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Apple has reportedly removed two RSS feed reader apps from China's App Store to comply with Chinese law. Fiery Feeds and Reeder both tweeted that their iOS apps had been removed in China over content that is considered "illegal" in the country.


Fiery Feeds quoted a three-year-old tweet from Inoreader, a similar RRS service that was banned from Apple's Chinese App Store back in 2017 and had its entire service blocked in the country in April. Apple's original message to Inoreader read:
We are writing to notify you that your application will be removed from the China App Store because it includes content that it illegal in China, which is not in compliance with the App Store Review Guidelines:

5. Legal
Apps must comply with all legal requirements in any location where you make them available (if you're not sure, check with a lawyer). We know this stuff is complicated, but it is your responsibility to understand and make sure your app conforms with all local laws, not just the guidelines below. And of course, apps that solicit, promote, or encourage criminal or clearly reckless behavior will be rejected.
It's not clear why Apple waited until now to block the additional feed readers, but the fact that it pulled these apps at all suggests RSS readers can sometimes circumvent China's Great Firewall and pull in content from third-party websites that are otherwise on its blocked list.

Apple has faced increasing pressure from investors and human rights activists about its relationship with China and its tendency to comply with Beijing's demands. Last year, for example, Apple removed the app of news outlet Quartz from China's ‌‌App Store‌‌ after complaints from the government that it included content that is illegal in the country. The app was covering the Hong Kong Umbrella Movement protests at the time.

Apple has also been forced to remove many VPN apps from the ‌‌App Store‌‌ in China due to the administration's regulations. Other apps affected in the past include WhatsApp, Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter, and the New York Times app.

Earlier this month, Apple published a human rights policy document that commits to "freedom of information and expression," following years of criticism from investors that it shows too much deference to Beijing and accedes to China's censorship demands.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple Removes RSS Feed Readers From Chinese App Store
 

ArtOfWarfare

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Apple published a human rights policy document that commits to "freedom of information and expression," following years of criticism from investors that it shows too much deference to Beijing and accedes to China's censorship demands.

How does their action of removing these apps square with this human rights policy document? Did they give themselves a loophole to make it okay, or are they just blatantly ignoring their own publicly stated values?
 

TiggrToo

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How does their action of removing these apps square with this human rights policy document? Did they give themselves a loophole to make it okay, or are they just blatantly ignoring their own publicly stated values?

It’s a fine line they have to walk and there are no absolutes. Apple are first and foremost a publicly traded company - they have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders that could be severely impacted if they were to ignore China’s laws.
 

JosephAW

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Probably most have already downloaded this so no great loss unless the iOS version in China allows Apple/State to delete apps off your iOS device without your consent.
 

Marbles1

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Incoming youngsters who don't believe companies should comply with local laws..

Apple are typical corporate hypocrites: bang on about LGBT+ rights, human rights, devote a whole day to the issue of systemic racism faced by the black community and others, talk about respect for freedom of speech, and yet all that is irrelevant if that conflicts with making money because it 'respects local laws'.

China treats many of its ethnic minorities like cr**. It has bans on certain religious. It bans and blocks websites, news outlets, apps which speak out against the government.

So yes, as a business, if they want to operate globally, if they want to sell products in China they should comply with local laws.

But they should also stop pretending they have moral principles.

It's a conflict we all face. I'll be a lot happier if/when Apple move all manufacturing out of China and into countries that at least try to address basic human rights.
 

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And people wonder why countries were doing business with Nazi Germany.

Nothing ever happens unless a country tries to invade an ally 😕

I would argue that China is even more crazy than North Korea. At least everyone knows their leader is evil besides Mr. 🍊 maybe but China managed to „infiltrate“ so many sectors. They basically made everyone their B. Certainly a different kind of “Chinese virus“. Sucks cuz the country itself has actually many beautiful places but the government and its „free will is dangerous“ push and brain washing is just dangerous
 
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rp2011

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I can understand how in China Apple is forced by the government to remove apps, but how in the world in th US can the President think he can unilaterally remove apps and force them for sale? And especially for something as petty kids speaking out against him and his fascism making him look like the fool he is.
 

ArtOfWarfare

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It’s a fine line they have to walk and there are no absolutes. Apple are first and foremost a publicly traded company - they have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders that could be severely impacted if they were to ignore China’s laws.

They have well and truly lost their way if that’s what they “are first and foremost”.
 
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ian87w

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Apple are typical corporate hypocrites: bang on about LGBT+ rights, human rights, devote a whole day to the issue of systemic racism faced by the black community and others, talk about respect for freedom of speech, and yet all that is irrelevant if that conflicts with making money because it 'respects local laws'.

China treats many of its ethnic minorities like cr**. It has bans on certain religious. It bans and blocks websites, news outlets, apps which speak out against the government.

So yes, as a business, if they want to operate globally, if they want to sell products in China they should comply with local laws.

But they should also stop pretending they have moral principles.

It's a conflict we all face. I'll be a lot happier if/when Apple move all manufacturing out of China and into countries that at least try to address basic human rights.
I think that is ongoing, especially with the trade ban and covid. Any smart company would want a plan B of manufacturing outside China. We already see the push for India and other emerging markets.

However, it won't be easy nor quick. It would take years, if not decades. The Chinese has built up their capacity and workforce to the point that it is difficult to replicate it outside the country. There's an article about the Foxconn factory running 24 hours. That would be impossible anywhere else in the world. Also remember the first iPhone, how Jobs wanted the screen to be glass mere weeks before launch. That kind of production agility is only possible in China, for now.

And we have not even touched the economic of scale that China has. For example, for an iPhone case, one can order from China at 7 cents a piece (albeit in volume). That's insane.
 

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Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Observation: lately more and more MR threads are tagged as political/ social. A disturbing trend. The more we preach inclusivity, the more we see opposite behaviour. On all levels. I surely hope we recognise that we are social beings and can find ways of living together on this planet.
 
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ftaok

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All this does is tell China they are behaving well, when the only way to get the message across is not to trade there. The fact that they have done means it is now very hard to extract themselves from the mess.
It's not just Apple. Our (meaning the US) entire standard of living is based on cheap labor available in China for manufacturing the goods that we find so essential. If the US were to reduce or cut off this supply of labor, we would experience a drop in standard of living that would not sit well with citizens of either party.

It would not be a pretty situation. After all, people have to have their low cost "essential" goods and our politicians are more than happy to keep the citizens placated and distracted.

It's too late to pull out of China on our own. We would need an event to happen that would make that decision for us. Or perhaps Europe will do something and we'll tag along. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
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