trying to take issue with what you were saying. I was merely suggesting that people can experiment at their own risk (though as I tried to convey, that risk isn't even considerable).
 
Have you even submitted a bug report detailing the issue? They're not gonna magically know your problem exists if you don't.

Yes, I have even submitted bug report(s) for this. That's such amazing advice. Maybe they would magically know my problem (reported by many others) exists if they magically used the product themselves and you know... rebooted or logged out of their profile here and there. But then again, it might be a bit much to expect magic.

As an aside, your sentiments sorta showcase the classic fanboi approach. You assume that the problem lies with the user instead of with Apple (in this case, it's a failure for a user to report their magical problems). However, it took Apple over a year to make Safari usable on the rMBP; countless bug reports and several thousand comments on their support forums regarding the same issues by hordes of users took over a year to get resolved when in reality, Apple would have discovered these issues if they had simply tried using Safari on rMBP themselves. We're talking about very basic-yet-obvious problems that literally jump right out at you; not some esoteric issue involving a 5 second delay while using virtual machine or something. In actuality, Apple can be incredibly blind towards addressing problems that mar the user experience of many. Fanboi on.
 
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And what's to prevent them from changing the way they do taxes for Mac products?

Desktop operating systems have always been a paid upgrade whether it is OS X or Windows. Consumers expect to pay for them.

Consumers do not expect to pay for upgrades on their mobile device.

Apple also has to support previous versions of OS X while they do not have to support previous versions of iOS. By support I mean release updates and bug fixes.

My guess is it is a combination of reasons.
 
Yes, I have even submitted bug report(s) for this. That's such amazing advice. Maybe they would magically know my problem (reported by many others) exists if they magically used the product themselves and you know... rebooted or logged out of their profile here and there. But then again, it might be a bit much to expect magic.

As an aside, your sentiments sorta showcase the classic fanboi approach. You assume that the problem lies with the user instead of with Apple (in this case, it's a failure for a user to report their magical problems). However, it took Apple over a year to make Safari usable on the rMBP; countless bug reports and several thousand comments on their support forums regarding the same issues by hordes of users took over a year to get resolved when in reality, Apple would have discovered these issues if they had simply tried using Safari on rMBP themselves. We're talking about very basic-yet-obvious problems that literally jump right out at you; not some esoteric issue involving a 5 second delay while using virtual machine or something. In actuality, Apple can be incredibly blind towards addressing problems that mar the user experience of many. Fanboi on.

You're making a false assumption that it is a widespread problem. I can confirm for you that it does not reset the background image on all of my Macs running 10.8.4 upon reboots and I do a lot because of Windows. I have never seen this problem ONCE and since I work at a company with everybody running Macs, never once have anybody pointed this out either.

It sucks that you are in that situation. All I can tell you is to wipe out the hard drive on one of the Macs (or maybe boot from an external drive), install a clean copy of OS X, do not restore from backups, and test to see if the issues are there.

OS X is a complex beast, it is not possible to fix minor bugs quickly. The risk of regressions are super high, so it's going to take time to fix everything.

Apple do force all of their employees to run the latest betas to get more reports in but having more reports does not make it any easier to fix the bugs.

ML improved everything about Safari on rMBP and I'm pretty sure that Mavs continues the process.

If you don't like the pace, you're always more than welcome to move to Windows.
 
No they don't!

It's a Developer Preview. If somethings broke, report it to Apple and they will fix it for the next preview… If it was a GM or final Public release then yes, but not for a DP :rolleyes:

Apple have exactly the same hardware as us users. Thats whats good with Apple. They control the hardware/software.

Introducing a bug in this magnitude is something that Steve would fire people over. But not now. Incompetence is accepted and defended.

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Desktop operating systems have always been a paid upgrade whether it is OS X or Windows. Consumers expect to pay for them.

Consumers do not expect to pay for upgrades on their mobile device.

Apple also has to support previous versions of OS X while they do not have to support previous versions of iOS. By support I mean release updates and bug fixes.

My guess is it is a combination of reasons.

Mobile devices where never updated before Apple.
Apple introduced free upgrades since it pushes people to upgrade to get all the latest features. Sure: I can use iOS6 on a 3GS, but if I want all features I need to run out and buy a phone.

OSX will be the same. The revenue from OSes is nothing compared to selling hardware. And since Intel don't do faster chips anymore, the only reason to upgrade PC hardware is to get new OS features like Airplay Mirroring/Extended desktop.

