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Apple produces great hardware and software. In the "old day" we knew that the premium pricing was due to the PowerPC processors, advanced graphic processors, and overall less expensive to maintain.

Fast forward to today and both Macs and (higher end) PCs have Intel processors, and NVIDA graphic processors. PC do require all the anti-this and anti-that software (which still does not prevent a lot of things from happening). However, the Macs still run at about a 50% price premium.

I use both a Mac and PC. Its my saying that "PC's don't include an IT department and Mac's don't require one." I have to constantly make sure my PC is up to date with Windows Updates, AVG Pro app and virus database updates, run AVG full scan's, defrag the hard drive, and use CCleaner on a daily basis to clean up crap and fix Windows Registry errors.

Today, Apple announced new laptops. However, when I compare the specs to my new Toshiba Satellite laptop (A505-S6033), there are few differences. This is the second Toshiba laptop that I've purchased for business use in the last 9 months. The last one has an LED backlit 17" screen, the new one does not. All Mac's are LED backlit, which is better. My new Toshiba has an Intel i7 processor and NVIDIA GeForce 310M graphics. The Mac has a FASTER i7 processor and slightly better NVIDA GPU, ... but at twice the price of the Toshiba.

Apple could seriously do better by offering the significantly less expensive, though slightly slower, i7 processor that my Toshiba has (1.8GHz processor speed with Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz). The price difference between the 1.8 GHz in my Toshiba and Apple's top offering 2.66 GHz is probably around an "extra" $200. I'm sure that plenty of people would be will to purchase the i7 MacBook Pro with the less expensive option of a slower -- though still i7 -- processor.

One thing that I still can not understand is that none of the MacBooks have a number pad on the side of the keyboard. As a web designer, I do have to play with plenty of spreadsheets and this requires using a number pad. Yes, you can add a USB number pad, but it should be on the laptop.

As for the software -- Apple is certainly the BEST! I've been using Windows 7 on the new laptop and there are issues with it working with many apps (older version of FedEx Ship Manager) and getting it to work with some printers such as DYMO label printer and Zebra thermal shipping label printer.
Sorry, but bringing a Toshiba laptop into a Macbook Pro thread is like bringing a Volkswagen Beetle to a drag race versus a Bugatti Veyron.

Toshiba makes crappy hardware, plain and simple. An acquaintance recently purchased a Toshiba Satellite laptop. The DVD drive stopped working after 2 days. The store would not take it back and said it was a manufacturer problem. Toshiba had to have the laptop sent in and the drive replaced, with no sort of retribution for the customer losing access to their brand new laptop for over a week. Terrible product and customer service.
 
Says who? Unless you sell it on this forum, no person outside of Apple fanboy circles will pay even half new for what you paid for it. I hate to break it to you, but outside of Apple fans, that system will have very little value next year. Even now it's not worth half of what you paid for it.
Don't presume to know anything about my locale. Here, for whatever reason, there's still the "Dell = bad, Apple = good" stigma. Doing a quick kijiji search shows that Apple machines hold their value much better than Dell. I do not expect it to have much resale, but certainly more than a Dell machine. You say "not even half" like it's a bad thing. 25% in a year is fine.
 
I've decided I'm going to order a 15" 2.66 Core i7 MBP with a 500GB HDD @7200 and base specs beyond that... but I can't decide if I should upgrade to the high-res or not? I'm very tempted to because the price is reasonable and it seems a large jump in resolution, and I'm happy to have a feature rather than not... but I've heard from readers that the resolution causes problems with text and other visuals... Should I be concerned? I can't find a high-res demo in store to check out.
I grabbed the same, but did opt for the high-res anti glare. I think it's a no brainer especially if you are using photoshop or audio production software. DO NOT worry about text.. whoever says small text is a problem is just ignorant of the solution which is font scaling. You can scale up the fonts and maintain your screen real estate. Do it!

EDIT: here's a popular tool for this: http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/screenshots.html
 
Sorry, you've just plain lost your marbles. If you honestly think that losing 10% of your vertical screen real estate is ALWAYS better so you don't have to look at tiny black bars when you watch a movie on your laptop, you probably *should* be looking into something like that el cheapo Toshiba.

16:9 gives you the same width as a 16:10 screen with substantially less vertical space. Vertical space is important for just about everything you do on a laptop, save for maybe watching a widescreen movie.

Toshiba isn't giving you that 16:9 panel because it's "ALWAYS better". They're giving it to you because it's ALWAYS cheaper.

But by all means, go on living your fantasy.


