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Ah how I love the manic lifecycle of the hardcore deluded on this board.

wait wait wait wait hype hype hype hype wait wait wait wait excitement glee optimism dreaming disappointment wait wait wait wait hype hype hype hype DELIVERY! disappointment whining threats anger suicide hope rumor speculation wait wait wait...

Lather, rinse, repeat. :p

For the quad-core whiners, the i7 included in the update is the FASTEST, NEWEST, MOST EFFICIENT dual core processor available from Intel at the moment. For the vast majority of mobile applications it is FAR more suitable than the quad-core chip with a 55W TDP that has no business outside of anything other than a luggable mobile workstation that will pretty much always be hooked up to wall power.

Too much magic pixie dust floating around in here.

Eagerly anticipating the start of the next "I'm waiting for unobtanium" thread though. ;)
 
Wow, that's really a let down. I was hoping to get the same performance as the iMac Quad Core i7, nothing. It's still a dual core i7...

The iMac i7 is Lynnfield; the MBPs were never going to get that. Clarksfield was the only option for quad-core, but realistically the MBPs weren't going to get that either.

My 13" MacBook Pro is no longer "new." I love it all the same, but these updates really rub it in.

Really? My late 2008 aluminum unibody 13" Macbook, with 2.4GHz C2D and 4MB RAM still stacks up pretty good against the "new" 13" MBP. 13" is it for me as far as a laptop goes, and this announcement certainly gives me no motivation to upgrade.

Remember that the MB 13" was renamed to PRO just because it received an aluminum enclosure, a backlit keyboard and firewire... Blame Apple for that! ;)

You mean adding Firewire made it a Pro. :rolleyes: My Macbook already had those other things.
 
And quality of your response is excellent :D "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Really? Very fresh thought. It has become a motto of Apple apologists. Did you know that there are different i7 processors? Some have 2 cores (used by Apple) and some have 4 cores whih some people would prefer. And... no BluRay, no USB 3.0, no RGB LED screens, no quad SSDs - not much of an update. Apple laptops have been lagging behind PC counterparts for a while now. Imagine what the gap will be in a year.

I'll give you the first point, for sure :D. It's an overused cliche phrase that I found myself using today, but don't be mistaken, I'm not an apple apologist. There's a reason I don't go around flouting my hardware and screaming flash is dead. With that said, it really does apply at times. Consumers dictate the market. It never fails to amaze me how some people will go around bitching and carrying on about a product that doesn't meet their expectations expecting for someone to care and/or listen when there is plenty of other viable alternatives present. If it doesn't work for your needs, go buy something else! I personally feel like this a lackluster upgrade, and if I needed a laptop, I'd simply buy one from somewhere else and hackintosh it, without all of the excessive complaining.

Now I'm going to play devils advocate.

For the i7 processors, yes, I am quite aware there is a difference, in this case its an i7m thats a dual core. Regardless, there ARE performance gains. Having a quad core would be nice, but we'll address that later.

As for BluRay, USB 3.0, RGB LED screens... well, I'll give you the last one. That one should definitely be an easy fix, and to that, its shame on apple, if people actually cared. As for BR, I feel like it is mostly people screaming for it just because its been out for some time, but have no real use for it. Ignoring the legal issues with the licensing and restrictive system level DRM, what do you really need it for? (I'm not saying this one way or the other, its rhetorical). If you actually have a real need for it that doesn't include movies, then you have a valid point to complain about. I bet most people on here don't. As for USB 3.0... has apple ever been fast to adopt? What externals are out there that you need it for? If the answer is none, and no externals you need require it, then please, stop using this as a point. (Plus if lightpeak turns out as good as its rumored to be, id rather have that, since we know apple fails at port diversity).

Previously I said something about the quad cores... once again, what do you need it for? Really though. If you're doing work on it, cool. Then again though, you should probably be doing that on a desktop, not a laptop. It's not like its ideal for rendering or anything else. Chances are that most people on this forum don't actually need a quad core either. If you do, please, get another laptop. But enjoy your battery life.

I think that most people overlook the battery life, and simply choose to bitch and moan about lack of features they don't really need over something they do need, more power. if you want your tricked out quad core mobile personal space heater with usb3.0, ssd, etc, go buy one, but personally, id rather have a 10 hour battery.

As for your final statement, Apple laptops have always been lagging behind PC counterparts. The gap in a year will be the same as its always been, marginally behind. Thus has been the status quo for awhile, and it will remain as such. This update is just as blase as any other, and I really don't see the need for all of the inordinate bitching.

Apple apologist phrase or not, in this case it holds quite true: If it doesn't meet your needs and/or requirements, go buy something else, no ones forcing you to buy apple. I also get the feeling that some apple users really fail at hands on technology... if the hard-drive doesn't suit your needs, put something else in. Same goes for the RAM, except the MOBO has a 8 gb limit, as far as I'm aware. You can do both of these cheaply, relative to apple's pricing.
 
