Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone SE Production Just Weeks After Launch Due to 'Weaker-Than-Expected' Demand

[sdfox7]

There are products that Apple has released, cut production volumes, and they ended up being sales successes. The iPhone X had many critical reviews but went on to be the best selling iPhone of Q1 2018.

We also don't know the exact reason for the cuts. Ukraine war, China COVID-19 lockdowns affecting Apple factories (yes, again), etc.

If the US goes into recession as many economists are forecasting, and with $4/gallon gas, SE sales could explode.

Here's a good example:

Apple cuts iPad production to satisfy iPhone demand, report claims​

 

[HalfFullmoon]

There are products that Apple has released, cut production volumes, and they ended up being sales successes. The iPhone X had many critical reviews but went on to be the best selling iPhone of Q1 2018.

We also don't know the exact reason for the cuts. Ukraine war, China COVID-19 lockdowns (yes, again), etc.

If the US goes into recession as many economists are forecasting, and with $4/gallon gas, SE sales could explode.

Here's a good example:

Apple cuts iPad production to satisfy iPhone demand, report claims​

You are in a fantasy world. I just changed the battery on my iPhone 8 and there is absolutely no improvement in battery life. My previous battery health was 87%. So, this can happen the same to a SE 2022 or any phone after two/three years. I am guessing low demand because: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Returning SE 2022 was the best recent decision I have made. Because after two years, Apple would have crippled its battery life with useless software updates. I was always under the impression that one can improve battery life with a simple battery change. Clearly not the case. Even though I wasted $49, now I have a better idea that smart phones are intended to be disposable after two to three years. I am thinking of buying the Samsung A53 and trying it out for two weeks. Because my costs are low, and I can simply throw it out after three years and upgrade to the new model. Sad that this is the state of things, but one has to adapt.

 

[Tscurlo2019]

Surprise surprise not many people want an iPhone 8 design in 2022.

I'm happy with my iPhone 8. At least I'm not having the issues with Facetime audio cutting out like they are having on 12's and 13's.

My son-in-law has the 12 max pro and my daughter has the 13 Max Pro. Every time we facetime with them to visit with our granddaughter, on his phone or her phone, they constantly cut out and we can hear them.

Others that are familiar with the issue, are saying that supposedly Apple removed the "Noise Cancellation" features on both the 12 and 13 and that is causing the issue. It's being talked about all over the Apple Communities and people are ticked.

 

[MBAir2010]

personally
i dont own a phone, but would consider this model
maybe for the camera and iTunes-headphones features.
and that iOS lasting 10 more years

 

[Mega ST]

Because after two years, Apple would have crippled its battery life with useless software updates. I was always under the impression that one can improve battery life with a simple battery change. Clearly not the case. Even though I wasted $49, now I have a better idea that smart phones are intended to be disposable after two to three years.

I only recently retired my iPhone 6S (for an SE3). It still gets updates and works. So it is good for much longer use and I used it a lot, having the battery replaced several times. This long usability and update availability is a major point pro Apple from my view. Compare this to hardwired competitors...Admittedly recent software expects higher hardware specifications so any old phone will start to work slower and get difficulties to digest all the data. That's progress.

 

[HalfFullmoon]

I only recently retired my iPhone 6S (for an SE3). It still gets updates and works. So it is good for much longer use and I used it a lot, having the battery replaced several times. This long usability and update availability is a major point pro Apple from my view. Compare this to hardwired competitors...Admittedly recent software expects higher hardware specifications so any old phone will start to work slower and get difficulties to digest all the data. That's progress.

My iPhone 8 isn’t slower, and I really couldn’t tell the difference in performance between this iPhone 8 and iPhone SE 2022 that I returned, other than the battery life between them. Thinking that I could gain similar battery life by changing iPhone 8’s battery, I replaced the battery while I was at the store. Battery change on iPhone 8 had no impact on its battery life. Then I came to the realization that what ages a phone isn’t battery usage, but the updates. This is what the store employees literally told me, that updates are causing more drain.

I really don’t care about the updates, and don’t know what was in the updates other than more and more new emojis. But this update drain doesn’t seem to be isolated to Apple. I am reading that it affects android devices as well. There is no reason for this as it is creating pure unnecessary waste. Waste of time, waste of money, and no to mention environmental waste. As always, have to wait till EU government gets involved. Maybe in five years or so.