Yeah i agree 100%, . I'll take 16:10 screen anyday for laptops. So glad they did not reduce it to 16:9. 16:10 is much easier for doing work. Watching movies on laptops is secondary for me. You have your big screen tv for movies so i dont know why these ppl are complaining..
 
I am very excited, i just purchased my first Mac. I got the new 17 inch Macbook Pro with the Core i7 4gb and 500gb serial drive @ 7200 rpm. It should be shipping out in the next couple of days and i can't wait. Since it is my first Mac i was wanting to know if their are any must have accessories i need to get. Thanks in advance for any help.
Congrats on the new MBP. The only accessory that I would consider must have would be an external drive for back ups.
 
As I said, everything these days is formatted for 16x9.
What does "everything" imply, other than video, which fits perfectly fine in a 16:10 panel and displays as effectively the same size as it would on a 16:10 panel?
And I hate to burst your bubble, but generally speaking, 16x9 resolutions offer higher pixel counts than 16x10. Obviously 1440x900 is a higher resolution than 1366x768, but you're getting a proper aspect ratio.
"proper" for what? TV shows and the ~40% or so of movies that are shot in 16:9?
When comparing similar resolutions, like 1600x900 to 1440x900, the 16x9 resolution always comes out on top.
So you're saying that 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 are not "similar resolutions"? "Always" and "never" are the words of fundamentalist fools.
Not true at all. A 13" 16x9 screen running at 1366x768 will give me a higher pixel count than the MacBook's 16x9 1280x800 display. So I lose absolutely nothing. I gain everything.
You lose vertical space, actually. There you go with those silly absolutes again.
Also, this argument doesn't work anyway. The menu bar in OS X is permanent. It's always eating up a good amount of screen space. That menu bar itself can eat up any "extra" vertical resolution. The dock can disappear too but then its essentially useless. So your argument doesn't hold any water anyway because OS X's UI eats up any advantages.
lol. So your argument against 16:10 screens is that Apple's OS is inefficient in the vertical dimension, therefore they should move to 16:9 screens that lose even more vertical space? Your dock argument is exactly why I've had my dock firmly planted on the side of the screen since day one.

And explain to me, how is vertical resolution so important? I find the wider 16x9 resolutions to be more useful than having a funky 16x10 resolution that nothing fits in.
Everything I do on a computer short of watching video (which is the _only_ benefit you've been able to come up with) involves vertical screen real estate. We read from top to bottom. Take a look at a page of this thread that's some 40 posts long. What is the extra width gaining you in reading this exchange? Not a thing. What is it gaining you on nearly *any* web page, which are almost universally optimized to be viewed on screens no more than 1280 pixels wide?

Ever try editing a photo shot in landscape on a 16:10 panel?

Until you get to very high resolutions there's not really enough room for true side-by-side apps on a 16:9 OR 16:10 screen.

Fact of the matter is, 16:9 screens are good for video. 16:10 screens are better for just about everything else one would use a computer for.

Since this thread is about computers and not TVs...

IPS is overrated too. I have a 23" desktop display that uses a TN panel. Same viewing angles as Apple displays, but significantly faster response time (no ghosting whatsoever), higher contrast ratio, same color response, and it cost less. Oh and it has HDMI in too.
lol. Another pseudo-fact that shows you really should have bought a portable DVD player instead of a computer. What you want is a video player.
 
hmmm, next purchase is going to be an ipad, so by the time i have that paid off and i'm looking for a laptop, there will probably be another refresh ;)

even so, i dont think i could justify buying the 15" for i5 when it's only going to be a travel computer. C2D in the 13" may be a disappointment, but when i'm using my imac 24" for pretty much anything, i'd rather go a bit cheaper. i don't run many games on my machines anyways. just WoW and that runs on my imac just fine :p
 
Im so mad!!!!! I've waited so long for the 13" upgrade and all they do is add a discreet awesome graphics card, good clocked processor and a 10 hour battery?!?! How pathetic, they dident even put in the i3 while means nothing to me but i think i will notice the speed difference so i make angry comments like this. And also the chances are if they went with the i3 then there would be intel hd graphics most likely because of licensing issues!!

Cmon people if your complaining then don't buy the thing. Im not some sort of appledvocate (hahaha) but if your going to talk about how the sony is so much better than go buy it and then we can read your post later about how much better it is then later about how much the restocking fee is.
 
