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For most common laptop sizes, it's less than half an inch gain horizontal, an inch or more loss vertical, and what I'd call substantially less area (10%).

Consider the example of a 1920x1080 (16:10) vs 1920x1200 (16x9) panel.

The 16:10 has 2,073,600 pixels. The 16:9 has 2,304,000. That's 10% more. So again, suggesting that losing 10% of your screen real estate and resolution is "ALWAYS better" is just plain deluded.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2328931,00.asp
1440x900 » 1600x900 is the only exception I can think of. There's also 1280x800 » 1366x768 and 1920x1200 » 2048x1152 which are give-and-takes.

That might be true - if you never ran your computer above idle. Of course, if you don't push the computer, why do you need more power than a Core 2 Duo, anyway?
For the times when I *do* push my computer? The situation I described gives low power usage when I'm not running intensive tasks and high performance when necessary. As opposed to not-as-high-performance with a CPU with a lower TDP.

CDs?

An extra pound isn't anything in the long term. The notebook I linked to weighs the same as the 17" MacBook Pro.

If you're talking 3 or 4 pounds, then use, that can change things. But one pound? Thats nothing.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, my point was that a 1 pound difference is less of a proportional difference when there's more total weight involved.
 
IPS is overrated too. I have a 23" desktop display that uses a TN panel. Same viewing angles as Apple displays, but significantly faster response time (no ghosting whatsoever), higher contrast ratio, same color response, and it cost less. Oh and it has HDMI in too.

I love my iPad and it has a beautiful display. But seeing the ghosting artifacts on it proves to me that IPS is all marketing fluff and a reason to charge a lot more than it should cost.

Erm, just to let you know mate pretty much most HD televisions have IPS panels, Panasonic for one like mine does. So you have to realise that your are stating IPS is rubbish tech in COMPUTERS, NOT in general, otherwise most TV manufacturers have got it wrong for the last 3 years or so :rolleyes:

IPS also is to do with viewing angles, not affect ghosting? Please explain why you think IPS is causing ghosting on the screen?

From Panasonics website:

IPS stands for In-Plane-Switching. It was co-developed by key manufacturers including Panasonic, Hitachi and Toshiba. IPS mode system technology is used in TFT LCD displays. It delivers a very wide viewing angle of up to 170 degrees, both horizontally and vertically, with minimal gray-scale inversion (ie, when the screen starts to look blacked out when viewed from the sides). IPS works because the liquid crystal molecules inside the display rotate and therefore remain parallel to the substrate when voltage is applied. This results in perfect orientation of the crystals. An 'Advanced Super' (AS)-IPS mode system is also available for further LCD picture improvements.
 
So I lose absolutely nothing. I gain everything.

The dock can disappear too but then its essentially useless. So your argument doesn't hold any water anyway because OS X's UI eats up any advantages.

And explain to me, how is vertical resolution so important? I find the wider 16x9 resolutions to be more useful than having a funky 16x10 resolution that nothing fits in.

I totally agree with you about 16x9.. but you have the worst reasons for why you backed it up.

Nobody buys a 13" laptop over a 15" purely for extra pixels. You don't "gain everything" hhahah. You get those extra pixels in a tiny ass 13" display (if what you were originally going for was a large 15").

hahah I always hide my dock. how does that make it "essentially useless"? Cuz I dont get to stare at it's pretty face all day? Yeah right, hiding the dock makes it useless... gotcha.

And vertical resolution is important for so many apps (web browsing, email) where you're reading a text vertically. It's weird that you're seriously questioning it.

And I don't know what kind of apps you run that can't dynamically resize to 16x10, but that's not normal. You should uninstall those apps. I can understand that argument for really small apps like a netbook that runs a tiny ass screen where you cant expand the app large enough to see all the buttons.

damn, you are an embarrassment when it comes to explaining why 16x10 sucks.
 
Blu-ray on anything **less** than a 42-inch screen isn't "all that and a bag of chips."

Only children who use their Macs for nothing but games and movie-watching are all worked up about Blu-ray. Blu-ray... on a 15" screen??? Gimme a break.

Blu-ray superiority depends on the apparent size of the screen, not the absolute size. Mentioning the screen size without including the viewing distance is not meaningful.

THX recommends the ideal viewing distance to be about 1.4 times the screen diagonal. Your 15" laptop at 21" away is visually just as big (and demonstrates BD quality and resolution just as well) as sitting 7 feet away from your 60" screen.

