Apple Releases Update to Mac OS X Lion Developer Preview 2

[KnightWRX]

It's paper and nothing more. Whenever some Mac weenie is like "we're REAL UNIX unlike Linux" I know I can safely just slap him. Certification means very little. Actual POSIX compliance—among other things—is what matters.

Certification means executing a test suite successfully, which includes a full POSIX compliance module. So what you say matters is what OS X has. But you knew that right ?

Getting the right to use the Unix trademark from The Open Group is far from a trivial matter that means very little. You'd have to know very little about what it means to be UNIX certified to post such a comment.

 

[3282868]

They used to publish changelogs before they switch to the new ADC.

I miss those days. This iOS style (GUI and OS X beta development) isn't wow'ing me. Not liking the grey icons, launchpad is a useless addition to application organization that works better with iOS multi-touch devices, no TRIM for third party Sandforce SSD's yet, OpenGL is lagging, no R.I., and no more change log's for developers. The iOS $99 membership (a huge drop from the $499+) is simply a way for Apple to grab money from non-developers and possibly receive feedback that is more consumer than developer driven.

 

[3282868]

Snow Lion?

Funny fact: All the OS X names match to German tanks:

German tanks and OSX

Apple Mac OS X Versions Named After German Tanks?

Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah
Tank: Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard (Gepard in German means Cheetah in English)
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma
Tank: Sd.Kfz. 234/2 “Puma”
Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar
Tanks: Jaguar 1 and Jaguar 2
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther
Tank: Panther
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Tanks: Tiger 1 and Tiger 2
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
Tanks: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Haven’t found the corresponding tank yet, but I’m sure it exists…

 

[wizard]

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Learn from Google? What has Google developed that's anything close to an OS? And no, Chrome OS doesn't count...it's a giant web browser, with Cloud Apps...

TROLL

By that same vein, what has Apple ever developed that's anything close to a OS ? And no, Mac OS X, a bunch of components bought/taken from the open source community doesn't count... it's just a Unix distribution with a GUI layer on top.

It's easy to discount anything going with that mentality. The fact is, Chrome OS is as much an undertaking as OS X was. It's more than just a "Web browser" since web browsers cannot be booted and don't provide graphical sub-systems, input management and process scheduling obviously.

(yes, I do realise Mac OS Classic existed).

And to answer your question directly : Android.

Android what a laugh! The OS is Linux which they effectively forked. The SDK is built on a Java work alike, a work a like that has a questionable amount of others people's code in it. On top of that they purchased the company that started out developing the concept of Android.

It is reasonable to question if Android is even an ethical product. I don't think it is thus I steer people away from it. I don't want to discount the intelligence of the people working at Google, but I don't think the management there has any respect for the property of others. Android is just one factor here, google has problems with copyright and the concept of personal property.

 

[derekamoss]

OS X is Unix, it is not Unix-like much like Linux.

It is the real deal, Unix '03 certified and all. The BSD userland qualifies as genuine Unix and the kernel provides the entire required POSIX syscall interfaces to pass the certification tests :

http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3581.htm

So yes, in a sense, OS X is built on top of Unix, NeXT's implementation of it which happens to use a Berkeley userland and a Carnegie made Mach kernel.

I'm pretty sure they probably got certified to call it Unix because even non tech people have at least heard the name Unix instead of Mach/BSD.

 

[WeegieMac]

Folders still animate poorly in Launchpad (opening and closing) and transitions to and from full screen mode on Safari is a little choppy.

It certainly feels stable enough though.

 

[j-traxx]

By that same vein, what has Apple ever developed that's anything close to a OS ? And no, Mac OS X, a bunch of components bought/taken from the open source community doesn't count... it's just a Unix distribution with a GUI layer on top.

It's easy to discount anything going with that mentality. The fact is, Chrome OS is as much an undertaking as OS X was. It's more than just a "Web browser" since web browsers cannot be booted and don't provide graphical sub-systems, input management and process scheduling obviously.

(yes, I do realise Mac OS Classic existed).

