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Apple Reportedly Not Paying OpenAI to Use ChatGPT in iOS 18

If anything, OpenAI should be paying Apple! After all, Google pays Apple billions every year to have their search on the iPhone.
 
t0rqx said:
And their data to train.
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Etc_ said:
Of course they do. This ChatGPT integration is just a fancy API call. Or why do you think the user has to confirm the requests for using ChatGPT every single time?
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User 6502 said:
In your dreams. Of course they are getting data, why do you think you have to consent for the query to be addressed by ChatGPT? Clearly whichever privacy arrangement is in place for ‘Apple intelligence’ does not apply when you choose to use ChatGPT.
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Etc_ said:
I agree with your leverage part, but:

1) Apple just introduced Apple Intelligence?! Clearly they want their own AI infrastructure, but they are late to the party so they have to partner with OpenAI until their own foundation is "good enough" to replace that. You can find more info about, what and how they are training their own models (spoiler: "licensed data, including data selected to enhance specific features, as well as publicly available data collected by our web-crawler, AppleBot") on the dev site.
Edit: And of course Apple could monetize it in the future. Once Apple Intelligence is out of beta it could get its own subscription, be part of a paid iCloud membership or Apple One. They even could offer a "business tier" with specialized features for developers,...

2) They said during the Keynote they want to include more models and plattforms in the future. So Gemini is just one of them. I would argue the integration is not at a system level as you said. They showcased how it works, basically local on device first, then Apples Cloud and if that is not enough the user gets asked if they want to use third-party services. Even in the video it just looks like a regular ChatGPT API call (which they easily can replace with any other plattform if they want or maybe the user sets in the settings).

3) If you consent to the request for using ChatGPT of course they'll get your user data. Because why consent in the first place? I agree with the subscription part, but I don't think Apple gets a cut.
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Etc_ said:
Do you have a source for that? I am not trying to argue, just curious where they say this.

Edit: Found this:

That's a little bit cryptic. They won't store the data, but they still could use it? And if I login with my OpenAI account all the rules won't apply?
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OpenAI CTO Mira Murat has said “Apple has said that it won’t share use data with OpenAI, and that OpenAI will not train its models with Apple user data”.

http://9to5mac.com/2024/06/12/chatgpt-isnt-safe-says-musk/
 
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virginblue4 said:
OpenAI CTO Mira Murat has said “Apple has said that it won’t share use data with OpenAI, and that OpenAI will not train its models with Apple user data”.

http://9to5mac.com/2024/06/12/chatgpt-isnt-safe-says-musk/
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Etc_ said:
That's a little bit cryptic. They won't store the data, but they still could use it? And if I login with my OpenAI account all the rules won't apply?
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You can have an account with OpenAI and use that instead of Apple's free OpenAI access. In that case OpenAI terms of service apply, not Apple's. There is usually an API key involved that you have to get from OpenAI. But I suppose Apple will make it more seamless to connect iOS with the OpenAI API.
 
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All the laptops with the glowing Apple on the back should have been free (or at least sold at cost) because they were promoting the Apple brand
 
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Etc_ said:
Do you have a source for that? I am not trying to argue, just curious where they say this.

Edit: Found this:

That's a little bit cryptic. They won't store the data, but they still could use it? And if I login with my OpenAI account all the rules won't apply?
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"Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured."

If they can't store the request, they can't really use them to train models.
 
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Eh, don't care. Not gonna use the ChatGPT integration either way

I hope you can't flat out disable it instead of having to tell Siri "no" every time
I can do my own research anyway, all I want is for Siri to be able to actually do things on my device - I don't need it to access the whole ass entirety of human knowledge.
 
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bLackjackj said:
Wow,..I'm amazed that Apple has hoodwinked OpenAI into providing their service for free! Is there anything that this trillion dollar company can't scrooge?
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Don't forget that Microsoft is entitled to up to 49 percent of the for-profit arm of OpenAI, that helps put things into perspective!
 
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No cash, doesn't mean no payment. Could easily be access to compute resources or a ton of Mx chips.
 
hans1972 said:
"Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured."

If they can't store the request, they can't really use them to train models.
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The next sentence says: "Users can also choose to connect their ChatGPT account, which means their data preferences will apply under ChatGPT’s policies." So as soon as I login those protections become obsolete?
 
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I think Open AI is going to give Tim Cook an OpenAI Board seat and then Microsoft is going to go crazy! 😃 It's brilliant because OpenAI needs a way to keep Microsoft in check!
 
arkitect said:
And we all know that when you don't pay, you are the product… so… yeah.

OpenAI are definitely getting something in return. Just, perhaps not in cash.
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Sad thing is that phrase isn’t entirely true anymore. Increasingly, you get to both pay and be the product!
 
SoldOnApple said:
AI is going to be the new search engine monopoly. When AIs become good search engines themselves where does that leave Google Search...
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Forget Google, where does that leave the web? Who's going to create the content when nobody's going to it directly but only reading an AI's interpretation of it?

Macalicious2011 said:
You are comparing Apples to Oranges. MS reasons for working with Openai are long term. Apple's reasons are short-term:
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I agree with this, not least because I think OpenAI's business model will change over time when they decide it's time to make money. They're in the grow-your-user-base period at the moment, giving their product away for free, but eventually they'll expect users to pay for it either directly or through adverts. Now Apple aren't going to want OpenAI's adverts appearing in Siri, so at that point what happens?
 
hans1972 said:
"Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured."

If they can't store the request, they can't really use them to train models.
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From what I understand, ChatGPT requests within Siri and writing tools are not going to be stored. What about request outside Siri and writing tools? Will they be stored?
 
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Apple said in their presentation that they will hide the IP address of any query sent to ChatGPT and that by contract they are not permitted to save any queries. Outside of that, we don’t know any more particulars. At least by hiding the IP address, the query becomes anonymous to some extent.

My guess is OpenAI went into this knowing they will get 1.5 billion new customers from iPhone, Mac, and iPad customers. If only a tiny fraction of them sign up for the paid version, they will make enormous amounts of money. Say only 0.01% sign up. That’s still 1.5 million new paying customers. Even if OpenAI gets no new data at all to train their AI, they still make huge amounts of money. At $20/month, that’s $30 million per month in revenue.
 
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What's the catch? Nothing is free. Usually when something is "free" you pay with your data... I can only assume that this will scale up to millions if not billions of queries per day, who pays the bill for the data centers?
 
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I imagine there’s no deal, but the fact that openai is getting all this press is probably worth it and the user base. Not to mention apple probably wanted ann exclusive deal that OpenAI didnt want to take.
 
So, is there an agreement? Musk seemed to say the contrary the other day.
 
Associating "Free" with ChatGPT is not going to make Mother Earth happy. Currently the amount of electricity (server infrastructure) to respond to a question is not inconsequential. Imagine the scale needed when everyone with an iPhone is sending one set of tokens per minute for analysis. I am certainly not arguing that AI (either version) is bad, it is just not very close to "Free" right now (as Nvidia shareholders rejoice).
 
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