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Apple Releases OS X Mavericks Developer Preview 6

Mattstrete said:
Wow, there are some negative people on this forum.

Are you even running Mavericks? Your complaint about the "background image reset" bug would seem to suggest that you're not. If you "see nothing special" about Mavericks without even trying to run it, then you really shouldn't offer up a worthless, negative comment like that.

A fix to the "background image reset" bug you've complained about would make the upgrade "interesting" to you, surely.

I've been running Mavericks since DP1 and I can tell you that the performance enhancements on my RMBP are in themselves worthy of "interest." The latest DP is incredibly fast and responsive. For everyone that complained of UI lag, rest assured, it's gone. I don't see how things could run any smoother or faster at this point.
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Is it really negative for me to believe that Apple should really fix the current problems before moving on? I don't believe it is. I believe it to be a difference in opinion, and a justified one at that, as I am a customer. If you don't like it, tough. No, I have not run Mavericks, and nowhere did I say that I am running Mavericks. As my post indicated, I haven't read too deeply into it. All I know is the new features that will be noticeable on the surface, and none of these are exciting.

Wow, they improved performance for my rMBP? You are right, I SHOULD be impressed! To heck with improving performance for Mountain Lion; I should PAY more money to have the performance expected of a $2500 machine. Yes, sign me up to pay more money so I don't have graphical lag! :rolleyes:

(For the record, calling a user's comments "worthless" because they are of a different mindset than yours simply makes you look like an ignorant trollolol.)
 
oatman13 said:
Just be glad you got 4.1... Remember, everybody stuck in Mountain Lion is stuck at 3.2. I'm really irritated that they won't give Mountain Lion customers 4.1 though. Game developers need as many OS X users as possible running the latest OpenGL versions or else they'll continue to write OpenGL 3 programs.
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Have the system requirements changed between OS X Mountain Lion and Mavericks? If that's not the case, nobody is "stuck" at OS X Mountain Lion.
 
alexjohnson said:
Your advice is good and people should submit reports but I think you're wrong about the usefulness of posting: it helps people know they are not alone / crazy / dealing with a hardware issue.

I had the external monitor issue with my HTPC Mac mini:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1613439/
Relevance being, it only has an external monitor and no way to run Console etc., at least before one successful start-up to get in remotely. Initially, I thought the install was corrupted - there was a simultaneous Firmware update - and in trying to fix it, managed to make the disk unreadable. That's when I also found out that reinstallation from the Recovery Partition wasn't yet functional. I didn't yet have a back-up - clean install so no data to lose, and I was going to back up only at DP5 to save the incremental steps in future. Painful. I got it back (the Target Disk Mode, partition, erase the partition when done route), but the same thing happened again on the DP2 -> DP3 upgrade. This time, as clearly the hardware was functional and it was reproducible, I was happier - but before wasting more time wanted to know if there was a workaround, or if the Mac mini needed to sit this one out. Other people sharing their experiences turned out to be very useful, and if they hadn't done that complaining, I'm not sure I'd have thought to remove the HDMI cable and remote in for the rest.

So yes, report the bugs, but don't knock the shared experience.
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Well that's why it said "just" :D
 
Loving DP6 so far, though I guess the only thing I've noticed is quicker animations. Is there a change log anywhere? The only thing else I think Mavericks needs would be some unification to iOS 7 art wise.
 
FrancoisC said:
Except that they did with DP5 ;)

Not sure if it was updated or not, but version number is 9.4.6 (901.26) on DP6.

Maybe iPhoto will be bundled with Mavericks... I wonder why it's even in the App Store, I mean they give it away with all mac purchase anyway :confused:
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I am sure it wasn't upgraded, but had to be patched to work with some API change in 10.9?
 
I get spinning wheel after two mins and few safari tabs opened. Anyone experience similar issue?
 
noiseordinance said:
Is it really negative for me to believe that Apple should really fix the current problems before moving on? I don't believe it is. I believe it to be a difference in opinion, and a justified one at that, as I am a customer. If you don't like it, tough. No, I have not run Mavericks, and nowhere did I say that I am running Mavericks. As my post indicated, I haven't read too deeply into it. All I know is the new features that will be noticeable on the surface, and none of these are exciting.