And to answer your question directly : Android.

fail. google didnt make android. and the fact that you used a winking smiley to illustrate your victoryfail makes it all the more sad. :-(

 

[Erwin-Br]

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Android what a laugh! The OS is Linux which they effectively forked. The SDK is built on a Java work alike, a work a like that has a questionable amount of others people's code in it. On top of that they purchased the company that started out developing the concept of Android.

Ah. You mean similar as to how Apple purchased NeXT and based OS X on their NeXTSTEP OS?

Give it up. This has been discussed to death already.

fail. google didnt make android. and the fact that you used a winking smiley to illustrate your victoryfail makes it all the more sad. :-(

See above.

 

[Giuly]

Grab yourself a copy of xdelta and do your fancy small update package yourself. There's even no need to look at Google, this was common practice on Gentoo GNU/Linux years ago. I remember running a satellite server myself. However, that were ISDN/Analog/DSL 765k days, who on 16MBit cares whether the updates are 30 or 300MB anymore, as long as Apple hosts the files?

 

[mkehll]

Safari error message

Noticed a new Safari error message. For example try visiting: http://safarierrormessage.com/ Getting more and more polish! Hope we get GM soon!

 

[dethmaShine]

Ah. You mean similar as to how Apple purchased NeXT and based OS X on their NeXTSTEP OS?

Give it up. This has been discussed to death already.



See above.

You really think OS X is just a rip off NeXTSTEP?

As you said its based and a lot of things were shared but it isn't like they said; here's OSX, NeXTSTEP build by Apple.

OSX shares a lot from the opensource community; so does windows;, Android, Symbian, etc etc.

What's the big deal?

 

[KnightWRX]

fail. google didnt make android. and the fact that you used a winking smiley to illustrate your victoryfail makes it all the more sad. :-(

How is that different from how Apple "acquired" iOS and OS X ? Yet no one is going to claim Apple didn't build those 2 OSes.

Again, some of you guys need to put the Google hate to rest. This is not the thread for it and to diminish their efforts on Chrome OS and Android is to do the same to OS X since the histories and origins are similar (acquisitions and open source projects).

And I will not stand by anyone who does that to Apple's efforts with OS X.

 

[KnightWRX]

Apple didn't buy iOS/OS X. They created it from scratch using components from UNIX/NeXTSTEP. Simple.

First, OS X is very much like the last versions of NeXTSTEP was, aside from Quartz/Appkit frameworks and GUI layer. Foundation is basically what was shipping in the 90s, the kernel/BSD userland, etc...

Apple has done a lot of work on it, and I've said so in my posts several times. I'm not diminishing their work in anyway. Again, I'm simply stating that pissing over Google because they "acquired" and used "open source" is quick disingenuous in the face of Apple having done the same for both their flagship OSes.

It's great that Google bought Android but there's a very few things google have done on their own.

How do you know ? You saw Android in 2005 ? You can seriously compare what Andy's company made back then to what is actually shipping now ? The evolution from Android 1.0 to 2.3/3.0 is quite astounding by itself, who knows what went on between 2005 and version 1.0 that shipped in late 2009.

Why even attempt to diminish the work ? Apple does the same acquisition, they use open source projects to quicken development. The histories are similar, the goals are similar. Why hate Google over it, and why do you think it doesn't also reflect on Apple when you do ?

I will leave the rest of your post out and just report it to the mods instead. I suggest editing your post to remove your clear lack of respect. If you want to discuss the merits of each at the fine detail, I don't think this is the thread for it. Again, let's drop the Google hate and talk OS X instead.

 

[roadbloc]

Uh please.

It's great that Google bought Android but there's a very few things google have done on their own.

Uh please.

Google has done a helluva lot to Android since they bought it. Android is unrecognisable now to what it was in 05. They have simply bought a brand name to get their product popular.

In other words, you are talking rubbish sir. Stop accusing people of trolling, when they are simply telling it how it is.

