Apple Removes M1 Mac Mini and Intel Mac Mini From Lineup

[rm5]

As soon as M1 Mac minis with 16 GB of RAM hit $400, I'm buying one. Also, I'm REALLY glad the new M2 Mac mini has 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports.

 

[DeepIn2U]

For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:

• You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
• you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.

The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!

Virtualization works ... in fact ...

equipped developer's kit in a Mac Mini form-factor, which can be seen in a YT video titled "Microsoft Made an Arm-based Mac mini" authored by "Snazzy Labs". Given enough customer demand, Microsoft may/should eventually be able to offer

Snazzy actually compared this dev box to M1 Mac Mini (low end) with Windows Arm loaded in virtualization and MANY TASKS STILL RAN FASTER on the M1 mac vs the Dev box! LMAO!

We're now getting to the harder part of the Intel-ARM transition. With no new Intel Macs to "fall back" to, developers will be forced to transition their apps. Unless they buy used or build a Hackintosh, which woudn't be supported fully.

This is the REAL pain.

Developers stuck to Windows still decide its cheaper to stick on Windows and no longer build for M1 Apple Silicon vs just ignoring it.
Something that really scares me. There is a LOT of Windows Freeware I'd love to have for mac.

 

[anshuvorty]

For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:

• You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
• you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.

The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!

I am a sys admin and just found out that RSAT isn't compatible with Windows on Arm yet, so any Active Directory administration work is now limited to x64-based Windows systems. You can't virtualize WOA on a AS Mac to get any type of this work done at the moment. Hence why an Intel-based Mac is still quite crucial for us sys admins, at the moment.

 

[DeepIn2U]

But still the installed based of Mac users must still be overwhelming majority Intel?

as in, if you want to make money on Mac you need to support Intel. Whether it's games or business / serious apps.

So …

Things!, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, just a few are NOt serious apps, right?! /s

 

[DeepIn2U]

I am a sys admin and just found out that RSAT isn't compatible with Windows on Arm yet, so any Active Directory administration work is now limited to x64-based Windows systems. You can't virtualize WOA on a AS Mac to get any type of this work done at the moment. Hence why an Intel-based Mac is still quite crucial for us sys admins, at the moment.

Azure Active Directory, web based and most likely accessible in your environment is you’re an admin.

And yes you CAN virtualized Windows on Arm. SnazzyQ has done so already.

 

[DeepIn2U]

I haven't tried it myself, but it seems like Parallels allows you to install Windows 11 directly:

KB Parallels: Install Windows 11 on a Mac with Apple silicon

To install a new virtual machine on a Mac with Apple silicon, you need to use an with a .

kb.parallels.com

Right now the demand is there but Microsoft’s dev kit is for developers to transition their apps to Arm Windows before full roll out.

 

[anshuvorty]

Azure Active Directory, web based and most likely accessible in your environment is you’re an admin.

And yes you CAN virtualized Windows on Arm. SnazzyQ has done so already.

Good point, however we are still stuck on the on-prem version of Azure AD and trying to move to the cloud-based version. As such, we still need access to RSAT.

 

[KPOM]

No surprise that Apple pulled the M1 mini. They actually lowered the starting price of the M2 mini. As for the Intel, it’s a sign that the days of native Intel support are dwindling. I expect the version of macOS released this year will still support intel native, but am less certain about the 2024 version. Rosetta support may last until 2025, but even that’s sketchy, IMO.

 

[homegrownhero]

I'm waiting to scoop up a M1 Mac Mini at steep discount!

pretty sure prices go up instead because now there won't be any replacement and limited availability out there in the world

 

[svish]

With the lower price tag for M2 mini, M1 mini had to be removed.

 

[DeepIn2U]

No surprise that Apple pulled the M1 mini. They actually lowered the starting price of the M2 mini. As for the Intel, it’s a sign that the days of native Intel support are dwindling. I expect the version of macOS released this year will still support intel native, but am less certain about the 2024 version. Rosetta support may last until 2025, but even that’s sketchy, IMO.

Well typically it’s a 4-6yr OS support from Apple.

Intel support will be there but features will begin to drop by 2025 for certain.