 

[Tunster]

You are in a fantasy world. I just changed the battery on my iPhone 8 and there is absolutely no improvement in battery life. My previous battery health was 87%. So, this can happen the same to a SE 2022 or any phone after two/three years. I am guessing low demand because: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Returning SE 2022 was the best recent decision I have made. Because after two years, Apple would have crippled its battery life with useless software updates. I was always under the impression that one can improve battery life with a simple battery change. Clearly not the case. Even though I wasted $49, now I have a better idea that smart phones are intended to be disposable after two to three years. I am thinking of buying the Samsung A53 and trying it out for two weeks. Because my costs are low, and I can simply throw it out after three years and upgrade to the new model. Sad that this is the state of things, but one has to adapt.

You trade in performance for security. That's why Apple promises updates continually for their products. The battery issues in products post 2-3 years is a non-issue considering there are plenty of decent battery pack products that can offer 4-5 charges on the go. If you want better security and support for App Store moving forward; that's why we get battery degradation. Optimisation is always in favour of the top-tier phones.

 

[HalfFullmoon]

You trade in performance for security. That's why Apple promises updates continually for their products. The battery issues in products post 2-3 years is a non-issue considering there are plenty of decent battery pack products that can offer 4-5 charges on the go. If you want better security and support for App Store moving forward; that's why we get battery degradation. Optimisation is always in favour of the top-tier phones.

Thank you. Battery cases completely escaped me. But now that I am using the iPhone 8 without case, I am enjoying the thinness of the phone. However, I will keep in mind battery cases if I were to switch to a bigger sized phone with bigger battery. Doesn’t make sense to get battery cases for a smaller sized battery.

Also, performance doesn’t have to be traded for security. Windows updates older operating systems for close to 10 years without affecting performance.

 

[Tagbert]

Thank you. Battery cases completely escaped me. But now that I am using the iPhone 8 without case, I am enjoying the thinness of the phone. However, I will keep in mind battery cases if I were to switch to a bigger sized phone with bigger battery. Doesn’t make sense to get battery cases for a smaller sized battery.

Also, performance doesn’t have to be traded for security. Windows updates older operating systems for close to 10 years without affecting performance.

phones vs computers. Different story.

having said that, there is no rule that iOS updates always reduce your battery range. Sometimes they do and other times not. You can’t really generalize so much.

 

[Bart101]

I’m waiting for screen protectors to arrive at my favorite shop before picking 2 of these up later this month. I’m not sure what everyone is going on about. These are by far my favorite iPhones. I will end up getting 4 by the end of the year (1 for me, 1 for the wife, 1 for mom, and 1 spare). I pulled the trigger on an iPhone 11 Pro, but due to the lack of a fingerprint reader it gets used for trips or taking pictures/video. My daily driver is a SE 2nd edition.
the only drawback is the lack of a headphone jack, but I just stopped listening to music on my phone and started watching videos with the speakers on.
hope they don’t discontinue this now. They are slowly taking away my reasons for staying with Apple.

 

[Bart101]

Funny my sister asked what phone she should get yesterday, she has budget android at moment. I recommended a Samsung A52/53 as much better value than the iPhone SE with its tiny LCD screen and a retro home button.

The home button is one of its most appealing features for us. It’s why I won’t be able to upgrade my iPad mini or my iPad Pro. The screen size is fine, I find it more comfortable than my 11 Pro.

 

[Bart101]

Which is almost the same as the 2014 iPhone 6 design.

Why are so many people attacking the design? Especially when many of the critics don’t even own the SE.
I prefer the design, and not changing it for this many years has made it easy and affordable to switch out cases and screen protectors. I wish I had the security of knowing this design would stick around for another decade. Unfortunately it won’t. I like that they update the processor and battery, maybe tweak a few other things, but why change the exterior design. It fits well in my hand, it‘s a good size, and it works brilliantly for all my needs.
Just wish it would stop loading mobile sites instead of full websites.

 

[Bart101]

As an Apple user, I hope this wakes up the powers that be that assist in the design of these devices. Consumers are growing tired of the same designs being presented in front of them as “upgrades”. Hence the reason I didn’t upgrade this year from the 12 Pro Max to the 13 Pro Max.

I completely disagree. My wife and I like this design. It works well, it’s a good size, has all the important features and none of the extra. I’ll be picking up 2 by the end of the month, and another 2 in May. The SE 2 has been excellent since launch, and a welcome upgrade from my 6s and my wife’s 8. i hope they keep having their flagship phones, but leave this product line as is. Why alienate your customer base.

 

[Bart101]

Surprise surprise not many people want an iPhone 8 design in 2022.