 

[dethmaShine]

First, OS X is very much like the last versions of NeXTSTEP was, aside from Quartz/Appkit frameworks and GUI layer. Foundation is basically what was shipping in the 90s, the kernel/BSD userland, etc...

Apple has done a lot of work on it, and I've said so in my posts several times. I'm not diminishing their work in anyway.

Yeah, OS X is pretty much the same. There's nothing that apple has put in it. Most of the frameworks are derived from NeXTSTEP. Happy now?

Again, I'm simply stating that pissing over Google because they "acquired" and used "open source" is quick disingenuous in the face of Apple having done the same for both their flagship OSes.

No one is pissing over google's work. It was a response to one of your s*****[censored] comments, here:

By that same vein, what has Apple ever developed that's anything close to a OS ? And no, Mac OS X, a bunch of components bought/taken from the open source community doesn't count... it's just a Unix distribution with a GUI layer on top.

You replied to a person who was talking about ChromeOS being just a giant browser which is absolutely true.

You sound like one of those people on engadget who are always claiming that Apple has just been copying/modifying stuff and selling it as their own.

How do you know ? You saw Android in 2005 ? You can seriously compare what Andy's company made back then to what is actually shipping now ? The evolution from Android 1.0 to 2.3/3.0 is quite astounding by itself, who knows what went on between 2005 and version 1.0 that shipped in late 2009.

That's not what I meant. I meant that Google buys a lot of companies and makes a lot of acquisitions and sell their product as Google's. There's nothing bad in that. But there's nothing false about it as well. Developing/Not developing Android was never my point.

Why even attempt to diminish the work ? Apple does the same acquisition, they use open source projects to quicken development. The histories are similar, the goals are similar. Why hate Google over it, and why do you think it doesn't also reflect on Apple when you do ?

OK, which company doesn't? Apple does it too. But they are not buying other people's products and just selling them outright. You know you're dreaming when you claim that Mac OS X has very less to do with apple and much to do with every other thing they 'copied'.

I will leave the rest of your post out and just report it to the mods instead. I suggest editing your post to remove your clear lack of respect. If you want to discuss the merits of each at the fine detail, I don't think this is the thread for it. Again, let's drop the Google hate and talk OS X instead.

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Are you the one who's talking about lack of respect? Just look at your post history. You call people fools; you tell them they don't know anything.

Nevermind, please report. Thanks.

Very well said, just like you insert pro-google comments in every other thread.

 

[dethmaShine]

Uh please.

Google has done a helluva lot to Android since they bought it. Android is unrecognisable now to what it was in 05. They have simply bought a brand name to get their product popular.

In other words, you are talking rubbish sir. Stop accusing people of trolling, when they are simply telling it how it is.

That's simply not what I meant.

And just so that you came to google developing android, they pretty much copied the entire iOS for what it did at that time and have been copying since.

Not denying that they didn't do anything themselves; but Google's Android OS looked moistly like iOS in late 2009. Simply a bad ripoff.

This comes from a Nexus S user; truth isn't that far off from reality.

 

[ghostlyorb]

I hope this OS is to be bought & downloaded through the App Store and updates come through the generic "software update".

I think it will be on the App Store.. and via a physical disk. I have friends who don't have fast enough internet to even play xboxlive.. and have a high-speed limit of like 500MBs a day. So yeah.

 

[KnightWRX]

No one is pissing over google's work. It was a response to one of your s*****[censored] comments, here:

Don't remove the , it indicates the sarcasm in that comment. I was pointing out to the guy the fallacy of his argument in diminishing Google's work that he was also diminishing Apple's work on OS X.

I believe both companies have a lot of merit for what they did. I'm not pro-anything or anti-anything here. The point of my comment was to say that Apple and Google put in a lot of effort into making their OSes.

Now you're arguing what exactly aside from just wanting to insult me ?

You replied to a person who was talking about ChromeOS being just a giant browser which is absolutely true.

Absolutely true ? When did Web browsers start to do process scheduling, user input, graphical sub-systems, GUI frameworks, hardware interaction, etc.. etc..

Chrome OS is much more than a browser, it's very much a OS who's desktop environnement happens to be a Web browser, rather than a file explorer like Finder.

