Security patches mandate an updated OS. I'm curious why you think it makes things easier for developers.
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Apple Reminds Developers App Updates Must Support 64-Bit Starting June 2018, Warns Customers About Unoptimized Apps
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Can’t tell if you missed the sarcasm of my post....
Any active developer has known about this for two years, what is the problem?
Eh hasn’t been updated on windows so I would be surprised if they did for Mac all by itself
Applications that have 5 or 10 years of development in them. Like say the ones professionals use.
That is multimillion dollar outlay to rewrite the application with zero revenue or even testing/qa prior to the unannounced new hardware shipping.
If (and that's a bit If) the few remaining pros don't migrate away due to the sour taste in their mouths from having to rebuy all their hardware, they may or may not rebuy their software.
Apple has gutted the customer base of pro software houses with stunts like this plus refusing to sell a workstation.
So yeah it represents quite an investment and quite a risk for the developers..
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I tried Compressor, DVD Player and QuickTime Pro 7 and didn't get a warning for any of them.
I wonder why you're getting this and I'm not. It's not a mockup, is it?
Lol, this is perfect. Reminds me of the iPhone not using USB-C.
That’s right but many developers don’t exist anymore - either by their own defect, or MacOS platform idiosyncracies. Others have frozen development for other reasons, to the disappointment of their users.
While there might many reasons for legacy systems to become unmaintainable, unsupported, still then those apps with limited functionality and no guarantees (whatever those ever were worth...) can have unexpected value.
So I guess that for a $ trillion, 100k employee operation, creating 32bit emulation shouldn’t be too hard - given its history with PPC => Intel and OS9 => OSX migrations.
Coïnciding with times Apple genuinely did care about the Mac platform itself.
It would also lessen the shortcomings with their own 32bit/only apps.
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For some reason, most games are 32-bit, even new ones. Not that macOS is optimal for gaming, but hey, it works ok for those who mainly work and only play a few games.
I find that while games are 64-bit, steam client is not.
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Of course there will be a Rosetta like layer for 32-bit apps for a while. They've said High Sierra is the last version to support 32-bit without compromise. But like I said: they've maintained backward compatibility with 32-bit apps for almost 10 years now. The costs are starting to outweigh the benefits from Apple POV. Time to find replacements.
Interesting comments. I still use applications that are 32-bit, and I don't expect the developers to update them since they are several years old. My Mac Pro 5,1 is still a beast, and I took the leap to 10.13 the other day. It works okay overall, but some of the SATA drives don't mount when I restart (it does when I do a full shut down and start it up). Also my Mobius 5 RAID enclosure will no longer mount on Firewire 800 (but will on USB 3.0). I suppose High Sierra will be the actual last major OS upgrade I do on this machine.
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Surely they will. Not as many customers are on macOS, but they're still millions of dollars' worth. The client is not much more than a web browser anyway, so I don't see why not. Chrome was 32-bit until pretty recently, and it's based on Chrome, so I'm guessing that's the only reason it's been 32-bit.
Hi JGRE, you may be misunderstanding my point. The max capacity of 128bit storage, as you have helpfully quoted, is very large, but is irrelevant to our discussion here. What I am discussing is the max capacity of 64-bit, and at what point in the future will that capacity limit be reached?
Historically, storage (both RAM and long-term) tends to increase by very roughly 10^3 (a thousandfold in decimal) or 2^10 (in bits) per decade. The current top supercomputer has around 2^54 bytes (20 PB) of storage, thus in about 10 years time, supercomputers will hit the 2^64 limit.
Personal computers have storage in the range 2^40 byte (Tetrabyte range) thus are projected to take an extra 10 years to come up against the 64-bit limit.
And Office 2011. Which is annoying. I own a copy of 2016 but really don't like the UI.
This would be a problem as I have several favored 32-bit apps which will likely not be updated, only not an issue as I've long since desisted in using Apple's latest version of OSX. So everything will be fine and this will pass, around here, unnoticed.
Frankly, I wish I had cause for concern and the reason and desire to use the latest Mac OS, above all other considerations as hands down the best. Sadly that hasn't been the case for some time.
Hi RedTomato,
This is not about RAM or storage but about a bandwidth of the processor I handling simultaneous taks (floating points), comparing 32bit to 64bit wil probably provide sufficient bandwidth for the coming 50 years. Just to point out in the last 30 years we only went from 8bit to 32bit on now landing on 64bit. As you can calculate the step from 8 to 32bit is just a rather small step. The step to 64 is already huge and to 128 just so big that is becomes questionable if it will ever be needed.
Expressing this number in millimeters it would take several light years to cover this distance. 64bit is already around for some 10 years already and there no sign of need for anything beyond.
I believe that 64bit will be with us for the foreseeable future, perhaps not in scientific computing but certainly for personal or business computing. But that is just my guess.
Well it does launch the games as well, which separately would have to be updated with 64 bit binaries as well.
[doublepost=1523913979][/doublepost]As a side note I wonder if CCP will update Eve Online or if they will just drop Mac support.
Probably not. I got the popup when using HRBlock for taxes that I didn't get from the App Store. So it is likely all 32-bat apps will not work.
That's too bad. So the user loses access to any 32-bit software that isn't updated, and gains... what, exactly?
I see how it's easier for Apple to ditch support for it but I don't see how this is a win for anyone else.
