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Apple Renews Motion Calling for U.S. Ban on Samsung Products

Any patent that's capable of something as sweeping as banning sale of Samsung's products in the US should be invalidated. Most of these software patents never should have been awarded in the first place, and have become a legal cluster**** that's out of control.
 
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The only thing I dislike about patent wars is some ideas are obvious and should not be allowed submission. "Pinch to zoom" is quite a natural movement for a touch interface, it is so logical that somebody should not be able to claim it as "their" idea. Granted this can be a fine line sometimes but common sense should prevail here.

On the flip side, patents need to be protected otherwise there is no point in the system and everybody will just copy everybody else's idea with no penalty.
 
silentbob007 said:
Considering Apple didn't invent multi-touch (just patented parts of it), I find this fairly ridiculous.
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It's not where you are, it's how you got there. I have no problem with Apple defending their Utility Patents on their implementation of Multi-Touch and other technical features....

But I really think trying to make a big deal out of their Design patents is plain silly. The Box? The AC Plug? An image of a microphone? Past silly....
 
SethBoy said:
There is less incentive to spend time, effort and money on making better products if such innovations are not protected from copying.
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The patents in question were no real innovations in the first place. It's ridiculous that one can obtain a patent for such trivial things in the US, it's even more ridiculous that you can win a billion dollars with them in a US court.

Apple didn't come up with a cure for cancer, they only patented some design gimmicks that in other parts of the world not even qualify to be called technology nor could they be protected by a patent.

And the guys who talk about thieves in this context... Apple have stolen countless ideas from smaller companies and ruined them along the way. Sherlock, anyone? But apparently, for you folks it's okay when Apple does it.
 
In the beginning, Dell used to sell a lot of HP printers. Then, one day, they stopped completely, and soon after that, Dell came up with their own OEM line of printers made by Lexmark (who only makes printers).
The point here is that Dell stopped giving money to a competitor, HP, who also manufactures computers.

Here, Apple hired Samsung, a competitor, to build the screens and chips. Apple enabled Samsung's to skip R&D and knock off all of Apple's technology.

It is the same mistake IBM made when it hired Microsoft to write their new OS.
Same mistake Apple itself made when it licensed Mac OS to Microsoft to make Windows 1.
Thus, history repeats itself.
 
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Winni said:
The patents in question were no real innovations in the first place. It's ridiculous that one can obtain a patent for such trivial things in the US, it's even more ridiculous that you can win a billion dollars with them in a US court.

Apple didn't come up with a cure for cancer, they only patented some design gimmicks that in other parts of the world not even qualify to be called technology nor could they be protected by a patent.

And the guys who talk about thieves in this context... Apple have stolen countless ideas from smaller companies and ruined them along the way. Sherlock, anyone? But apparently, for you folks it's okay when Apple does it.
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You put all my thoughts into words. I can't agree with you more. It's not about who created it, but about who patented it. Imagine how many thieves there are in the world due to this?
 
Did Samsung rip Apple off? Yeah, probably. Did Apple rip other companies off? Yes. I think iMessage is a blatant rip off of Blackberry. From an OS feature standpoint, I think ios7 ripped off Android more than Android ever ripped off IOS. I'm waiting with popcorn in hand to see the lawsuits start flying when everyone releases their own smart watch (or whatever they're being called). Stop the bellyaching and just continue to make better products...

Mike
 
Winni said:
The patents in question were no real innovations in the first place. It's ridiculous that one can obtain a patent for such trivial things in the US, it's even more ridiculous that you can win a billion dollars with them in a US court.

Apple didn't come up with a cure for cancer, they only patented some design gimmicks that in other parts of the world not even qualify to be called technology nor could they be protected by a patent.

And the guys who talk about thieves in this context... Apple have stolen countless ideas from smaller companies and ruined them along the way. Sherlock, anyone? But apparently, for you folks it's okay when Apple does it.
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pretty much!

though, this is the first time i've heard of "sherlock". care to elaborate?
 
Surprises me how people choose to spend their time. I can't think of a more waste of time than working for either company's law team in this case.
 
PollyK said:
Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe you Apple. Why don't you actually invent something yourself rather than repackage other people's technology in a shiny little box. I don't call that innovation.
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Which is not what Apple does, so I don't see your point.
 
Anim said:
The only thing I dislike about patent wars is some ideas are obvious and should not be allowed submission. "Pinch to zoom" is quite a natural movement for a touch interface, it is so logical that somebody should not be able to claim it as "their" idea. Granted this can be a fine line sometimes but common sense should prevail here.
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Nobody claimed pinch to zoom as their idea. Ideas aren't patentable. Only implementations are patentable, and Apple did some serious work to make pinch to zoom work. Those are the aspects that are patented.
 
Stop!

This has gone to personal level between the companies. Certainly there is information we may not be privy to.

You must remember that this suit goes back to when SJ was with us. It carries too much from the past.