Again, let's drop the Google hate. It has no place in this thread. Why do you insist on beating on them ? Leave the corporate politic between Steve and Eric (now Larry) and let's discuss OS X some.

 

[dethmaShine]

Don't remove the , it indicates the sarcasm in that comment. I was pointing out to the guy the fallacy of his argument in diminishing Google's work that he was also diminishing Apple's work on OS X.

I believe both companies have a lot of merit for what they did. I'm not pro-anything or anti-anything here. The point of my comment was to say that Apple and Google put in a lot of effort into making their OSes.

Now you're arguing what exactly aside from just wanting to insult me ?

I don't know if he was talking foul about Apple's work.

Absolutely true ? When did Web browsers start to do process scheduling, user input, graphical sub-systems, GUI frameworks, hardware interaction, etc.. etc..

Chrome OS is much more than a browser, it's very much a OS who's desktop environnement happens to be a Web browser, rather than a file explorer like Finder.

So you think, Google's Chrome OS invented or made all these things possible?
Were there no browsers before?

Again, let's drop the Google hate. It has no place in this thread. Why do you insist on beating on them ? Leave the corporate politic between Steve and Eric (now Larry) and let's discuss OS X some.

Sure, lets drop that. Sure.

I don't insist. I for once really like them on certain grounds, but absolutely don't on the other. Similarly with Apple; as both are for-profit organizations.

 

[mabaker]

Uh please.

Google has done a helluva lot to Android since they bought it. Android is unrecognisable now to what it was in 05. They have simply bought a brand name to get their product popular.

In other words, you are talking rubbish sir. Stop accusing people of trolling, when they are simply telling it how it is.

Google done HELLUVA work after Schmidt got onto the board of directors of Apple and got all the details he needed to copy every single thing?

Google fanboiis fail to see the reality how it is. Truth hurts.

 

[Wayfarer]

Apple could make them an option in System Preferences

View attachment 281525

YES! We have a choice! Thanks for pointing this out.

Dear Apple,

I LOVE THE SLIDER BUTTONS!

End of story.

 

[Nielsenius]

I just want to point out that there is an apparent disparity between the new Finder view options (icons, Cover Flow, etc) and the "Select File" view options. It would seem that either Apple forgot to change the slider look in the selection window, or they mistakenly changed it in Finder.

One more change I noticed is Preview quitting after exiting the last open Preview window. I love this particular change because having that Preview icon in the dock always bugged me.

 

[WeegieMac]

How is that different from how Apple "acquired" iOS and OS X ? Yet no one is going to claim Apple didn't build those 2 OSes.

Again, some of you guys need to put the Google hate to rest. This is not the thread for it and to diminish their efforts on Chrome OS and Android is to do the same to OS X since the histories and origins are similar (acquisitions and open source projects).

And I will not stand by anyone who does that to Apple's efforts with OS X.

Google bought Android and with Schmidt on the Apple board hoovering up ideas from the iPhone, Android became what it is today.

Anybody who refutes that is either blind or stupid.

I loathe Google for their Microsoft-esque lack of imagination, just as much as I loathe Samsung and their utterly lazy attempt at R&D for their Galaxy S smartphones, the logic of which equates to:

iPhone 3GS design + we like it + let's copy it + bigger screen + cheap imitation look = Galaxy S.

iPhone 4 design + we like it + let's copy it + bigger screen + cheap imitation look = Galaxy S2.

Again, anybody who cannot see the obvious similarities is either blind or stupid.

 

[dethmaShine]

Google bought Android and with Schmidt on the Apple board hoovering up ideas from the iPhone, Android became what it is today.

Anybody who refutes that is either blind or stupid.

or a troll or all of them.

And now, lets get back to OS X.

 

[WeegieMac]

or a troll or all of them.

And now, lets get back to OS X.

Indeed.

My only issue with Lion DP2 and the subsequent update is the animations (I sound like a broken record between this and iOS 4.3).

Everything else is relatively solid thus far.