(2006--2013 Intel desktop is less then 100% faster. No competition = no speed increase. ARM 17x increase in speed. Intel will have a rude awakening when Apple switches to ARM)
 
Apple have exactly the same hardware as us users. Thats whats good with Apple. They control the hardware/software.

Introducing a bug in this magnitude is something that Steve would fire people over. But not now. Incompetence is accepted and defended.

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Mobile devices where never updated before Apple.
Apple introduced free upgrades since it pushes people to upgrade to get all the latest features. Sure: I can use iOS6 on a 3GS, but if I want all features I need to run out and buy a phone.

OSX will be the same. The revenue from OSes is nothing compared to selling hardware. And since Intel don't do faster chips anymore, the only reason to upgrade PC hardware is to get new OS features like Airplay Mirroring/Extended desktop.

(2006--2013 Intel desktop is less then 100% faster. No competition = no speed increase. ARM 17x increase in speed. Intel will have a rude awakening when Apple switches to ARM)

I didn't use OS X back then... were beta products really that perfect under Jobs?
 
Apple have exactly the same hardware as us users. Thats whats good with Apple. They control the hardware/software.

Introducing a bug in this magnitude is something that Steve would fire people over. But not now. Incompetence is accepted and defended.

Complete integration between software/hardware doesn't make it immune to bugs, nothing could be so far from the truth. You can build your own hardware, code your own software specifically for that hardware, and I can guarantee you that you will have bugs, no matter how long you work on it.

And no, SJ wouldn't fire people over it. He'd yell at them but I don't recall him tearing apart the MobileMe team for some of its horrible bugs that was released.

Intel CPUs had bugs in every generation of which they have to work around and they have the absolute control down to the almost-atomic level and they still release stuff with bugs in it.

It's a beta, stuff is changing rapidly all over the place, and sometime, there are more bugs than bug fixes. It happens and it takes time to get it fixed. All you can do is file bug reports and Apple'll try to get it fixed. Firing people for bugs is never going to help, there's nobody on the planet that can promise you bug-free coding.

Mavericks is not even out yet, the AppleTV may have to be updated in order to work better with Mavericks. Wait until the updates are officially out and then you can start blaming Apple from being incompetent if they don't have it fixed with a month or two of Mavericks' release.
 
Only got an issue with Chrome in DP6 (was ok in DP5). I'm getting oversized text in the Chrome address bar, also extra padding on the left of the autocomplete drop down that appears when you type.
 
Same version of Chrome, just DP5 > DP6 caused it for me. Two machines, same result...

Edit: Weird, it didn't show that there was a new version available but must have updated on reboot.
 
Sorry, your analysis makes too much sense. The magical thinking crowd here won't understand or believe it. :D

Complete integration between software/hardware doesn't make it immune to bugs, nothing could be so far from the truth. You can build your own hardware, code your own software specifically for that hardware, and I can guarantee you that you will have bugs, no matter how long you work on it.

And no, SJ wouldn't fire people over it. He'd yell at them but I don't recall him tearing apart the MobileMe team for some of its horrible bugs that was released.

Intel CPUs had bugs in every generation of which they have to work around and they have the absolute control down to the almost-atomic level and they still release stuff with bugs in it.

It's a beta, stuff is changing rapidly all over the place, and sometime, there are more bugs than bug fixes. It happens and it takes time to get it fixed. All you can do is file bug reports and Apple'll try to get it fixed. Firing people for bugs is never going to help, there's nobody on the planet that can promise you bug-free coding.

Mavericks is not even out yet, the AppleTV may have to be updated in order to work better with Mavericks. Wait until the updates are officially out and then you can start blaming Apple from being incompetent if they don't have it fixed with a month or two of Mavericks' release.
 
I am also very unhappy about the Activity monitor, I can no longer monitor disk space and cannot choose a particular disk to analyze.

Because you have nothing better to do that sit around and watch the free space on your disk? Honestly, I don't understand why that's an issue. There are lots of ways to see the free space on your drives.
 
Does anyone else have the problem where "system preferences" crash instantly if you try and open the "display" ?? I actually can't open it now! really annoying...
 
New one I just noticed today… Dock keeps switching from my main monitor to secondary. When I go into display preferences (no, it isn’t crashing) my menubar is still on the correct display. A little jiggling of the position of the displays sets it back.

Happened 2 or 3 times today.
 
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