Apple removes genuine product from eBay

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  1. inscrewtable macrumors 68000

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    High volume seller selling genuine lightning cables. I bought 3 for $8 AUD including delivery. Arrived in a few days. All genuine cables, each one packed in it's own sealed box with proper apple packaging. Just like you buy in the Apple store for $29AUD.

    OK so far so good, after delivery I get a note from eBay saying all the listings were taken down. I spoke to the seller and this is what he received from eBay ...

    the rights owner or an agent authorised to act on behalf of the rights owner, Apple, Inc., notified eBay that this listing violates intellectual property rights. When eBay receives a report of this type of violation, we remove the listing to comply with the law.

    Apple apparently doesn't have any problems with the fake cables. All this was was an ad for genuine apple lightning cables which is what they are. I never really believed that Apple would genuinely want to price gouge lightning cables, but apparently they do.
     
  2. Anonymous Freak macrumors 603

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    Almost certainly not an actual legit cable, but rather a fake made to look exactly like a real one.

    They won't/can't stop "unapproved" cables, as long as they aren't being sold as "legit Apple" cables. They *WILL* stop counterfeit (not-actually-by-Apple, but advertised as if they were,) sales.
     
  3. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    This bit stands out with eBay & Apple.

    Just because its good now many not mean it won't be within 6-12 months. You may be lucky though, but non-legit cables can also cause issues ... I bought a 3rd-party iPhone dock and iPhone wouldn't charge, because it was not "MFI certified"

    https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204566

    Some of them look very close to the real thing.
     
  4. Rocko99991 macrumors 6502a

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    You didn't get real cables unless you bough stolen goods. Apple does not sell wholesale parts/accessories to anyone.
     
  5. jtara macrumors 68000

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    Actually, Apple does sell products to third-party shops, and also sells in bulk packaging. I occasionally frequent a local third-party seller that has a shop in a strip mall. Their primary business is leasing Apple computers to businesses and government. When they come off-lease, they sell them in the shop. They also do repairs. They sell cables and small accessories in OEM packaging. I've purchased some cables and a trackpad from them. The trackpad did not come in a box, but it was wrapped-up somehow I don't recall it was some time ago. They sell the trackpads and mice for $10 less than the Apple Store.

    The seller might have violated some agreement with Apple that restricts who they can sell to. They might only be authorized to sell products to local businesses buying products in bulk - not for online sales. Or they may have used Apple's logos and publicity photos without permission. Normally, a retailer would have an agreement with the manufacturer that gives them the right to use Apple's marketing materials. No agreement, and they don't have that right. They could post their own photos, and rightfully state it's a genuine Apple product, but that's it.
     
  6. inscrewtable thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Great link to Apple, yep they are definitely genuine. At first I thought there were no interlocks on the USB end but it's just that they were so perfectly fitted that I didn't notice the hairline dovetail joinery!

    Box is high quality Apple with top qual printing, cable is wrapped as only apple do coiled around a stiff band of cardboard with two tabs that wrap around completely and are annoying to get off. Cable is that thicker slightly rubbery Apple type and the connectors on both ends are exactly as Apple describe. Plus the box even had a little Apple fold out leaflet.

    No, these are 100% genuine. There are plenty of pretend genuine cables on eBay that Apple do not seem to bother about. I couldn't believe it till the seller showed me the notice from eBay with the complaint by Apple.

    I'm I'm a big Apple user from way back, but let's face it, some of their stuff is outright extortion. btw these cable used to be $19 in Australia, but now they are...wait for it...$29 each. That is insane.

    But mainly this thread was not about Apple's silly prices for a lightning cable but the strange fact that they picked one seller on eBay to have his products removed.

    Just checked and the seller has them back on eBay again!

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3X-Genu...or-iPhone-7-7-Plus-6-5S-5C-6-X-8/222917002954

     
  7. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Well the one review is pretty awful:

    "Cables didn't last longer than 2 weeks used up all 3 kept failing"
     
  8. inscrewtable, Apr 19, 2018
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    inscrewtable thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That's a product review from an item bought from a different seller! Not only that but the only thing that the person who left the review has bought in the past 6 months is from buymore2016-5 who sells phone stuff and has a 97% rating. Fake for sure.
     
  9. Huntn, Apr 20, 2018
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    Tell us long they last. :) Just because it says genuine means squat. If it was removed it’s possible they were bootlegged, maybe stolen, or being sold outside of a marketing agreement, which might make them genuine. ;)

    I remember when there used to be genuine Louis Vuitton purses sold on eBay described as new for 50% off. Right... :rolleyes:

    This was when I was actively seaking ways to save money on a real purse for my wife. Of note Louis Vuitton does not make their purses available for purse parties or sell them to third parties to sell discounted. I turned in 5 ads that said genuine and all were removed. This is a real danger for all designer labels and many electronic products out of the orient. I’ve thrown away my fare share of inexpensive, short lived Apple compatible cables and chargers. No they did not say Apple, but they were all junk. But even if it says Apple, this might mean nothing.
     
  10. inscrewtable, Apr 20, 2018
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    I'm amazed at this comment. I can understand a fraudster company spending dollars on elaborate packaging for a bag worth hundreds of dollars. But, these are less than $8 AUD, for 3 including postage from Australia. Apart from the fact that a microscopic evaluation says these are Apple. To mock up a box with perfect on shelf Apple packaging with their special plastic seals and highly produced leaflets, would cost more than the $2 that they are charging for the headphones.

