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Looks like I’ll be keeping my 11 for another year and a half. This would be the longest I’ve gone without upgrading; I’ve never skipped more than one gen. I think this speaks to the maturity of the market and Apple’s lack of innovation in recent years.
 
To me, I’ll probably skip the ‘14’, (As it’s likely an ‘S’ year) and hold out for this feature, as the Periscope lens alone is worth the upgrade to have this advantage. Everything is lining up for this to be the big debut in 2023.
The last 2 years were “S” years IMO. 14 is definitely the next big redesign followed by a 15 with a slightly faster CPU and improved camera zoom as the big feature
 
Well, you can't have it both ways (unfortunately) when it comes to a "chunky" camera bump, simple physics applies. The cameras on phones are not "zoom" lenses like you have on traditional cameras, they are fixed and you're dealing with a separate sensor for every focal length you decide to include. Even with that, if you look at the sensors being used for anything outside the main wide camera, they are DINKY. So, you run into a whole host of other issues in regards to usability because the smaller the sensor, the more light is needed to make it usable. As a comparison, as great as the 10x zoom is (for what it is) on the S22 Ultra, compare it to any 10x-equivilent focal range on an actual camera and it falls apart pretty quickly because even the cheapest of the optical zoom P&S's for example use a 1/2.3 sensor, whereas the S22 uses a 1/3.52.

I think phone cameras have hit something of an impasse. Because computational photography has been a remarkable thing, but until the next step of evolution truly occurs, it's still limited by the physical boundaries of the sensors being used. So, we either have to be mostly okay with the results we already have or the sensors are just going to have to get larger, resulting in these larger camera bumps on the phone.
 
I really hope so. It’s too bad the mini is dead (according to all rumors).

Maybe Elon will follow through with creating a normal sized phone. And maybe buy Apple while I’m dreaming.
Elon has enough scratch to buy Twitter, but he doesn't have a couple TRILLION to pony up for Apple.
 
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They should find a different use for that lens apart from 100x zoom. The minuscule number of times anyone needed that kinda zoom does not justify the investment.
apple won't do 100x doesn't mean 5x,10x,20x and 30x aren't great to have
 
Nearly every phone from year to year is like a S one. Smartphones are nearly fully developed, currently there are no huge upgrades to expect.
‘Huge upgrades’ isn’t something that you can loosely say, because it depends on the iPhone model that the consumer is upgrading from. So for example, if I was upgrading from an iPhone 7 to the iPhone 13 Pro Max, that’s a huge upgrade, but on a year-to-year basis is a consumer who upgrades annually, of course every feature wouldn’t be a huge upgrade, because they’re not skipping any generations.

The same could be said for any tech device on an annual basis, there’s not ‘huge upgrades’, it really depends what specific model somebody’s upgrading from.
 
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To me, I’ll probably skip the ‘14’, (As it’s likely an ‘S’ year) and hold out for this feature, as the Periscope lens alone is worth the upgrade to have this advantage. Everything is lining up for this to be the big debut in 2023.
The 12 series was the new squared design iPhone jumping from LCD 11 to XDR OLED.

The 13 series was the S year with battery and camera refinement but keeping the same design identity.

The 14 series will be the new design year for the Pro model with punch hole and improving from stainless Steel to titanium frame.

The 15 series will be the S year of the 14 with battery and camera refinement (periscope) but keeping the same design identity.
 
Elon has enough scratch to buy Twitter, but he doesn't have a couple TRILLION to pony up for Apple.
Nah, Apple is doomed: they can’t make a small phone anymore. They’ll be worth only a few billion in two years.

? of course kidding. Apple won’t ever be bought. It’s hard to comprehend an end to Apple at all.
 
10 x and 30x are plenty useful.
Any time you want a bird or wildlife. Problem is, I think theres still a lot of use for the 3-4x zoom, as well as the Macro and wide angle…and the 1x lol.

So will the next iPhone Pro have FOUR camera lenses on the back? Or will they give one of them up?

This is why the iPhone still has not replaced my other p&s cams. Every year it gets closer, but also more complicated and still with tradeoffs. Even basic p&s have continuous optical zoom lenses allowing you to pick 1.5x, 2.5x, 7x or whatever.
 
The 12 series was the new squared design iPhone jumping from LCD 11 to XDR OLED.

The 13 series was the S year with battery and camera refinement but keeping the same design identity.

The 14 series will be the new design year for the Pro model with punch hole and improving from stainless Steel to titanium frame.

The 15 series will be the S year of the 14 with battery and camera refinement (periscope) but keeping the same design identity.
I don't think there'll be battery improvement for the 15 series as they'll replace the simple telephoto lens with a periscope lens that will take more place in the iPhone. (Besides, it could be only on the Max version...)
Then, for the 16 lineup, they'll make the iPhone a tiny thicker and add a better battery life !
 
I'd prefer something to greatly improve night astrophotography instead.
You're going to need a real camera with a large aperture lens and a larger sensor. Think about astrophotography as being like catching falling rain. The more photons you catch, the better your image can be. You willneed a wide bucket to gather as much as possible. An iphone lens is 26mm focal length with a max aperture of f1.5. The lens itself is only a few mm in diameter. A DSLR 24mm f1.4 lens has an aperture area of 231 sq mm. The iphone lens is only a tiny fraction of that size. You're not going to capture nearly as much rain in that tiny bucket. And then the sensor size becomes the next issue.
What iphone cameras are able to capture in astrophotography is frankly miraculous. The truly great astro shots you see are being taken with thousands of dollars worth of equipment, hours of exposure time with tracking and guiding mounts/tripods and tons of post-processing.
 
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They should find a different use for that lens apart from 100x zoom. The minuscule number of times anyone needed that kinda zoom does not justify the investment.
Apple will NOT pull a Samsung and stretch a 10x optical lens to digital/computational 100x, but more importantly, for MANY users a good zoom lens is far more than a minuscule use - obviously you don't have children/grandchildren in musical/stage productions or sports that are always across the room/field from where you get to sit.They are also crucial in taking candid shots when you don't have to be standing right on top of a kid opening a birthday present, much less the effect of a wide landscape shot tightened to a close up to enhance the detail in the image.

This would be the last piece of the puzzle to leaving my bulky Nikon bag home for most events...

I really hope so. It’s too bad the mini is dead (according to all rumors).

Maybe Elon will follow through with creating a normal sized phone. And maybe buy Apple while I’m dreaming.
? - Musk snagged the twitterverse for paltry $44B - Apple NET INCOME for Q4 2021 alone was $20B...
 
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Apple will NOT pull a Samsung and stretch a 10x optical lens to digital/computational 100x, but more importantly, for MANY users a good zoom lens is far more than a minuscule use - obviously you don't have children/grandchildren in musical/stage productions or sports that are always across the room/field from where you get to sit.They are also crucial in taking candid shots when you don't have to be standing right on top of a kid opening a birthday present, much less the effect of a wide landscape shot tightened to a close up to enhance the detail in the image.

This would be the last piece of the puzzle to leaving my bulky Nikon bag home for most events...


? - Musk snagged the twitterverse for paltry $44B - Apple NET INCOME for Q4 2021 alone was $20B...
OK so he could buy the company for a year then, lol.
 
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