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Apple Removes M1 Mac Mini and Intel Mac Mini From Lineup

adamw said:
I thought they would keep the M1 Mac Mini. Interesting that they got rid of it. Intel is no surprise to be removed.
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I liked the zinger about 5x faster than the best selling Windows desktop. 🙂 And, that’s only possible because Intel’s intentionally shipping a TON of processors, the vast majority of which are less performant than Apple’s cheapest system.
 
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anshuvorty said:
For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:
  • You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
  • you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.
The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!
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Windows runs on ARM.
 
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vailr said:
Microsoft offers a Windows version that runs on ARM CPU's, although not yet on Apple silicon ARM CPU's. They also have an ARM CPU equipped developer's kit in a Mac Mini form-factor, which can be seen in a YT video titled "Microsoft Made an Arm-based Mac mini" authored by "Snazzy Labs". Given enough customer demand, Microsoft may/should eventually be able to offer a Windows for ARM version that can return to Boot Camp compatibility with Apple silicon Macs.
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I haven't tried it myself, but it seems like Parallels allows you to install Windows 11 directly:

kb.parallels.com

KB Parallels: Install Windows 11 on a Mac with Apple silicon

To install a new virtual machine on a Mac with Apple silicon, you need to use an with a .
kb.parallels.com kb.parallels.com
 
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dantracht said:
It was good run, M1. Still love mine.
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Me too. I'm not sure if I'd gain much by switching to the M2. The only lag I've noticed is when dragging HD clips into FCPX; I get the spinning beach ball for over a minute before the clip appears. That's a recent development, so I think it has more to do with a FCPX update than the mini itself.
 
anshuvorty said:
For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:
  • You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
  • you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.
The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!
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Bootcamp is done, sure. Plenty of ways to run Windows on M1/2. Parallels actually works impressively well.

Sure, it's ARM Windows, but Microsoft has their own compatibility layer on it which runs almost anything legacy I throw at it. So far, the only thing it doesn't do is Direct X 12 games.
 
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anshuvorty said:
Yeah, but it isn’t reliable or performant. It also has compatibility issues with apps.
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Yes its reliable. Very fast and performant (considering a VM can run DX11 era games), and minimal compatibility issues (outside of gaming).

Try it, for what it is, its very impressive. Works better than running it on some garbage Intel Graphics based machine.
 
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anshuvorty said:
That is a huge assumption to make. Enterprise customers can’t rely on what will happen in the future.

Also, WOA, from a app compatibility and performance POV, is just dreadful.
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Show me some examples. Don't start with anything Autodesk unless you're running that on a Pro/Max.
 
anshuvorty said:
For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:
  • You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
  • you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.
The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!
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Not at all, if any UK enterprise customers need one let me know. It's just one, but you get the idea!
 
I am genuinely shocked that they dropped the Intel Mac Mini. There are loads of educational and gov't customers who get settled on particular standards for years — Apple was selling non-retina hard-drive based 27" iMacs all the way up to 2019, for chrissakes… guess I lost that bet…

Rosetta 2 really is that good I suppose
 
Eric_WVGG said:
I am genuinely shocked that they dropped the Intel Mac Mini. There are loads of educational and gov't customers who get settled on particular standards for years — Apple was selling non-retina hard-drive based 27" iMacs all the way up to 2019, for chrissakes… guess I lost that bet…
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It’s not like they have to get rid of all their current systems. They’ll go through those (and their backups) until they croak and by then, if anyone in the business of buying Apple systems are still stuck on Intel processes, well, that’s on them 🙂
 
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anshuvorty said:
For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:
  • You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
  • you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.
The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!
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Parallels runs just fine on M-series Macs.
 
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alan_sill said:
Parallels runs just fine on M-series Macs.
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I mean WOA (Windows on ARM). Lots of users have been complaining about the lack of software support and the poor performance aspect of it. There isn't a magic Rosetta 2 software on Windows that can magically make x64 apps work on WOA unfortunately.
 
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mikeyy00 said:
Bootcamp is done, sure. Plenty of ways to run Windows on M1/2. Parallels actually works impressively well.

Sure, it's ARM Windows, but Microsoft has their own compatibility layer on it which runs almost anything legacy I throw at it. So far, the only thing it doesn't do is Direct X 12 games.
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mikeyy00 said:
Yes its reliable. Very fast and performant (considering a VM can run DX11 era games), and minimal compatibility issues (outside of gaming).

Try it, for what it is, its very impressive. Works better than running it on some garbage Intel Graphics based machine.
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mikeyy00 said:
Show me some examples. Don't start with anything Autodesk unless you're running that on a Pro/Max.
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alan_sill said:
Parallels runs just fine on M-series Macs.
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Ok, I will try it out and get back to you.
 
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Realityck said:
I was expecting sooner than later, glad it’s finally happened. The 2018 model time has come to be removed from the store. If you got one relish it’s place in history.
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Hmmmmmmm, I wonder… how hard would it be to shoehorn an M2 system inside that Space Black case? 😀
 
I'm surprised they didn't keep the M1 around because I'm sure it would still sell great. But with the M2 price drop it makes sense not to.
 
anshuvorty said:
For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:
  • You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
  • you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.
The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!
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I’m hoping against hope that the Mac Pro brings it back for everyone. Possibly part of the wait is for Microsoft’s exclusivity agreement with Qualcomm to end. Would love to see a co-announcement that Windows on ARM is officially supported on the Mac Pro and all M series Macs.

The emulation has gotten good, on a super powered Mac Pro it should be good enough to show off.

I don’t think we’ll get dual boot, but Apple has been building in low level support for virtual machines for some time now.

I realize this probably won’t happen. But I can dream.
 
CarAnalogy said:
I’m hoping against hope that the Mac Pro brings it back for everyone. Possibly part of the wait is for Microsoft’s exclusivity agreement with Qualcomm to end. Would love to see a co-announcement that Windows on ARM is officially supported on the Mac Pro and all M1 Macs.

The emulation has gotten good, on a super powered Mac Pro it should be good enough to show off.

I realize this probably won’t happen. But I can dream.
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The exclusivity deal is over: https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/23/22798231/microsoft-qualcomm-exclusivity-deal-windows-on-arm
 
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Early nix of the Intel Mini this year makes it that much easier for Ventura to possibly be the last Mac OS that supports Intel. Perhaps one more version, but the end of Mac OS on any x86 machine is probably less than 24 months away.
 
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