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http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/HDTV_Viewing_Distance.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance
 
Have a look at the Dell products that use RGBLED

oh and after all that, you brought the rgb led. hhehe it's true, that thing rocks. but good thing you didnt expand on its reasons for rocking. I'ld probably be embarrassed to read them.
 
Blu-ray superiority depends on the apparent size of the screen, not the absolute size. Mentioning the screen size without including the viewing distance is not meaningful.

THX recommends the ideal viewing distance to be about 1.4 times the screen diagonal. Your 15" laptop at 21" away is visually just as big (and demonstrates BD quality and resolution just as well) the same as as sitting 7 feet away from your 60" screen.

Singer60Chart.jpg
(click to enlarge)

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/HDTV_Viewing_Distance.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance

Agreed!
 
Erm, just to let you know mate pretty much most HD televisions have IPS panels, Panasonic for one like mine does. So you have to realise that your are stating IPS is rubbish tech in COMPUTERS, NOT in general, otherwise most TV manufacturers have got it wrong for the last 3 years or so :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to disagree with you over this.. I'm genuinely just asking..

Isn't the difference between why IPS would be good enough for tv's (but not computers) because tvs are so much bigger and ppl sit on couches to watch them? Compared to laptops where they're tiny screens that you're moving around a lot so it would be much more noticeable if IPS sucked.
 
I wouldn't be concerned given that the difference between Core 2 and the i5 or i3 (I doubt you'll see the i7 in a 13.3 inch form factor) is marginal at best - I've compared what I have to the refresh and its of only of great improvement if you haven't upgraded in a couple of years otherwise you're better off sticking to what you have and waiting until next year which should hopefully result in the massive change.

From what I understand we're on the minor release of the Intel CPU's and the next release will include major improvements so unless you really need to upgrade you might as well wait till then :D

Seems PCmag has a different take on the performance delta between the Core2 Duo and the i5.

"My preliminary testing showed an impressive improvement from the older Core 2 Duo architecture on some quick spreadsheet tests, with improvements typically in the 10- to 20-percent range, depending on the test, on two machines with the same clock speed."

The i5/i7 represent a fairly major departure from the Core Duo architecture, hardly a minor revision.
 
First Mac

I am very excited, i just purchased my first Mac. I got the new 17 inch Macbook Pro with the Core i7 4gb and 500gb serial drive @ 7200 rpm. It should be shipping out in the next couple of days and i can't wait. Since it is my first Mac i was wanting to know if their are any must have accessories i need to get. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Price up again in the UK where I work. I'd say it was unbelievable but it's every time Apple release something now over here that the price goes up. The pound has rallied from 1.30 to the dollar to about 1.55 since the last update too so they should have been cheaper than they were!. Tw@s. If only there was a greater choice in OS's I'd give Apple the bullet at the drop of a hat.

My thoughts exactly. Very annoyed that I waited 6 month for a price increase!
 
its good to see that the macrumors community is through bitching and is happy! this update is pretty significant, better bettery, better processor, better graphics... do u want it to wipe your butt for you too? if so then go back to PC
 
Well.. I don't necessarily agree on the value. I think these are really overpriced machines. It was between this and a Dell Studio XPS 16. Thing is, I fully plan on selling it when USB3 is implemented. So I bought the mac.. simply because by 2011 the resale value will still be high, whereas the Dell won't be worth anything. In the end it probably will balance out value wise.

Bought a 15" MBP, i7, 128gb SSD, HD antiglare.
 
Erm, just to let you know mate pretty much most HD televisions have IPS panels, Panasonic for one like mine does. So you have to realise that your are stating IPS is rubbish tech in COMPUTERS, NOT in general, otherwise most TV manufacturers have got it wrong for the last 3 years or so

Actually, most TVs don't. The refresh rate is too long and people would complain about blurry images.

IPS also is to do with viewing angles, not affect ghosting? Please explain why you think IPS is causing ghosting on the screen?

Geez, do I have to explain everything to everyone on this site?

IPS panels, compared to TN, have significantly lower refresh rates. Apple was using IPS panels with 24ms response times while everyone else had moved on to TN panels with 8ms or lower response times. My current desktop display has a 2ms gtg response time. There is NO ghosting. None. Moving images are every bit as sharp as my old CRT display. My MacBook, on the other hand, with a 16ms response time, has ghosting in everything from moving windows to even just moving the mouse cursor.

The thing is that Apple fans seem to be satisfied with high amounts of ghosting.