Wow, they improved performance for my rMBP? You are right, I SHOULD be impressed! To heck with improving performance for Mountain Lion; I should PAY more money to have the performance expected of a $2500 machine. Yes, sign me up to pay more money so I don't have graphical lag! :rolleyes:

(For the record, calling a user's comments "worthless" because they are of a different mindset than yours simply makes you look like an ignorant trollolol.)
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Upgrades are £19.99, you spent £2500 on a laptop and are complaining about spending more money. I fail to see the logic...
 
BornAgainMac said:
From past experience, Apple doesn't like to release everything at the same time. My theory is that iOS 7 will be released in September and later the new iPhone (The usual complaining will be posted about the new iPhone here on September 10th). My guess is that Mavericks will be released 2 to 3 weeks before the new iPad and the iPad will be at the end of October and Mavericks near the beginning of October. The new Mac Pro will most likely be launched in November.

If Mavericks comes out later then that meant that it still had some beta issues that had not been resolved yet.
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There is a great deal of plausibility in what you say here, but it seems to me as Apple tends more towards integrating iOS and OS X, that will nudge them towards releasing the updates together so that everything works smoothly with one another.

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n-evo said:
OS X Mavericks isn't ready for prime time yet and shouldn't be used on production machines or in other situations where you have to rely on a stable system. It's that simple.
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Well I've been running it on my main machine since DP1 with no major issues (I'm well aware of the risks).

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oatman13 said:
Just be glad you got 4.1... Remember, everybody stuck in Mountain Lion is stuck at 3.2. I'm really irritated that they won't give Mountain Lion customers 4.1 though. Game developers need as many OS X users as possible running the latest OpenGL versions or else they'll continue to write OpenGL 3 programs.
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All ML systems are capable of running Mavericks, so why should Apple feel the need to update ML? We don't know the price of Mavericks yet, and if Mavericks was free, your irritation would be nonsense since you could easily update to the newer OpenGL versions. And even if its not free, but cheap like ML was, it's a worthy upgrade.

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noiseordinance said:
I should PAY more money to have the performance expected of a $2500 machine. Yes, sign me up to pay more money so I don't have graphical lag! :rolleyes:
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I didn't realise the pricing for Mavericks was announced. How much is it going to cost?
 
Risco said:
Upgrades are £19.99, you spent £2500 on a laptop and are complaining about spending more money. I fail to see the logic...
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Well let's get this straight, my original post said that I wasn't too excited about the updates seen in Mavericks, and that I agree that Mountain Lion should be fixed first. Someone replied that I should be excited about Apple fixing problems such as UI lag, to which I replied that it seems silly to have to pay for a UI fix. Apple should fix UI problems with Mountain Lion, IMO. Do you fail to see that logic as well? I realize this idea might seem a little... how would Sarah Palin say... "Mavericky"... but paying for fixes is pretty sad on a premium device.

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JohnDoe98 said:
I didn't realise the pricing for Mavericks was announced. How much is it going to cost?
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It wasn't announced, so I'm not really sure. I'd imagine it will be nominal. But given Apple's history, is there even the slightest chance it's going to be free?
 
noiseordinance said:
Well let's get this straight, my original post said that I wasn't too excited about the updates seen in Mavericks, and that I agree that Mountain Lion should be fixed first. Someone replied that I should be excited about Apple fixing problems such as UI lag, to which I replied that it seems silly to have to pay for a UI fix. Apple should fix UI problems with Mountain Lion, IMO. Do you fail to see that logic as well? I realize this idea might seem a little... how would Sarah Palin say... "Mavericky"... but paying for fixes is pretty sad on a premium device.

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It wasn't announced, so I'm not really sure. I'd imagine it will be nominal. But given Apple's history, is there even the slightest chance it's going to be free?
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I don't mind paying £20 as it has a lot of under the hood fixes and is a lot faster. Now if it cost £99 then you would have a very big point.
 
jeffzoom91 said:
Try running the beta AppleTV builds out on the developer site.

Back when they were first doing Airplay mirroring from Macs, running the AppleTV beta builds was the only way to make it work properly.

Load it up with the beta and report back?

Pop open console.app and see if there's anything useful there.

If it still fails, submit a useful bug report!
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Good advice, but I’m not the one who cares that it’s broken - I was just confirming it so the original poster would know it wasn’t just affecting him/her.