I look forward to Apple Update/Release days soley to hop in this site to read the forums. It's like a train wreck, I just HAVE to read all the posts.

I personally don't see the reason for the complaints, but I am not a heavy user. Each update the 13" MBP looks better and better to me - especially the 10 hour battery life unibody enclosure. Except for a slight reduction in battery life, my 2.5 year old MB still runs like new so I won't be getting one anytime soon. But it sure is tempting....


Ah how I love the manic lifecycle of the hardcore deluded on this board.

wait wait wait wait hype hype hype hype wait wait wait wait excitement glee optimism dreaming disappointment wait wait wait wait hype hype hype hype DELIVERY! disappointment whining threats anger suicide hope rumor speculation wait wait wait...

Lather, rinse, repeat. :p

For the quad-core whiners, the i7 included in the update is the FASTEST, NEWEST, MOST EFFICIENT dual core processor available from Intel at the moment. For the vast majority of mobile applications it is FAR more suitable than the quad-core chip with a 55W TDP that has no business outside of anything other than a luggable mobile workstation that will pretty much always be hooked up to wall power.

Too much magic pixie dust floating around in here.

Eagerly anticipating the start of the next "I'm waiting for unobtanium" thread though. ;)
 
That Toshiba is also a big giant piece of garbage. You're right though, if you care mostly about specs, and don't care about build quality, weight and thickness (almost 7 pounds, over 1.5" thick), or a crappy screen, go for it.

Ultimately you have to decide what you want to pay for. It's always been true that you could buy PC laptops for a very low price, and make sacrifices for specs.

Well, as I said in the other thread, Apple gets far more credit than they deserve.

Build quality isn't nearly as good as Apple fans claim. I've had two systems replaced because of poor build quality and spend a combined total of more than two months without my Mac because of it and shoddy repair service.

The Toshiba I linked to weighs a pound more than the 15.4" MacBook Pro. Thats not even a full hamburger at some fast food restaurants.

Thickness is a non-issue. It gets carried in a bag. Plus that extra iPod classic worth of thickness means you get REAL hardware. Not a dual core Core i7.

Crappy screen? I'd like to see your proof of that.
 
Well I looked online and it seems that I could sell my not even one year old 13" MBP for $1000 and then upgrade to a new MBP for 1280. Soooo a new laptop with more ram, faster cpu and better gpu will only cost me $280. That sounds like a deal to me considering I was thinking about upgrading ram anyways.
 
Uhm.. dude... it's your dollar which is so low and it's basically your country which makes the dollar so low... not to mention how deep it will fall when your country finds out they can not pay back their depths.

So, if the MBP is like 1800 in USA, it would be around 1300 euro here, that's already including US taxes and Apples profit. To get it here, you won't pay 450 euro more PER notebook. So.. you fail. You failed hard there.

No, I didn't fail. My point was that different markets will bear different prices. Everything costs more for you because your market will bear it. You failed to understand what I'm saying. The majority of Apple's consumers in America won't buy a mac for much more than they cost here, where as you already are used to paying ridiculous prices for most things. If Apple raised the prices here, people would just buy Sony or Dell and that would be the end of it.

As for the guy correcting my capitalization, that's fine. Really though, I spell quite well and thanks for correcting those two for me. In the mean time, I'm still right, I'm not being a dick, I'm pointing out that there is a lot of superfluous whining regarding prices. If you have an issue, demand lower prices by not buying the products.
 
Plus that extra iPod classic worth of thickness means you get REAL hardware. Not a dual core Core i7.

I give you exhibit A. I'm guessing your main reason for wanting "quad core" is that four is two more than two?

I wish you the best of luck with that Toshiba.
 
Blimey! Apple really is directing its attentions elsewhere in terms of products!!

This was an excellent opportunity to implement a few vital needs for its pro users.

But I have a sneaky feeling that Apple would be annihilated if they were to add blu-ray to a laptop before adding it to their Mac Pro line!

Anyway, I'm not going to state the obvious facts of the way Apple has begun treating its loyal customers (I can give examples but I really don't fancy getting blitzed by the Fan Boys!)

Now, does anyone know if the price reduction of the 17" models apply to the UK???
 
Ah but don't forget all the discounts we enjoyed when the pound was trading at well over $2 a couple of years ago. No wait - we got shafted then too!

That sums Apple attitude to the UK up perfectly. Couldn't have put it better. We should be thanked by our American cousins. We've been substituting their cheap arse' for years.
 
Prices in germany are almost 1:1. This feels like such a rip-off to me. I wanted a 15" with a matte Screen but now this is gonna be 250,- Euros more.

