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Apple Reminds Developers About February 64-Bit Support Deadline for Newly Submitted iOS Apps
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This. Some of the games I downloaded a few years back are still calibrated to my iPod touch.
I'm a PC and console game developer, maybe I just love my games and name more but I've supported them out of my own pocket when needed
. I just updated a game I made in 2010 with support for new controllers, new controller tech and some optimisations I found along the way. I'm not "hand to mouth" though and I know app development can be kinda tight.So wait... This is only happening NOW? Apple DIDN'T move the phone ecosystem to 64 bit in one day like they said? Like they said when they mocked how the computer industry took years? Choke on your hyperbole Phil Schiller.
The PC world made the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit, and it took years. Today, youre going to see that Apple is going to do it on one day, Schiller said.
Meaning, I've been having low memory app crashes the last year because this SOB didn't keep his word.
Thanks Schit Philler.
The PC world made the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit, and it took years. Today, youre going to see that Apple is going to do it on one day, Schiller said.
Meaning, I've been having low memory app crashes the last year because this SOB didn't keep his word.
Thanks Schit Philler.
Yes, but there are clearly a multitude of apps no longer supported that have longs since lost their usefulness. Eventually an OS update will break even the good ones. Apple needs a way of, as you put it, flushing out those apps.
Why would they do that, though? They need to be able to say that you can access eleventy million apps because their OS is the best.
For my project, most of the work was compiler warnings on NSLog(@"%d", some_nsinteger);. Oh, and updating third-party libraries to more recent versions that do support it (without compiler warnings, that is).
A lot of people seem to be overreacting.
Apple cuts off old versions of Xcode all the time. This move doesn't exclude any more devices than any other Xcode cut-offs in the past.
Requiring 64-bit binaries does not exclude 32-bit binaries. Both binaries are included. Most of an app's size is not from the binary, but from other resources such as graphics or audio. A 10.25 MB download might jump to 10.75 MB.
Devices this new requirement will help:
* iPhone 5S
* iPhone 6
* iPhone 6 Plus
* iPad Air
* iPad mini 2
* iPad Air 2
* iPad mini 3
Device this new requirement will harm:
* none
A 64-bit device running a 64-bit app may end up with more available memory for that app since it does not have to load 32-bit libraries in addition to 64-bit libraries. Understand? Compiling with 64-bit support can make an old app run better.
OS X applications already included 32/64-bit binaries. In fact, many applications had both the PowerPC/Intel binaries ("Universal" binaries). No one complained then.
Apple isn't the only company that does this. Microsoft .NET compiles apps with native 32/64-bit support as well.
Apple cuts off old versions of Xcode all the time. This move doesn't exclude any more devices than any other Xcode cut-offs in the past.
Requiring 64-bit binaries does not exclude 32-bit binaries. Both binaries are included. Most of an app's size is not from the binary, but from other resources such as graphics or audio. A 10.25 MB download might jump to 10.75 MB.
Devices this new requirement will help:
* iPhone 5S
* iPhone 6
* iPhone 6 Plus
* iPad Air
* iPad mini 2
* iPad Air 2
* iPad mini 3
Device this new requirement will harm:
* none
A 64-bit device running a 64-bit app may end up with more available memory for that app since it does not have to load 32-bit libraries in addition to 64-bit libraries. Understand? Compiling with 64-bit support can make an old app run better.
OS X applications already included 32/64-bit binaries. In fact, many applications had both the PowerPC/Intel binaries ("Universal" binaries). No one complained then.
Apple isn't the only company that does this. Microsoft .NET compiles apps with native 32/64-bit support as well.
What? Mac OS 9.x.x for 64-Bit PowerPCs only!?
2015 is the year of the PowerBook G5!
;-)
As always, i have my sources!
Depends on the app.
Xcode 6 is a bigger headache than anything else. Apple loves to do undocumented changes and radically change how API work. This can break a lot of items.
For example they flipped how X,Y coordinates are reported. Same method call returns them flipped. You ask for the size of the screen it used to always be coordinates based in portrait so if you were doing landscape work you adjusted for that. Now it is reported based on the current ordination of the device. Breaks everything that relayed on that.
App my company makes Xcode 6 is looking at costing us a few weeks of dev time to redo a lot of stuff to make it complaint.
64 bit chances are it will be fine but really there are a lot of gotchas you never account for. You can only find by really doing deep test.
Translates in to thousands of dollars of time. Brings in Zero new money as it is just updating.
Short answer is if you are not doing anything crazy it is easy to upgrade. As soon as you start doing custom stuff a lot of problems and almost every app has some custom crazy work in it.
Ohh, really!