I know the most obvious difference between the 2.4Ghz 15" mbp and the 2.53Ghz mbp is the Ghz and Hard drive capacity (in which u can upgrade anyways so thats not really a difference) But what could be small differences that go below the radar? I wanna make sure im buying the right one thats worth my money. Currently im pretty much going to buy the 2.4 Ghz cause CPU speeds are the only difference i see. But if anyone knows any detailed differences, please share! I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat of decisions!
 
Simply being told to buy a 17 inch if you want a proper Pro machine isn't really good enough as it has too large a footprint for many uses.

What are some of the situations in which a 17" has too large a footprint? I have a 13" MacBook and a 15" Dell, and had been thinking that a 17" laptop would not be too big. But there are so many comments about the 15" MCP that I'm wondering if most people have found it to be oversized.

BTW, I'm planning to buy the MCP to replace my pre-Intel Mac Pro. I figured that since I'll be using the laptop in the home 90% of the time, it would be best to have the 17" MCP's larger display. Is there some best practice I'm not taking into account?
 
Blu-ray superiority depends on the apparent size of the screen, not the absolute size. Mentioning the screen size without including the viewing distance is not meaningful.

THX recommends the ideal viewing distance to be about 1.4 times the screen diagonal. Your 15" laptop at 21" away is visually just as big (and demonstrates BD quality and resolution just as well) as sitting 7 feet away from your 60" screen.

Or sitting 5 inches away from a 3.5" screen (such as an iPod). :D RIGHT?

You're trying to get technical about something where it doesn't matter. The point is this: at 15", the difference in "superiority" simply isn't worth all this excitement. if I wanna watch Star Trek or whatever, I'm going in the living room, put my feet up and look at my large screen 1080p Toshiba. On something as small as 15"... the difference (and i'll say it again, because linking to Wikipedia won't be necessary) isn't all that and a bag of chips.

I never said there was no difference, just that i wouldn't consider paying for that difference on something as small as a laptop. At that size, it simply isn't the big deal everyone is trying so hard to make it out to be. [if it were, then no laptop without Blu-ray would ever get sold.]
 
What does "everything" imply, other than video, which fits perfectly fine in a 16:10 panel and displays as effectively the same size as it would on a 16:10 panel?

16x9 video displays with black bars on a 16x10 panel. 2:35:1 video displays with black bars as large as on a 4x3 set.

And, again, high definition video, widescreen video on youtube, etc. is all 16x9. Everything just fits better in 16x9. I'm using my 16x9 display right now, MacBook hooked up to it. No way I could go back to 16x10.

"proper" for what? TV shows and the ~40% or so of movies that are shot in 16:9?

All high definition video is 16x9, the vast majority of movies are shot in some widescreen format. On 16x10 screens, 2.35:1 video displays with black bars as large as those on 4x3 TVs. Thanks to the wider horizontal resolution, you get significantly more screen space rather than a slightly taller screen.

So you're saying that 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 are not "similar resolutions"? "Always" and "never" are the words of fundamentalist fools.

Thats funny too, because the entire industry, other than Apple, has moved to 16x9 over the last couple of years. Apple is the only major manufacturer not shipping 16x9 across the board for everything.

So obviously the ENTIRE computer industry agrees with me. While only the overly vocal insignificantly small minority agrees with you ;)

You lose vertical space, actually. There you go with those silly absolutes again.

And I gain a good amount of horizontal space and a higher overall resolution. I gain more horizontal space than I lose vertical. Makes sense. Videos display properly and I have more overall room to work with.

lol. So your argument against 16:10 screens is that Apple's OS is inefficient in the vertical dimension, therefore they should move to 16:9 screens that lose even more vertical space? Your dock argument is exactly why I've had my dock firmly planted on the side of the screen since day one.

Again, you gain horizontal space with 16x9, video displays properly, and you get more space to work with. Whats the problem? And, again, the industry agrees with me. Everything except Apple's MacBook lines are 16x9.

Everything I do on a computer short of watching video (which is the _only_ benefit you've been able to come up with) involves vertical screen real estate. We read from top to bottom. Take a look at a page of this thread that's some 40 posts long. What is the extra width gaining you in reading this exchange? Not a thing. What is it gaining you on nearly *any* web page, which are almost universally optimized to be viewed on screens no more than 1280 pixels wide?

Yes, we do read from top to bottom. But with a 16x9 higher resolution display, I can fit MORE on screen. For instance, right now I have this webpage in its own little window off to the right. Next to it I have my Adium buddy list, my Mail window is open next to the webpage, and I have several IMs open in the surrounding space. All thanks to the WIDER display.

Ever try editing a photo shot in landscape on a 16:10 panel?