Plenty people do. I work with a few, but I’m probably the the most vocal fan of the SE (6/6s/8/SE2/SE3) design. If they only had left the headphone jack it would be near perfect. TouchID is by far the primary reason we keep this phone, but the size and design are major factors. It took getting used to, but I certainly prefer this design over the flagship.
I hope Apple doesn’t mistake economic factors as a lack of interest. Some people just don’t have the money right now. And I’m waiting for the Zagg kiosk to get their screen protectors in (they ran out) before I go pick up my phones.

 

[WLSON]

Seriously asking, you are correct that the 13 Mini is smaller than the Iphone SE 2022, not by much but the point remains, can you name some quality Android phones that have the exact dimensions or are smaller than the 13 Mini, because I have been unable to find any, thank you.

Well, if you want to frame it that way then the iPhone 12/13 is not much bigger than the iPhone SE 2022 ...

I wouldn't be able to tell you because I don't follow android phones and I'm not going to waste my time searching for something that is completely irrelevant as I've explained several times already.

This article is speculative. There’s no definitive proof that it’s ‘not selling well’, Apple hasn’t released numbers and the SE3 has only been available for two weeks, which isn’t even close to being a relative timeline to know one way or the other if the SE isn’t selling well. So if you’re buying into this rumor, then that means you must believe there’s factual evidence, which isn’t supported.

Newsflash: we're on a site called MacRumors. There's even less evidence that it is selling well for that matter, yet you're buying into that. Two weeks of sales data is plenty enough for Apple to adjust production with suppliers, you clearly have no idea how a business operates.

 

[44267547]

There's even less evidence that it is selling well for that matter

So you agree then. There’s no evidence supporting that this phone is not selling well and/or that it is selling well. So the article is totally speculative without support as I indicated, which is contrary to what you said earlier. Therefore, if you’re buying into this phone ‘isn’t selling well’, that means you would have access to Apple’s numbers in terms of sales, which you don’t have. So your argument prior is moot. That’s what I’m trying to convey to you.

 

[WLSON]

So you agree then. There’s no evidence supporting that this phone is not selling well and/or that it is selling well. So the article is totally speculative without support as I indicated, which is contrary to what you said earlier. Therefore, if you’re buying into this phone ‘isn’t selling well’, that means you would have access to Apple’s numbers in terms of sales, which you don’t have. So your argument prior is moot. That’s what I’m trying to convey to you.

No that's not what I wrote. I said there's even less evidence of the iPhone SE 2022 selling well, which means there is some evidence of the iPhone SE 2022 not selling well, i.e. this article.

 

[44267547]

No that's not what I wrote.

Sure it is. Just take a minute go back and read your original posts from a week ago.

hence why it is not selling very well.

This was your original statement that you made that wasn’t supported. So there again, there’s nothing indicating or proving otherwise that this phone is not selling well. So I’ll ask you again, please show me a source that it’s ‘not selling very well’, other than a speculative article clearly that you believe.

 

[MacGekko]

Well, if you want to frame it that way then the iPhone 12/13 is not much bigger than the iPhone SE 2022 ...

I wouldn't be able to tell you because I don't follow android phones and I'm not going to waste my time searching for something that is completely irrelevant as I've explained several times already.



Newsflash: we're on a site called MacRumors. There's even less evidence that it is selling well for that matter, yet you're buying into that. Two weeks of sales data is plenty enough for Apple to adjust production with suppliers, you clearly have no idea how a business operates.

Completely irrelevant to what, your original post? In that post you wrote that the Iphone SE 2022 is not a small phone, it is the second smallest phone produced new in 2022 in the Android or IOS platform, if you are in the market for a small phone, the Iphone 13 Mini and the Iphone SE 2022 are the only phones in town. Hold up the SE 2022 next to the 13 Mini, now hold up the SE 2022 next to the 13, tell me which pair looks almost indentical in size, it is the 13 Mini and SE 2022.

 

[HalfFullmoon]

I completely disagree. My wife and I like this design. It works well, it’s a good size, has all the important features and none of the extra. I’ll be picking up 2 by the end of the month, and another 2 in May. The SE 2 has been excellent since launch, and a welcome upgrade from my 6s and my wife’s 8. i hope they keep having their flagship phones, but leave this product line as is. Why alienate your customer base.

Then why are you upgrading from an SE 2020? I have an iPhone 8, and didn’t notice an improvement in performance when compared to SE 2022. That’s one of the reasons why I returned it. I am guessing you bought it for the same reason as me, for better battery life. The thing is, which I only learned last week after changing my iPhone 8 battery, it is the iOS updates that cause battery drain. So, this battery drain would be more apparent in a smaller phone with smaller battery. This would create a need to buy a new phone every two years to have similar battery life as when phone was new, because battery change won’t solve the issue. So, best to buy the 13 (or wait for 14) as it has a bigger battery, and it will give you three or four more years of usage until iOS updates cripples battery life. This way, you don’t have to waste money updating every two years.