I wouldn’t want to load beta AppleTV code because I depend on iOS 6 Airplay mirroring and don’t use OS X Airplay
 
noiseordinance said:
It wasn't announced, so I'm not really sure. I'd imagine it will be nominal. But given Apple's history, is there even the slightest chance it's going to be free?
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They used to charge for iLife, but now it's free with new computer purchases. They used to charge for iOS updates, now they are free. They used to charge for iWork, but since the iCloud version is free, it sure seems like the iOS and OS X versions are on a path to becoming free. So yes, I'd say there is a chance OS X will be free. Might not be a high probability, but there is a chance.
 
Well this beta version is nothing but headaches for me right now. First whenever something freezes and you force quit it a window will pop up asking if you want to send a crash report well guess want that window is frozen as well can't force quit it and you get that spinning beach ball all day until i hard reboot only way, the crash report window prevents you from clicking on the Apple icon on the top left corner of your screen to restart the laptop. Also enhance dictation still does not work. I just ran into a problem it seems that parallel desktop Build 8.0.18608 is not connecting any of my USB devices it worked yesterday before i updated but now its broken.
 
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Zakareas said:
Has anyone tried mirroring anything to their Apple TV since DP6 was released? I think it broke it for me, screen remains black, and there's nothing that can fix it.

Wondering if it's a bug of DP6 or if somethings wrong with my setup :S
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Mine has the same issue. Running Developer Preview 6 on brand new MacBook Air.:mad:
 
Darkozon said:
Hi,
There is no OpenGL driver/support update in DP6, eg. it has full OpenGL 4.1 core support and only 2 out of 12 OpenGL 4.2 features.

Lets hope we get full 4.2 support at least at next DP or GM/Release.
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Let's hope we get stable and fast graphics performance on 4.1 first.
 
Mavericks/Firefox/Google Chrome/PowerPoint

I have noticed a problem scrolling using magic mouse while in Firefox and Google Chrome. It works when I first boot into Mavericks then scrolling with magic mouse stops working. Anyone else notice this problem? I will need to use Safari for the time being.......

As previously posted there is indeed an issue with Microsoft Office 2011 with PowerPoint. The slides in the Sorter are upside down and backwards---hopefully Microsoft will address this with an update.

Also if merge finder windows leaves ghost image on desktop......
 
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noiseordinance said:
Is it really negative for me to believe that Apple should really fix the current problems before moving on? I don't believe it is. I believe it to be a difference in opinion, and a justified one at that, as I am a customer. If you don't like it, tough. No, I have not run Mavericks, and nowhere did I say that I am running Mavericks. As my post indicated, I haven't read too deeply into it. All I know is the new features that will be noticeable on the surface, and none of these are exciting.

Wow, they improved performance for my rMBP? You are right, I SHOULD be impressed! To heck with improving performance for Mountain Lion; I should PAY more money to have the performance expected of a $2500 machine. Yes, sign me up to pay more money so I don't have graphical lag! :rolleyes:

(For the record, calling a user's comments "worthless" because they are of a different mindset than yours simply makes you look like an ignorant trollolol.)
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Have you even submitted a bug report detailing the issue? They're not gonna magically know your problem exists if you don't.
 
JohnDoe98 said:
They used to charge for iLife, but now it's free with new computer purchases. They used to charge for iOS updates, now they are free. They used to charge for iWork, but since the iCloud version is free, it sure seems like the iOS and OS X versions are on a path to becoming free. So yes, I'd say there is a chance OS X will be free. Might not be a high probability, but there is a chance.
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I believe Apple necessarily has to charge for tax reasons.

They changed the way they do taxes for iOS products so updates would be free, but I don't believe the changed the way they do them for Macs.
 
The Mercurian said:
In no particular order:
Tabbed Finder
Multiple Monitors
Longer battery :)eek:)
Better performance due to memory compression magicness

Really - whats not to want ? I pay what 50 ?? and get my machine boosted like I just spend 300 on upgraded hardware.
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fair enough.
 
spacehog371 said:
I believe Apple necessarily has to charge for tax reasons.

They changed the way they do taxes for iOS products so updates would be free, but I don't believe the changed the way they do them for Macs.
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And what's to prevent them from changing the way they do taxes for Mac products?
 
Zakareas said:
Has anyone tried mirroring anything to their Apple TV since DP6 was released? I think it broke it for me, screen remains black, and there's nothing that can fix it.

Wondering if it's a bug of DP6 or if somethings wrong with my setup :S
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Same here. Judging from similar comments, this appears to be a general problem. Until DP6 Airplay worked very well.
 
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