    Must be fake, must be stolen, cannot be true, Apple would never take advantage of their customers. I remember complaining when they were $19 dollars because the Apple ones always eventually wear out at the plug. People would point out the R and D, the chip, the higher quality, blah blah, all true. But Apple are making these on a scale of hundreds of millions. for iPads, pods, phones, and these hundreds of millions of users are going to want spare cables, now all these years later Apple Australia are charging more. $29. This is freaking ridiculous.

    Apple don't give a rat's that fake cables are freely advertised on ebay, indeed they are happy for people to discover that these crap cables are crap. But that Apple actually bothered to send eBay a takedown notice, for the only reason I can see that they are so freaking cheap, and obviously Apple.

    After the product arrived eBay sent me a letter saying the product cannot be supplied and removed the ad, but I already had them and already confirmed they are the real deal. Which is why I wrote to the seller and they sent me a copy of the Apple take down complaint they sent to eBay. However they are back up now, and I've just bought another 3, will post close up photos when they arrive.

    Hey, I'm a bit Apple fan, in spite of having a dodgy G4500, and eMac with the leaking capacitor problem fixed for free, 2 18 month old G5's that suddenly both got consumed with the horizontal lines of death that was a major kerfuffle on the communities. A current rMBP that had a logic board replaced after one month, and another logic board and also a screen. Oh I forgot about my refurb 2012 27" iMac that had a free out of warranty faulty graphics card. I'm just saying all this because I'm not posting this because I'm a hater. I was just dumfounded that Apple would go to this level of pettiness while not caring about all the obvious fakes, for the only reason that they are worryingly cheap and people might realise that while Apple stuff is a huge step up from the crappy fake garbage cables, $90 for three lighting cables, is complete robbery and greed above and beyond what I consider OK.

    Other sellers also have cheap genuine cables not as cheap as these but still cheap. Have they all stolen them? Regretfully I have to admit that Apple are going a bit weird. Still love their stuff though.

    EDIT: forgot to say that the fact they are back up means that the seller successfully proved they are legit.
     
  11. Huntn macrumors P6

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    I did include the possibility they were genuine, saying they were being sold in violation of a marketing agreement.
     
  12. inscrewtable thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Even if it were true that there was a marketing agreement, that would confirm my very point, that Apple don't want people to know how cheap these cable really are for Apple to manufacture now that all R & D and tooling costs have well been recovered. So cables that can be sold for $2 (with an admittedly thin profit) are retailed by Apple for $29 that is used by hundreds of millions of users. This actually pushes people to use garbage cables. It's pathetic.

    At $29 these $2 cables are sold for the same price as their 12W USB power adapter. Which is insanely not great.
     
  13. Huntn macrumors P6

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    I agree with your logic if these are accurate facts. From my own experience, Apple Cables have held up better than the cheap ones, so there is some kind of difference. However if they cost only penny’s more to make than the imitations, then Apple would be gouging. I’ve been buying OWC’s cables (https://www.macsales.com/) that can be found with warranties. 5 year warranty- https://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/CBLUSBL1MW/
     
  14. inscrewtable, Apr 23, 2018
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    inscrewtable thread starter macrumors 68000

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    btw here's the reinstated ebay item https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3X-Genu...or-iPhone-7-7-Plus-6-5S-5C-6-X-8/222917002954

    As you can see there is no violation of Apple logos or copyright, this is the exact same ad as the one that Apple made ebay remove.

    As promised here's a shot of the new arrivals... So that $2 USD with free delivery!

    They're obviously genuine, it's pretty clear that with literally hundreds of millions of these cables in circulation that Apple is not going to be able to force everyone to sell at some minimum price that would be impossible to enforce. Apple are blatant thieves. I really cannot believe that they actually made a serious effort to have these removed. Although in the end it didn't work. $6 instead of $68 USD!

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    This is what ebay sent me after I already received the first lot of 3...

    I wrote to the seller to inquire why and they said ebay sent this message to them...

    "intellectual property rights", my ass!

    EDIT: just noticed the package had a $2 stamp. So that means the cables were AUD 5.78 for 3, that's less than $1.50 USD each.
     
  15. Huntn macrumors P6

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    Maybe someone at the Apple factory sold several truck loads of cables out the back door. We know there are huge markups for most electronics coming out of Asia. Some manufacturers reserve the right to dictate retail pricing, yet I’m not making any excuses for Apple. They charge premium prices. Customers determine if it’s a price worth paying.

    I think a $1000 phone is BS. I love my iPone 5. I won’t be switching to Android, but I also won’t be buying the latest generation iPhone either at least not at full retail. Regarding cables and chargers I’ve learned that the cheap 3rd party ones don’t last, some have even arrived broken on arrival, so as I said, I buy other 3rd party certified cables with warranties, better than Apple’s.
     
  16. inscrewtable thread starter macrumors 68000

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    OK one final bit of weirdness. In Australia these cables were $19 from Apple a few years ago, yet Apple have increased the price to $29 even though the exchange rate would perhaps dictate maybe a rise to $22. So even though the manufacturing costs would decrease due to the R&D and tooling virtually being free after selling hundreds of millions of cables, Apple have dramatically increased their price.

    Agree with you about other stuff. I'm well pleased with my 1st gen SE, which are great value bought at 6 months old because in Australia we get a 2 year warranty!
     

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