Apple Releases Second Beta of macOS High Sierra 10.13.5 to Public Beta Testers

[Phil in ocala]

Are people finding High Sierra generally good at this stage? I had a bad experience with the first few builds of High Sierra and haven't tried since. the features didn't seem apparent to me, for the downgrades of bugs and shot battery life.

Im still on 10.12.6 Sierra on my 2016 nTB 13"

can't afford to have a crap OS on my only computer

??????? Why not just skip all these and release 10.4 or for that matter 11.0?

 

[Rorosbutt]

Have they put Preview back to the way it was? You used to be able to open multiple PDFs in preview and view them in thumbnail view. You can’t do that anymore. Each has its own window or tap. I miss the thumbnails. I used it to combine multiple PDFs and used thumbnails to rearrange files so they’d be in the order I’d like.

 

[Jaekae]

On a 2016 mbpr the high sierra has been better than all before, but now in .4 release its first time i havent noticed any bugs at all

 

[cmChimera]

I'm surprised to see people talk about battery drain. I have a 2016 MBP and, unless I'm doing CPU intensive stuff, my battery easily lasts through the day.

 

[whg]

iCloud Family Shared Storage (High Sierra only) has been a godsend for our Mac laptops which only have 128GB ssd and were perpetually short of space.

I upgraded my MacBook 15" (2015 model) to High Sierra (but still on HFS+) because I wanted my Apple Watch 3 to unlock the notebook. While I'm generally happy with High Sierra, I still have that abysmal battery drain in sleep mode (more than 10% in 24h). Before High Sierra the battery drain in sleep mode was much less (1-2% in 24h).

 

[qawes]

Same here, on my 2014 15" MBP, none of the problems aforementioned.

 

[yurc]

I have the latest HS on my mid 2010 mac pro and it is the stablest OS so far for my computer. I was on sierra but I was getting system freezes that multiplied after the security updates. There has not been one system freeze or crash since updating to HS 10.13.4

Same here. Probably HS is one of OSX I'm keep longer. I'm on High Sierra just for mature support for Radeon 500X and Vega GPUs. I'm 2012 model though.

Also, thanks to HS at least we receive a new cheese grater firmware at least, almost one decade.....lol.

Honestly this is the best, most stable modern OSX for cheese grater Mac Pro. Next MacOS unlikely support our lovely tower again, they probably heading just for recent Macs only.

 

[RednBlue]

Same here. Probably HS is one of OSX I'm keep longer. I'm on High Sierra just for mature support for Radeon 500X and Vega GPUs. I'm 2012 model though.

Also, thanks to HS at least we receive a new cheese grater firmware at least, almost one decade.....lol.

Honestly this is the best, most stable modern OSX for cheese grater Mac Pro............

Same here for MBP mid 2015...minor niggles on first couple of Beta releases but rock steady since then....no battery problems or unexpected crashes. High Sierra rocks.

 

[chucker23n1]

??????? Why not just skip all these and release 10.4 or for that matter 11.0?

10.4 was released thirteen years ago.

 

[tresmith]

I don't want my messages saved in the cloud. I just want them to be synced that is all.
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Are people finding High Sierra generally good at this stage? I had a bad experience with the first few builds of High Sierra and haven't tried since. the features didn't seem apparent to me, for the downgrades of bugs and shot battery life.

Im still on 10.12.6 Sierra on my 2016 nTB 13"

can't afford to have a crap OS on my only computer

I haven't noticed anything major since the first install. A glitch here a glitch there nothing that had me pulling my hair out.

 

[hsotnicam8002]

Magic track pad issues. Reported.

 

[csurfr]

I upgraded my MacBook 15" (2015 model) to High Sierra (but still on HFS+) because I wanted my Apple Watch 3 to unlock the notebook. While I'm generally happy with High Sierra, I still have that abysmal battery drain in sleep mode (more than 10% in 24h). Before High Sierra the battery drain in sleep mode was much less (1-2% in 24h).

My iMac is HFS+ and my MacBook Pro is APFS, both unlock with my S3 Apple Watch just fine. What are the concerns you have? Also, the drain on my 2017 MbP is around the 1% you mentioned in Sierra. It used to be higher, but that seems to have been ironed out as well.

 

[Squuiid]

My iMac is HFS+ and my MacBook Pro is APFS, both unlock with my S3 Apple Watch just fine. What are the concerns you have? Also, the drain on my 2017 MbP is around the 1% you mentioned in Sierra. It used to be higher, but that seems to have been ironed out as well.

If you take into account his correct use of punctuation you'll see that you misinterpreted what he said
He upgraded to HS so that he could unlock with his Apple Watch. That's it.

 

[csurfr]

If you take into account his correct use of punctuation you'll see that you misinterpreted what he said
He upgraded to HS so that he could unlock with his Apple Watch. That's it.

Yep, you’re right. I read it as he stayed on HFS+ because APFS would have given him a problem with the AW. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[extrachrispy]

If you still haven't updated to High Sierra, DON'T. Sierra was a better OS, and there are no real benefits with High Sierra (unless you want to use an eGPU). It's basically the same system with a new slower file system (vs HFS), startup and overall response is slightly slower, there are various bugs depending upon which Mac model you use etc...etc... The latest 10.13.4 update made things worse, not better (introduced new bugs with both my iMac Pro and MacBook). This is like walking backwards into the future.

Slower file system? You realize that HFS+ was much less re-entrant than APFS, and thus represented a HUGE multiprocessing bottleneck, right?

Your experience does not mirror mine.

 

[Mac32]

Slower file system? You realize that HFS+ was much less re-entrant than APFS, and thus represented a HUGE multiprocessing bottleneck, right?

Your experience does not mirror mine.

I've seen benchmarks of APFS, and it performed slower in most cases than HFS.

 

[extrachrispy]

I've seen benchmarks of APFS, and it performed slower in most cases than HFS.

There are benchmarks, and there are benchmarks. Multithreaded fio doing 4K random reads and writes is the gold standard. If you have seen a benchmark of that which shows HFS+ to outperform APFS, I'd love to see it.

 

[chucker23n1]

APFS handles threading better, but also generally has more overhead. Thus, whether the performance is better or worse depends on your scenario.

 

[strangeengine]

It looks like Time Machine backups are broken in this release - mine keep coming up as corrupted and it wants to start a new backup. When I let it do that, the new base backup comes up corrupted too.

 

[mudflap]

Have they put Preview back to the way it was? You used to be able to open multiple PDFs in preview and view them in thumbnail view. You can’t do that anymore. Each has its own window or tap. I miss the thumbnails. I used it to combine multiple PDFs and used thumbnails to rearrange files so they’d be in the order I’d like.

Preview > Preferences > Images

 

[anthogag]

Why does Feedback send diagnostic files when I send only a "Suggestion". Sending a suggestion should be quick.

The whole process of sending diagnostic files attachments takes while.

 

[mwined]

I have the latest HS on my mid 2010 mac pro and it is the stablest OS so far for my computer. I was on sierra but I was getting system freezes that multiplied after the security updates. There has not been one system freeze or crash since updating to HS 10.13.4

Going from Sierra to High Sierra is technically speaking an upgrade, not an update. It's okay. Lot's of folks use them interchangeably.

 

[Rorosbutt]

Preview > Preferences > ImagesView attachment 758984

That opens them up in one window but multiple tabs. The old way you could drag and drop into the thumbnail section and rearrange as needed. Thanks!

 

[m_emelchenkov]

HD3000 bug with ICC profiles still not fixed?

 

[RedTomato]

How is that relevant to what I said?

You said HS has been crap. I gave an example of a specific HS-only feature saving me several hundred pounds.