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Bloomberg's Mark Gurman today held a Q&A session focused on the Apple Car, in which he revealed that the vehicle's chip would have been equivalent to four M2 Ultra chips combined. He also said the vehicle had an underlying "safetyOS" system that was one part of the overall operating system, but he did not elaborate.

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Gurman also briefly touched on a few other topics, including that Apple apparently "just started formal development" of a new MacBook Pro with an M4 chip. He did not provide any additional details about the chip, which has yet to be announced by Apple.

Apple announced the M1 chip for Macs in November 2020, followed by the M2 chip in June 2022 and the M3 chip towards the end of October 2023, so there has been around a year-and-a-half gap between each of the chips being introduced. If that pattern continues, the M4 chip would be released in the first half of 2025. However, a late 2024 release is also possible if the interval shrinks to one year.

Apple last updated the MacBook Pro lineup in October with M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips. As part of that refresh, Apple discontinued the 13-inch MacBook Pro and replaced it with a new base model 14-inch MacBook Pro with the M3 chip. Apple has also updated the iMac and MacBook Air with the M3 chip, leaving the Mac mini, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro as the only current-generation Macs still equipped with the M2 family of chips.
Current ChipLast UpdatedNext ChipETA
13" MacBook AirM3March 2024M42025
15" MacBook AirM3March 2024M42025
14" MacBook ProM3/M3 Pro/M3 MaxOctober 2023M4/M4 Pro/M4 MaxLate 2024/2025
16" MacBook ProM3 Pro/M3 MaxOctober 2023M4 Pro/M4 MaxLate 2024/2025
iMacM3October 2023M42025
Mac StudioM2 Max/M2 UltraJune 2023M3 Max/M3 Ultra2024
Mac ProM2 UltraJune 2023M3 Ultra2024
Mac miniM2/M2 ProJanuary 2023M3/M3 Pro2024

Apple's chipmaking partner TSMC is expected to begin volume production of chips based on its 2nm process in the second half of 2025, so the M4 chip will likely remain 3nm like the M3 chip. However, the M4 chip will likely be manufactured with an enhanced version of TSMC's 3nm process for improved performance and power efficiency.

Last month, the Taiwanese publication Economic Daily News reported that the M4 chip will feature an upgraded Neural Engine with "significantly" more cores for artificial intelligence tasks, but no other specific details are known about the chip at this time.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly 'Just Started Formal Development' of M4 MacBook Pro
 
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MacTwick

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Looking to upgrade My M1Pro 14" soon, was hoping the M4 was coming out this year. Looks like it'll be 2025 if true. Gotta hang in there a little longer!
 
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bradman83

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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the M4 this fall instead of early 2025. Apple has historically released updates to its most popular models on an annual basis (sometimes even more frequently).

The M1 and M2 rollouts were slowed by Covid supply chain issues, especially lockdowns in China that didn't end until late 2022, plus TSMC's 3nm rollout delays, so looking to those upgrade cadences might not be accurate. Apple debuted the M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max in one event and thus kept a roughly annual upgrade schedule for the MBPs.
 

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Honestly with the M4 and M5 being so close in time, I’m no longer sure what to wait for, because the M4 will use a similar node, while the M5 will use the new node at 2nm using a new transistor architecture (GAAFET). Maybe it’s worth waiting until the second half of 2025.
 

Keymaster

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It seems like Apple should wait for the 2nm process before releasing the M4, it's going to be very close in time to a lot of these releases. It might stretch out the releases a bit, but it's a good reason to wait. There's not a strong reason for annual releases, the machines aren't so much of an improvement year to year to make it worth upgrading a computer that often. And, really, the M3 is already so much that there's not a big reason to update for a few years.

It's a good time to be a Mac user, the computers they are putting out are mostly great (ahem, get it together Mac Pro!).
 

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Honestly with the M4 and M5 being so close in time, I’m no longer sure what to wait for, because the M4 will use a similar node, while the M5 will use the new node at 2nm using a new transistor architecture (GAAFET). Maybe it’s worth waiting until the second half of 2025.
Wait for the M5, it is The Ultimate Computer and it has wireless power
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Current ChipLast UpdatedNext ChipETA
13" MacBook AirM3March 2024M42025
15" MacBook AirM3March 2024M42025
14" MacBook ProM3, M3 Pro, and M3 MaxOctober 2023M4, M4 Pro, and M4 MaxLate 2024/2025
16" MacBook ProM3 Pro and M3 MaxOctober 2023M4 Pro and M4 MaxLate 2024/2025
iMacM3October 2023M42025
Mac StudioM2 Max and M2 UltraJune 2023M3 Max and M3 Ultra2024
Mac ProM2 UltraJune 2023M3 Ultra2024
Mac miniM2 and M2 ProJanuary 2023M3 and M3 Pro2024
Where does this table come from? MR generated? Mark Gurman?
 
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