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Apple Removes Cinema Displays From Store Front Page
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The current list price on the Dell is $1399, and they frequently have it discounted to < $1200. Apple needs to lower the price of the 30" more than $100, given that the HP is $1399 and the Samsung is $1299. $1399 would be nice, $1499 is probably more realistic (?).
A friend of mine who is a CG artist uses dual 30s and he says it hurts his neck by the end of the day. I think dual 30s is overkill . . . dual 23s is just right. I could probably handle a single 30 instead, but I like having an ultrawide workspace. It just suits my needs.
As for a 40" monitor for 4k, it wouldn't be ideal for normal computing . . . I was thinking of it as a full-quality preview monitor, essentially. Just for the über-geeks out there. So you actually could put it decently far away and have your primary monitor(s) right in front of you.
It's pretty interesting if you take a look at how the 30" ACD has been discounted since its introduction.
% discounted-------incremental---cumulative
Apr-07 $1799---------10.01%-------45.47%
Aug-06 $1999---------20.01%-------39.41%
Mar-06 *Spec Upgrade*
Oct-05 $2499---------16.67%-------24.25%
Apr-05 $2999-----------9.09%-------9.09%
Jun-04 $3299
If the ACD is further discounted in 2008 , here is what it'd look like:
% discounted
incremental cumulative
$1399 22.23% 57.59%
$1499 16.68% 54.56%
$1599 11.12% 51.53%
$1699 5.56% 48.50%
Apple has never done a discount on the ACD 30" of more than 20% (i.e. from $2499 to $1999). If they do discount, $1499 would be more in line with past price cuts.
But then again, they may just upgrade the specs again, and leave the price point alone. The form factor of the ACD is very popular, and they compliment the Macbook Pros and Mac Pro line. According to Apple.com, "Each display is designed to match the sculpted aluminum enclosures of Mac Pro and MacBook Pro"; if the aluminum enclosures are changed to gun metal (as recently rumored), then perhaps the ACD refresh will also be affected.
If the purpose of having isight is out of the box video conferencing (as Jobs said when he introduced the 1st imac with isight), apple would also need to add a microphone to the cinema display. As much as I like the idea of this, Im not sure that it will ever happen.
If they did, I couldn't see them offering an option, it will be all or nothing. Makes more sense from a business standpoint. But, I could be wrong.
If they did, I couldn't see them offering an option, it will be all or nothing. Makes more sense from a business standpoint. But, I could be wrong.
I don't want an isight built into my display -- I don't like it built into my MBP. It should be an option, or in the display perspective, just a stand alone.
It is really convenient having it built in for video chats, etc.. personally, I would rather have it built in than having to worry about plugging in an extra firewire cable. I like the idea of having that option but I don't know how much sense it makes, having to make 2 different display housings.
You'd still have to plug in an extra firewire cable, just like you do with the ACDs now to enable to firewire hub built-in to the display.
As Apple builds iSights into all their other housings, I can't see the objection to putting one in an ACD. The black border on the current iMac's makes the lens all but invisible. As a factory fit, the price premium on ACD's ought to be able to cover the miniscule cost of adding to the massive order Apple must make to fit them to the rest of the range.
As they are in all the others, I can't see Apple bringing back the stand-alone iSight but judging by the price they still fetch on eBay I suggest there is a demand for an Apple branded solution so I say stick 'em in the ACD.
- still hoping for LED backlight on a revamped 30 ;-)
As they are in all the others, I can't see Apple bringing back the stand-alone iSight but judging by the price they still fetch on eBay I suggest there is a demand for an Apple branded solution so I say stick 'em in the ACD.
- still hoping for LED backlight on a revamped 30 ;-)
Any usb webcam. Since osx 10.4.5 (or was it .6 or .7, doesn't matter), apple has enabled usb webcams. I currently use the xbox live camera. Works very well.
I just recently bought a USB webcam for my Mac that is running Leopard and the only thing it actually worked on was Skype. Everything else was a no go. Is there an update for USB cams that i'm unaware of?
If they don't build an iSight in to the new ACD's, they should at least offer the standalone one again. Wireless maybe?
Anyone used a Firewire and a USB camera? Care to comment on the framerate/smoothness?
Most of the webcam stuff I've seen has been jerky and blotchy but I can't say I know the specs of the cameras which is why I've always thought I'd have to get Firewire when I finally get a webcam.
If your experience of USB cams is different please let me know!
Cheers
Most of the webcam stuff I've seen has been jerky and blotchy but I can't say I know the specs of the cameras which is why I've always thought I'd have to get Firewire when I finally get a webcam.
If your experience of USB cams is different please let me know!
Cheers
More a "what you pay for" deal here. FireWire cams tend to cost more, but thusly have better guts. USB devices tend to be cheaper, and thus not have such good internals. ($5 for a webcam is not going to look as nice as the $30 webcam's video)
Keep the displays, lower prices.
There are out there DVI-->HDMI cables.
The current 23" is an excellent monitor for professional work, dont put an isight on it.
I have a teacher in the Univ with a mac mini with a 20" ACD
There are out there DVI-->HDMI cables.
The current 23" is an excellent monitor for professional work, dont put an isight on it.
I have a teacher in the Univ with a mac mini with a 20" ACD
Wishlist:
1) New enclosure (black aluminum?)
2) Multiple HDMI inputs
3) iSight
4) Prices based on competition
1) New enclosure (black aluminum?)
2) Multiple HDMI inputs
3) iSight
4) Prices based on competition
"Really isn't much they could do" - are you serious!??
No multi input, no HDMI, no isight, no PIP, style needs updated, better adjustment options, LCD backlighting, there is a TON of improvements to be made. The HDMI and multiinput would be a huge improvement, especially given that as it stands right now you'll never be able to play any bluray or other protected content on an apple display, so when they finally get around to releasing those devices your display will be obsolete.
It is possible for DVI to have HDCP protection, though I guess it's probably not on the ACD.
My Sony tube HDTV has DVI with HDCP. I have a cheap HDMI->DVI converter for plugging in HD content, the one disadvantage is having to run the audio separately.
My Sony tube HDTV has DVI with HDCP. I have a cheap HDMI->DVI converter for plugging in HD content, the one disadvantage is having to run the audio separately.
Does anyone know if they're using the same range and manufacturer of LCD panels in the iMac 20" and 24" that they have as stand-alone units in their ACDs?
Also, regarding the iSight, does anyone know what happens if you plug in an external iSight to a Mac that has a built-in one? I have an original external iSight, and wouldn't mind being able to continue to use it if there was some means of doing so.
Also, regarding the iSight, does anyone know what happens if you plug in an external iSight to a Mac that has a built-in one? I have an original external iSight, and wouldn't mind being able to continue to use it if there was some means of doing so.
Having more than one 30-incher takes some getting used to, in all honesty (see my sig; I have three displays). I moved my monitors around in a few different configurations before becoming completely happy. Initially I had them all in a row, but eventually they migrated to the corner of my desk, so that they each sit at 45-degree angels (approximately) to each other, and I'm in the middle. Have a swivel-chair helps a lot too (mine is Herman Miller), especially if you sit and write a lot of code or look at a lot of data (I do both).