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Apple Releases Safari 16 With Tab Group Start Pages, Cross-Device Syncing for Website Settings, Strong Password Updates and More

Heindijs said:
Handoff works with Chrome too right? I use Chrome and it shows up a little icon in the dock just fine. Or do you mean that Safari is truly seamless, like that you actually be at the same position on the page? I haven't tried that myself but if that's the case, I'd consider switching to Safari.
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it means I can have a browser full of tabs, close the lid on my laptop, open up safari on my iPad, and pick up right where I left off.

Chrome is actually my favorite desktop browser, but the lack of ad blocking and reader mode on the mobile apps are deal breakers for me. And Google being Google, they'll never allow it. But I can have my cake and eat it too on Safari desktop AND mobile.
 
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DataChris said:
OMG Apple needs to fire whoever decided to move the Bookmarks Side Links (Reading List, Shared, Tabs) to the bottom of the sidebar. This is such a UI fail. Forces you to mouse top to bottom of the window when moving back and forth between links. I can't even.
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Keyboard shortcuts are your friend. :)
 
I was really excited to see in the release notes that they'd added support for pinned tabs in tab groups.

Then I discovered it doesn't work the same way as the non-tab group view. I like how pinned tabs would compress to just the web page icon.
 
Hammerd said:
Safari is sadly chromium based
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It's not. Safari uses WebKit as its rendering engine which in turn is a fork of KHTML. Chrome used WebKit in the past as well, but Google switched to it's own WebKit fork called "Blink". Apple never switched Safari's rendering engine over to Blink. Nor is Safari (the app) based on the open-source Chromium project Chrome, Edge and Opera (among others) are based on.
 
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n-evo said:
It's not. Safari uses WebKit as its rendering engine which in turn is a fork of KHTML. Chrome used WebKit in the past as well, but Google switched to it's own WebKit fork called "Blink". Apple never switched Safari's rendering engine over to Blink. Nor is Safari (the app) based on the open-source Chromium project Chrome, Edge and Opera (among others) are based on.
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Thanks for the explanation!
 
Lack of uBlock Origin support, and decent cookie management, are the two reasons I stick with Firefox.

I'd like to switch to Safari as it has its advantages, but for me the two issues above are blockers.
 
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Does anyone know how to download an installer/updater for Safari 16 on Monterey? My company has apparently blocked connections for Software Update.
 
No CSAM? GOOD!


My bad - thought it was iOS 16.


Got to check before I upgrade…
 
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No Safari 16 for Catalina? I personally love Safari. If it doesn't get a Catalina update, then it's safe to say Apple is completely done with Catalina? I knew the clock was ticking, but I thought we'd at least get a couple more months of support.
 
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Insidious said:
No Safari 16 for Catalina? I personally love Safari. If it doesn't get a Catalina update, then it's safe to say Apple is completely done with Catalina? I knew the clock was ticking, but I thought we'd at least get a couple more months of support.
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Is there a reason you haven't upgraded? As far as I know all Macs that support Catalina also support Big Sur. Might as well bite the bullet, Big Sur's final release was pretty stable.
 
zorinlynx said:
Is there a reason you haven't upgraded? As far as I know all Macs that support Catalina also support Big Sur. Might as well bite the bullet, Big Sur's final release was pretty stable.
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Not all Macs, sadly. Catalina is the end of the line for mine. Big Sur 11.7 came out today though. I may look into an unofficial method of installing it, or just use a different browser for now.
 
The Deal breaker for me is Background Tab Loading. My bookmarks have lots of tab groups. A single click opens 7 or 8 tabs, and in the past they would all load so each tab is ready to read, when you click it. Now for some reason, Apple changed that so that only the first tab loads. The other tabs don't load until you click them, so when I load a set of tabs from a bookmark, I have to manually click each tab one by one, and then back to the first one to start reading. Defeats the purpose completely. So after some research I just switched to Vivaldi. Has fantastic Tabs handling, and many other great features. It's just as fast and I am having fewer problems with sites not loading correctly, due to Safari's over zealous security rules. Until Apple brings back proper tab loading I will not be going back. I have read that they did this to save power, which may be useful to some European users nowadays.
 
Jimmy Goodwood said:
I have read that they did this to save power, which may be useful to some European users nowadays.
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Or, you know, to prolong the time you can use a MacBook before having to recharge it again. I find it doubtful the current energy crisis was on the top of their heads at Apple’s when implementing this.
 
ericg301 said:
it means I can have a browser full of tabs, close the lid on my laptop, open up safari on my iPad, and pick up right where I left off.

Chrome is actually my favorite desktop browser, but the lack of ad blocking and reader mode on the mobile apps are deal breakers for me. And Google being Google, they'll never allow it. But I can have my cake and eat it too on Safari desktop AND mobile.
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Ahh like that. Yeah that's useful. With Chrome it only works with a single tab at a time.

I still use Safari on my iPhone and iPad for the same reason as you. And surprisingly handoff does work between desktop Chrome and mobile Safari.
The lack of uBlock Origin on desktop Safari nowadays has been a deal breaker for me. AdGuard just doesnt work well enough for me
 
I love Safari tab group syncing when it works (nice workflow to open a URL in a particular tab group, and have it available on all other devices)... BUT I find that sync is often unreliable and just not working. Have tried checking/ unchecking safari iCloud in Prefs, reboot, may help for awhile but becomes a problem again. Are others finding tab sync unreliable?
 
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tabs are completely broken for me ... I am not able to move a tab from one Safari window to another ... and when I manage to do so, the tab duplicates to the second window ... and when I want to close one of those tabs, both close

buggy AF
 
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Steve121178 said:
Wipr is an excellent Safari adblocker for macOS & iOS.
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Does it also block the start of ads in Youtube?

ABP (and several other adblockers I've tried, including UBO) does this perfectly in Chrome, but for some reason in Safari 15.6 the initial ad still gets fully loaded, then a white overlay is displayed for ~5 seconds until the skip-ad countdown expires, and only then is the video proper presented, but must be manually started.

This painful 20 second delay every damned tiem really drains the joy out of using the otherwise excellent Safari!

Or maybe Safari 16 cures this defect in any case? [a tiny hope, I know]
 
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Steve121178 said:
Wipr is an excellent Safari adblocker for macOS & iOS.
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I bought Wipr but found it terrible tbh. Its over-aggressive removal of cookie pop-ups gave issues with a lot of sites for me, with no option to turn it off (except disabling Wipe altogether on a website) . I ended up switching to AdGuard.
 
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