 

[TechnoLawyer]

You mean people don’t want an 8 year old phone with an updated chip? You don’t say.

They missed the boat some. The issue is that it looks old to average people. The person who the A15 is a selling point to doesn't want it in an 8 year old phone.

 

[WLSON]

Sure it is. Just take a minute go back and read your original posts from a week ago.

This was your original statement that you made that wasn’t supported. So there again, there’s nothing indicating or proving otherwise that this phone is not selling well. So I’ll ask you again, please show me a source that it’s ‘not selling very well’, other than a speculative article clearly that you believe.

I guess I was right then, you really do not have any reading comprehension skills.

"That's not what I wrote" is in reply to your statement: "So you agree then. There’s no evidence supporting that this phone is not selling well".

Of course that statement is supported, it's supported by the very article you're commenting under. It's an industry rumor, which is exactly what this entire site is about, hence the name.

Completely irrelevant to what, your original post? In that post you wrote that the Iphone SE 2022 is not a small phone, it is the second smallest phone produced new in 2022 in the Android or IOS platform, if you are in the market for a small phone, the Iphone 13 Mini and the Iphone SE 2022 are the only phones in town. Hold up the SE 2022 next to the 13 Mini, now hold up the SE 2022 next to the 13, tell me which pair looks almost indentical in size, it is the 13 Mini and SE 2022.

Completely irrelevant because even if there are no Android phones that are smaller than the iPhone SE 2022 it does not make it a small phone. It's no secret that smartphone dimensions have ballooned in size over the years. You need your eyes checked then because its dimensions sit exactly in the middle between the iPhone 13 and 13 mini. The SE line has never been about small phones, it's always been about offering an entry level iPhone.

 

[babyexercise]

Look like customers don’t like just updating cpu but nothing else

 

[44267547]

Of course that statement is supported, it's supported by the very article you're commenting under.

I just can’t figure out why you won’t answer the questions that has been asked of you multiple times, and then another member asked you questions, and you refuse to answer those questions too, you just reply with filler in baseless statement's hoping to throw off the discussion.

If you’re wrong, skirting sround with semantics isn’t helping you, just admit that. It’s not that big of a deal. You made a statement saying the phone ‘wasn’t selling well’, there’s no valid source that indicating it isn’t. You said it was, I asked for a source showing me numbers. You can’t provide that. What’s so difficult about that? I mean, it’s really simple.

 

[MacGekko]

I guess I was right then, you really do not have any reading comprehension skills.

"That's not what I wrote" is in reply to your statement: "So you agree then. There’s no evidence supporting that this phone is not selling well".

Of course that statement is supported, it's supported by the very article you're commenting under. It's an industry rumor, which is exactly what this entire site is about, hence the name.




Completely irrelevant because even if there are no Android phones that are smaller than the iPhone SE 2022 it does not make it a small phone. It's no secret that smartphone dimensions have ballooned in size over the years. You need your eyes checked then because its dimensions sit exactly in the middle between the iPhone 13 and 13 mini. The SE line has never been about small phones, it's always been about offering an entry level iPhone.

A 4.7" screen is preferred for some people over the 5.5" Mini screen (and if you don't understand why some people prefer the smallest screen available then I can't help you), you can't change a ruler, you can't alter science and physics, what is irrelevant is how you or Apple markets the phone, they can call it the small phone, you can call it whatever you like, if you want a home button/no notch and a small phone, the SE 2022 is the only choice, if a home button does not matter, then you probably would choose the 13 Mini, and of course the context is what is available in 2022, that is the whole point, if I don't like Max phones, what choices do I have, right now I have 2, simple, call it whatever you want, that is meaningless, and the only eyes that need to be checked are the ones looking at a ruler, the SE does not sit exactly in the middle, look again at the ruler.

And once again, the relevance is what can I buy in 2022, phones have ballooned in size, wow, what a revelation, so I can't buy a brand new 4" SE, I can't buy a 4" Pixel, no this is 2022, so why are you talking about the phone sizes of 5 to 10 years ago, seriously Sherlock, you are proving your own irrelevance with your posts. The only one that is concerned with how the phone is characterized is you, for the people who want to buy the most compact phones in the market today, they have 2 options, so I'll make it easy for you, what is the smallest in 2022, Mini and SE, case closed.