My HDTV in my living room has a full 170 degree viewing angle, but its a TN panel with an 8ms response time. No ghosting on it whatsoever.

Nobody buys a 13" laptop over a 15" purely for extra pixels. You don't "gain everything" hhahah. You get those extra pixels in a tiny ass 13" display (if what you were originally going for was a large 15").

I never said anything like that. Don't make it sound like I did.

hahah I always hide my dock. how does that make it "essentially useless"? Cuz I dont get to stare at it's pretty face all day? Yeah right, hiding the dock makes it useless... gotcha.

Because its easy to miss alerts from apps, and its an inconvenience to bring it up to access stacks menus, since going through Finder is a pain in the ass for getting to apps.

And vertical resolution is important for so many apps (web browsing, email) where you're reading a text vertically. It's weird that you're seriously questioning it.

Yes, thats true. But who seriously drags their browser window to full vertical resolution? Thats stupid and wastes space.

And I don't know what kind of apps you run that can't dynamically resize to 16x10, but that's not normal.

Games. Movies. Video content on websites such as youtube.

damn, you are an embarrassment when it comes to explaining why 16x10 sucks.

And you should learn to read. Because you're responding to things that I didn't say or imply.

Isn't the difference between why IPS would be good enough for tv's (but not computers) because tvs are so much bigger and ppl sit on couches to watch them? Compared to laptops where they're tiny screens that you're moving around a lot so it would be much more noticeable if IPS sucked.

Modern IPS panels still have too low of a response time for video.

Well.. I don't necessarily agree on the value. I think these are really overpriced machines. It was between this and a Dell Studio XPS 16. Thing is, I fully plan on selling it when USB3 is implemented. So I bought the mac.. simply because by 2011 the resale value will still be high, whereas the Dell won't be worth anything. In the end it probably will balance out value wise.

Bought a 15" MBP, i7, 128gb SSD, HD antiglare.

Says who? Unless you sell it on this forum, no person outside of Apple fanboy circles will pay even half new for what you paid for it. I hate to break it to you, but outside of Apple fans, that system will have very little value next year. Even now it's not worth half of what you paid for it.
 
15" Macbook Pro Core i7...high-res?

Alright guys, I've been up since 7AM this morning reviewing the new machines... been waiting for this day, and excited to finally be placing an order for a replacement to my SantaRose 15"MBP.

I've decided I'm going to order a 15" 2.66 Core i7 MBP with a 500GB HDD @7200 and base specs beyond that... but I can't decide if I should upgrade to the high-res or not? I'm very tempted to because the price is reasonable and it seems a large jump in resolution, and I'm happy to have a feature rather than not... but I've heard from readers that the resolution causes problems with text and other visuals... Should I be concerned? I can't find a high-res demo in store to check out.
 
Since it is my first Mac i was wanting to know if their are any must have accessories i need to get.

AppleCare.

Seriously - laptops lead a hard life. They are the only things that I buy (and recommend) extended warranties for. If offered, go for one that covers accidental damage as well. If you drop it or run over it with the car, it's nice to have that covered.
 
Alright guys, I've been up since 7AM this morning reviewing the new machines... been waiting for this day, and excited to finally be placing an order for a replacement to my SantaRose 15"MBP.

I've decided I'm going to order a 15" 2.66 Core i7 MBP with a 500GB HDD @7200 and base specs beyond that... but I can't decide if I should upgrade to the high-res or not? I'm very tempted to because the price is reasonable and it seems a large jump in resolution, and I'm happy to have a feature rather than not... but I've heard from readers that the resolution causes problems with text and other visuals... Should I be concerned? I can't find a high-res demo in store to check out.

I echo this question as I am in the same boat. I'm ready to buy and it sure seemed like the i7 15 was the best bang for the buck. ANYONE's imput on these questions would be great!
 
AppleCare.

Seriously - laptops lead a hard life. They are the only things that I buy (and recommend) extended warranties for. If offered, go for one that covers accidental damage as well. If you drop it or run over it with the car, it's nice to have that covered.

Does Applecare cover accidental damage????
 
If Apple wants to keep the pros on the pro machines, they need to offer blu Ray burning/authoring. While online HD streaming may be fine for watching a movie, many of us using these computers for a living needed blu Ray 2 years ago. Jobs is being thick and apple is becoming a consumer company.

While many here may not see a need, pro's who are the target audience certainly do. At least make it a option, or support external dives in the os.
 
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