 

[mikeyy00]

I am a sys admin and just found out that RSAT isn't compatible with Windows on Arm yet, so any Active Directory administration work is now limited to x64-based Windows systems. You can't virtualize WOA on a AS Mac to get any type of this work done at the moment. Hence why an Intel-based Mac is still quite crucial for us sys admins, at the moment.

Or, just bounce into a server and run RSAT there?.

I mean, I feel you. I was annoyed it wasn't available either. But easily solvable and hardly a deal breaker IMO.

 

[_Spinn_]

I forgot that the Mac Mini was still offered with an Intel chip too.

 

[anshuvorty]

I forgot that the Mac Mini was still offered with an Intel chip too.

It's not.

Apple has removed the Intel Mac mini as soon as the M2 Mac mini was announced.

 

[macfacts]

Microsoft offers a Windows version that runs on ARM CPU's, although not yet on Apple silicon ARM CPU's. They also have an ARM CPU equipped developer's kit in a Mac Mini form-factor, which can be seen in a YT video titled "Microsoft Made an Arm-based Mac mini" authored by "Snazzy Labs". Given enough customer demand, Microsoft may/should eventually be able to offer a Windows for ARM version that can return to Boot Camp compatibility with Apple silicon Macs.

People want windows for app compatibility, not the os features. Installing windows for arm does nothing.

 

[genexx]

For enterprise customers, this is a pretty big deal:

• You can no longer rely on Bootcamp or virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows and Mac on a Mac host anymore.
• you will now have to purchase a Windows box and a Mac Mini or a similar Apple device if you need to use macOS and Windows.

The Bootcamp-era is now over, folks!

Win 22H2 11 Arm and Ubuntu Arm are running freakin fast on M2 MBA so why Bootcamping when being able to run simultaneously ?

I haven't tried it myself, but it seems like Parallels allows you to install Windows 11 directly:

KB Parallels: Install Windows 11 on a Mac with Apple silicon

To install a new virtual machine on a Mac with Apple silicon, you need to use an with a .

kb.parallels.com

I have completely replaced the need of a PC with my MBA M2, installed Windows 22H2 Pro for Arm on UTM.
Even old VB6 Programs with ODBC to MariaDB SQL connections are working. No Games, but who will play Games in an VM ?

Yeah, but it isn’t reliable or performant. It also has compatibility issues with apps.

I mean WOA (Windows on ARM). Lots of users have been complaining about the lack of software support and the poor performance aspect of it. There isn't a magic Rosetta 2 software on Windows that can magically make x64 apps work on WOA unfortunately.

There is a X64 base like Rosetta in Win 11 on Arm and it works freakin fast / instant / stable. Had not 1 Program failing.

Again, complaining about Games to be not running on VM is pure idiocracy.

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[carylee2002]

If your a gamer and use Steam or GOC for your games, having a intel mac running windows natively is a lot better than using a third party app/arm to work. The sad part I see coming is that Microsoft might will not support ARM for the future silicon chips and just abandon all gamers in the future and just support the PC world. Then if that is the case, people will start buying more pc's because of the tech world of gaming is booming.

 

[genexx]

I do not sea any reason for a Gamer to buy a Mac in the first Place.
My Teenager kids utilizing PC´s for that very reason,
could fire up MacOS 13.1 cause Daddy has a Snow Leopard Family License and installed MacOS on PC´s but there is no interest at all for OSX.
The iPad is a different story tho.

 

[Abazigal]

Well typically it’s a 4-6yr OS support from Apple.

Intel support will be there but features will begin to drop by 2025 for certain.

6 years is decent for say, an iMac, but I would expect 10 years at least for the Mac Pro, given the amount of money users have sunk into it.

 

[carylee2002]

I do not sea any reason for a Gamer to buy a Mac in the first Place.
My Teenager kids utilizing PC´s for that very reason,
could fire up MacOS 13.1 cause Daddy has a Snow Leopard Family License and installed MacOS on PC´s but there is no interest at all for OSX.
The iPad is a different story tho.

Size is a major factor for me vs a standard PC box. Not to mention the intel 2018 i7-8700B with a egpu with a decent card can run a lot of a games with bootcamp.