Month of waiting and now ...

I agree that Apple is more expensive but what You and many other's seem to forget is that the prize You see on Apple america site are prizes before tax,this means they have to pay another $ 140 on a $2000 laptop.
I am in for a new one but I will wait until I fly back to Asia,makes a hell of a difference,especially Hongkong,check it out.
Hong Kong 15" i7 = Hk$ 16,788 = 1,589.47 Euro's
Europe(Holland) 15" i7 = 2,149.00 Euro's

Difference = 559,53 Euro's :D:D:D (Lucky Me)

Strange $ 2,199.00 = 1,616.32 EUR :confused: Before tax:confused:

Now that is strange,if I buy in HK its cheaper for Me than The States,that never happened before.
Yippee
 
Definitely updating!

Well, I sold my Powerbook G4 from 2004 last October. It did a great job and worked like a charm for over 5 years!

Now, after 6 months without a laptop, imagine - what an upgrade for me!

PB - 1GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, 120GB HD, sh***y graphics and so on...

MBP - 2.4 i5, 4GB RAM, 320 GB HD, excellent graphics and so on... (let alone that beautiful unibody...)

I wonder, will my new machine be at least a tiny bit faster and better than the old one?

:-D

So looking forward! I cannot wait to have one!

Long Live Apple!
 
Still no express card on 15 inch MBP... groan

Come on Apple, please get this one right. You need at least one 'Pro Machine' in a 15 inch form factor. And it ain't a Pro machine until it has an express card slot. One single fast(ish) connection (FW800) does not suffice.

After all the postings on the subject, and the long wait for the update, a large part of pro video and audio community had assumed that the express card slot would be re-instated in 15 inch MBPs. Simply being told to buy a 17 inch if you want a proper Pro machine isn't really good enough as it has too large a footprint for many uses.

Yet again this is going to force me to hold off my upgrade as I am far better off with a with a slower 15 inch with express card than a faster one without. Me and many, many others.
 
I give you exhibit A. I'm guessing your main reason for wanting "quad core" is that four is two more than two?

I wish you the best of luck with that Toshiba.

When you do the math and look at real world, non-synthetic benchmarks, the quad core Core i7 running 8 threads at a lower clock speed is a good 25% faster than the dual core Core i7 running 4 threads at a higher clock speed.

Oh and it's $1300 less.

For $2,200 I demand the BEST for my money. Not something that looks pretty but doesn't get the job done as fast or as good as systems costing well less than half as much.
 
Sorry if anyone has already said this, but did anyone notice the different place of the ir sensor on the 15 inch MacBook pro? Also the optical drive looks too high on the 13 inch...:eek: did apple mess up or are these changes to the design?
 
When you do the math and look at real world, non-synthetic benchmarks, the quad core Core i7 running 8 threads at a lower clock speed is a good 25% faster than the dual core Core i7 running 4 threads at a higher clock speed.

Oh and it's $1300 less.

For $2,200 I demand the BEST for my money. Not something that looks pretty but doesn't get the job done as fast or as good as systems costing well less than half as much.

OK, seriously, what are you waiting for then? Haven't you already placed your order for the fabulous 6.5 pound Toshiba with a quad core i7 and a 1366x768 15.6" res screen and a ~2 hour battery life?
 
why is i7 so weak??

"Top end" 17" i7 620M Macbook Pro:
dual core
32nm cpu
4mb l3 cache

Apple gave us an upgrade that's not really an upgrade. hhahahaha

the 620M is the weirdest i7 intel offers. it's a total red headed step child. the 720, 820, 920 all use 45nm. they all support ddr3 1333. and it's crippled with a 4mb l3 cache. damn it's honestly a rebadged core 2 duo again hhahah.

this is a cpu dell doesn't even offer on their studio 7 or xps 16 model, which I thought would have been the equivalent of a 17" high end mbp.

what's up apple?
 
"Top end" 17" i7 620M Macbook Pro:
dual core
32nm cpu
4mb l3 cache

Apple gave us an upgrade that's not really an upgrade. hhahahaha

the 620M is the weirdest i7 intel offers. it's a total red headed step child. the 720, 820, 920 all use 45nm. they all support ddr3 1333. and it's crippled with a 4mb l3 cache. damn it's honestly a rebadged core 2 duo again hhahah.

this is a cpu dell doesn't even offer on their studio 7 or xps 16 model, which I thought would have been the equivalent of a 17" high end mbp.

what's up apple?

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/specifications.htm

The Core i7 620M has a 35 W max TDP; the 720 and 820 have a 45 W max TDP. Check out the Core i7 720M in the HP Envy 15 if you want to see how that works out.

Also, I'm not clear if you were talking about those CPU's using 45nm instead of 32nm as a positive or what.
 
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