Photography is still 4x3. A wider display will benefit you there. Gives you more room to have your tools open around the picture.

Fact of the matter is, 16:9 screens are good for video. 16:10 screens are better for just about everything else one would use a computer for.

Which explains why everyone except Apple has moved to 16x9 displays as standard.

Oh and care to explain why the current iMacs are 16x9 now instead of 16x10?

Another pseudo-fact that shows you really should have bought a portable DVD player instead of a computer. What you want is a video player.

Nope. Like I said, the industry agrees with me. 16x9 is the better standard ;) Even Apple moved their flagship desktop to 16x9.
 

Or sitting 5 inches away from a 3.5" screen (such as an iPod). :D RIGHT?

You're trying to get technical about something where it doesn't matter. The point is this: at 15", the difference in "superiority" simply isn't worth all this excitement. if I wanna watch Star Trek or whatever, I'm going in the living room, put my feet up and look at my large screen 1080p Toshiba. On something as small as 15"... the difference (and i'll say it again, because linking to Wikipedia won't be necessary) isn't all that and a bag of chips.

I never said there was no difference, just that i wouldn't consider paying for that difference on something as small as a laptop. At that size, it simply isn't the big deal everyone is trying so hard to make it out to be. [if it were, then no laptop without Blu-ray would ever get sold.]

Well, thats your opinion. I want blu-ray because I do appreciate the difference on EVERY high definition display. Plus I shouldn't have to buy multiple copies of a movie just because my $2,200 dual core computer can't play a movie the $1,000 quad core computer I should have bought does.
 
I am a very satisfied Apple customer.

So I had purchased a June 2009 Macbook Pro on March 25th. It ran everything great, I was fully satisfied with everything about it.

So when I woke up this morning and realized the Macbook Pro's had finally updated, I was excited but also scared that Apple would not exchange my laptop for the new one because I was just passed the 14 day return policy.

When I got to the Apple Store in Lake Grove, New York...There was no trouble at all, they were more then willing to exchange my unit for an upgraded one, they also waived the restocking fee, plus the fact that the new high end 15" Macbook Pro is $100 cheaper, I got back $108 dollars. :p

The next part really floored me, they allowed me to data transfer with a firewire, without paying a dime!

Now thats customer service, way to go Apple!!!! :D

P.S the update was great, the Core i7 is noticeably faster then the one I exchanged and the GT330M runs amazing! I also love the added feature of the track pad of flicking. Its simple but works!!! :D

To all the haters!...

We all new this update was just gonna be a spec bump, Apple knows this design works, I am happy they did not change anything externally! and the internal choices and power balance of the Macbook Pro are perfect, Apple leads the laptop industry with power and battery!
:apple:;)
 
Well, thats your opinion. I want blu-ray because I do appreciate the difference on EVERY high definition display. Plus I shouldn't have to buy multiple copies of a movie just because my $2,200 dual core computer can't play a movie the $1,000 quad core computer I should have bought does.

You sound like a child.

Go and buy the $1,000 quad core and just shut-up. There you go problem solved. If you're going to complain and beat your keyboard up, its no need to think about it. Either buy the Mac or move on. :rolleyes:
 
I find that VERY hard to believe.
Fortunately for iPad lovers, their (our) enjoyment doesn't require your belief. :D
[re: your avatar. It is truly scary... but it's not polite to stare like that. Thanks.]



Well, thats your opinion.
True.

I want blu-ray because I do appreciate the difference on EVERY high definition display. Plus I shouldn't have to buy multiple copies of a movie just because my $2,200 dual core computer can't play a movie the $1,000 quad core computer I should have bought does.
If that's what matters to you, then fine. I think generally people use their computers for so many things... and some may not feel like staring at it for an additional 2 hours to watch a movie, which would be better enjoyed on a larger (MUCH larger) screen anyway.

::shrug::

As long as we can just agree that Blu-ray's "necessity" is a matter of opinion... and not some matter of universal truth. Would having Blu-ray be nice? Yeah maybe, for additional bragging rights i suppose. Don't think i'd actually use it that much myself. [doesn't it come with a lot of DRM baggage? stuff that gets all integrated into both hardware & software? idunno, whatever... if you need it then buy a PC i guess.]
 
MBP Bought

I put my money where my mouth is:

Ships: 2 - 4 Business days
Delivers: Apr 16 - Apr 22 by 2-3 day shipping
Part number: Z0J6
Configuration
2.66GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
Microsoft Office Mac 2008 - Home and Student Edition
Accessory kit

Good enough update for me!
 
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