If the frameworks of iOS 9 do not support 32-Bit apps (and they don't), then this is the end of 32-Bit apps on iOS iDevices-right here. I think this is where Android wins. Android apps run within a VM (similar to JavaScript in Safari (JIT-compiler))). Newest Android versions support many manufacturers of ARM chips and the OS and applications run on Qualcomm and Samsung processors and support ahead of time compilation (source).
iOS appears like a shadow of itself. Somehow washed-out and dying.
I thought this meant the end for the iPhone 5 since it's not 64-bit.
Then I realized what it actually said.
It does not say that it is ONLY 64-bit it says that 64-bit support is required for any new project. AKA 32-bit only versions are no longer accepted, without a 64-bit supported version too.
So I'm totally fine with it in that case
Then I realized what it actually said.
It does not say that it is ONLY 64-bit it says that 64-bit support is required for any new project. AKA 32-bit only versions are no longer accepted, without a 64-bit supported version too.
So I'm totally fine with it in that case
Ohh, really!
If the frameworks of iOS 9 do not support 32-Bit apps (and they don't), then this is the end of 32-Bit apps on iOS iDevices-right here. I think this is where Android wins. Android apps run within a VM (similar to JavaScript in Safari (JIT-compiler))). Newest Android versions support many manufacturers of ARM chips and the OS and applications run on Qualcomm and Samsung processors and support ahead of time compilation (source).
iOS appears like a shadow of itself. Somehow washed-out and dying.
What? We know what the frameworks of iOS 9 support? Or are you an Apple employee that needs to be fired for leaking something big?
I upgraded my iphones (6, 5s, and 5c) and ipads (2 ipad air 2) this year. So I am 100% 64-bit. I know I am probably not the majority, so leaving 32-bit support for a while is probably smart. But in about 2 years (iOS 10) there should be no reason for 32-bit apps.
The next question is, when will 128-bit arrive?
The 5c is 32-bit.
Everyone saying that iOS 9 will only support 32-bit are forgetting the 5c. (And maybe the iPod Touch)
Maybe you should blame Apple for releasing new screen sizes every ****ing year instead of sticking with one or two. They're fragmenting their own market and the developers (myself included) cannot afford to continue playing cat and mouse with them.
But no, it's our problem, because we don't want to invest a couple thousand bucks (or more!) redoing all the graphics and UI layout for an app that only brings in a couple hundred a month.
-SC
Judging by the current OS upgrade pattern, at least the iPhone 5 will get one last upgrade, so 64 bit only will probably come with iOS 10.
Whoa... No, the actual executable code in an app only accounts for a small percentage of the total app size. You're only talking a few percentage points extra having both the 32 and 64 bit code in there.
As a non-developer, I have wondered how much a developer makes from ad supported apps. I paid $2.99 to upgrade from the Sudoko2 to Sudoko2 Pro... Just to remove the ads. I would think that if they offered this option, they must make less than $2.99 from the ads. Either way, seems people are not willing to pay hardly anything for apps any more. Lotta complaining about $5 apps!
Good guess. My take is there are so many 32-bit app on the store, I don't see them purging them on the store via iOS 9.
Another reason why iOS apps are superior to Android apps: Apple forces devs to use the new technology.
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How does adjusting app layout to suit a bigger screen cost anywhere near a thousand dollars? Or are you paying a developer to do all the work for you?
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Dont forget iPad 2 is still supported by ios 8, and iPad 2, 3, and 4 all have 32-bit chips.
I keep wondering when a version of iOS won't include support for none-retina displays, but that hasn't happened.
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64 bit OSes can run 32 bit apps. 64 bit iOS 7 still runs older apps
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How does adjusting app layout to suit a bigger screen cost anywhere near a thousand dollars? Or are you paying a developer to do all the work for you?
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Dont forget iPad 2 is still supported by ios 8, and iPad 2, 3, and 4 all have 32-bit chips.
I keep wondering when a version of iOS won't include support for none-retina displays, but that hasn't happened.
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64 bit OSes can run 32 bit apps. 64 bit iOS 7 still runs older apps
The article clearly stated that developers are to build a single binary that supports both. (Last sentence in Apples' email) The older devices will use the 32 bit side. np
Ad support is a joke. You get about 20x as many downloads but only make about 1¢ per download. It's not even close to worth it.
I think iOS 9 will be the last version to support 32-bit iDevices, as well as, the discontinuation of the A7 and older processors in the next hardware refresh. I am basing this on the fact that Apple is requiring new and updated apps to be compiled with the iOS 8 SDK. This is in preparation for what Apple has planned in the next versions of iOS and OS X.