It will never end until there is complete victory, and IMO Apple is gaining momentum quickly. I fine the reinsertion of the sales injunction very telling. I really don't think Apple will ever stop Samsung Phones. I do see Samsung Bank Rolling much of Apple's R&D through License Fees. :)
 
RichardI said:
Apple is not doing themselves any good with this BS. I don't own a smartphone, but if I did it would be a Samsung. I don't like monopolies. :mad:
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“monopolies”? Samsung holds a much larger smartphone market share than Apple, twice to triple times larger.
 
I find it interesting how many people are saying something along the lines of Apple should get over it and start innovating and yet no one is saying that Samsung should start innovating. As if to say Apple should innovate and Samsung should steal what is innovated.

Innovation only works when two (or more) companies are actually competing with one another to create the latest and greatest thing. A larger screen or 30 mins of extra battery life is not innovation.

If more tech companies actually took real strives to innovate, it would force Apple's hand to be more innovative and we would all benefit.
 
bbeagle said:
Which is not what Apple does, so I don't see your point.
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Actually, Apple often repackages other people's tech.

MacOS = Xerox PARC (they bought it)
iTunes = SoundJam (they bought it)
MacOSX = NeXT (they bought it)
MultiTouch stuff = Fingerworks (they bought it)

In Apple's early days, they were stealing along with making their own stuff. Now they buy and make their own stuff.

Everyone seems to have a mix of genuinely their own ideas and picking up other people's ideas and making them their own.
 
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Hirakata said:
I find it interesting how many people are saying something along the lines of Apple should get over it and start innovating and yet no one is saying that Samsung should start innovating. As if to say Apple should innovate and Samsung should steal what is innovated.

Innovation only works when two (or more) companies are actually competing with one another to create the latest and greatest thing. A larger screen or 30 mins of extra battery life is not innovation.

If more tech companies actually took real strives to innovate, it would force Apple's hand to be more innovative and we would all benefit.
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if you think that samsung has only stopped at larger screens and bigger batteries you have clearly not done any real investigation into what is available these days in Samsung and android devices.

list of things that Samsung and other Android device makers have started including in mobile phones. Some of them might feel gimmicky, but gimmicks are still innovation even if people don't find a lot of use for them.

- "health companion". yeup, the S4 (and I think NOTE III) for example had the ability to monitor health and statistics before the 5s included their "new chip".
- Camera innovations and improvements, for example, being able to use both cameras at the same time with software that can properly use it in unique ways.
- Ability through software design innovation for the network sharing and playing of media files accross multieple deviecs.
- new forms of gesture control tilting the device to navigate and perform tasks on the phone, when necessarily using your hands on the screen is impractical.
- Face monitoring and eye tracking ability
- Infrared transmitter (maybe not all that innovative, but haven't really seen it in a phone, though a PDA)
- Display that recalibrates itself based on content and lighting conditions.


please don't read this as me saying Samsung doesn't borrow either. But they're not this company that doesn't innovate. They throw the kitchen sink in their devices with just about every possible technology they can borrow, steal, come up with, invent on their own. it's not this cut and dry "samsung copies everything and doesn't know how to innovate" crap that gets spout everytime one of these threads comes up.

now,
if only Samsung would stop using crappy feeling materials :(
 
MacVista said:
In the beginning, Dell used to sell a lot of HP printers. Then, one day, they stopped completely, and soon after that, Dell came up with their own OEM line of printers made by Lexmark (who only makes printers).
The point here is that Dell stopped giving money to a competitor, HP, who also manufactures computers.

Here, Apple hired Samsung, a competitor, to build the screens and chips. Apple enabled Samsung's to skip R&D and knock off all of Apple's technology.

It is the same mistake IBM made when it hired Microsoft to write their new OS.
Same mistake Apple itself made when it licensed Mac OS to Microsoft to make Windows 1.
Thus, history repeats itself.
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Care to elaborate on how Samsung becoming a hardware fab partner led to stolen designs?
 
longofest said:
Actually, Apple often repackages other people's tech.

MacOS = Xerox (they stole it)
iTunes = SoundJam (they bought it)
MacOSX = NeXT (they bought it)
MultiTouch stuff = Fingerworks (they bought it)

In Apple's early days, they were stealing along with making their own stuff. Now they buy and make their own stuff.

Everyone seems to have a mix of genuinely their own ideas and picking up other people's ideas and making them their own.
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They also stole, and subsequently got seud by Creatlive labs for stealing the menu structure system of the old ipods. Which apple chose to settle for 100 million.
 
Good stuff, Apple - sue the daylights out of those uninspired Korean copycats.


And if possible, sue the daylights out of that spam company called Google while you're at it.
 
Anim said:
The only thing I dislike about patent wars is some ideas are obvious and should not be allowed submission. "Pinch to zoom" is quite a natural movement for a touch interface, it is so logical that somebody should not be able to claim it as "their" idea. Granted this can be a fine line sometimes but common sense should prevail here.

On the flip side, patents need to be protected otherwise there is no point in the system and everybody will just copy everybody else's idea with no penalty.
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The movement is natural but it's the application to a touch interface that makes it patentable.
 
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