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Damn apple bots are getting smarter
It’s still can be done slowly rather than abrupt as USB-C reverse charging and data communications starts to allow new ways to interact with next iPhones. Certainly take years to have a sizable amount of iPhone users with iPhone 15 models, but new Sony optics, faster A17, change of buttons, could move everything faster if the new models offer significant improvements compared to iPhone 14, iPhone 14 plus.
 
Clearly, Well done.

I was commenting on you saying "why should apple switch to USBC".
Imo, the argument and discussion around usb-c vs lightning seems like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin" argument. The people who bemoan they have to now carry "two" cables? What you're going somewhere and you have to carry two cables instead of one and that is a life's burden? I don't think Apple saw any practical benefit to it's customers for switching to usb-c and the downside such as they environmental waste that would ensue.
 
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Apple will either have too much stock of the cases to write off, or, they will be getting them cut price (because they are being outdated/replaced) from their regular suppliers, in which case, they will make an even bigger profit.
 
Imo, the argument and discussion around usb-c vs lightning seems like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin" argument. The people who bemoan they have to now carry "two" cables? What you're going somewhere and you have to carry two cables instead of one and that is a life's burden? I don't think Apple saw any practical benefit to it's customers for switching to usb-c and the downside such as they environmental waste that would ensue.
Obviously if your using iPads, Macs, you already have incentive to using USB-C cables and power adapters already especially those small duel output adapters. This seems overly focused towards current iPhone owners only vs everyone else. We all had to stop using older cabling previously anyway. ;)
 
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Except it's not. The lightning connector on my iPhones has gone mushy and doesn't always connect after about 2 years, the same thing is happening to my current iPhone. And yes I've cleaned the port of lint.

My MacBook Air on the other hand with USB C which is 5 years old clicks in solidly every time.

Thank you for your one data point.
 
Thank you for your one data point.

It's multiple iPhones this has happened with so there's a few data points here.

The Lightning connector also has its connectors exposed so more likely to get damaged, which has happened. And also the port given it doesn't have a central nib means it's more open so collects more lint.

The trump card for Lightning when it came out was it was reversible, which USB-C solves. It is objectively a worse connector.
 
Imo, the argument and discussion around usb-c vs lightning seems like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin" argument. The people who bemoan they have to now carry "two" cables? What you're going somewhere and you have to carry two cables instead of one and that is a life's burden? I don't think Apple saw any practical benefit to it's customers for switching to usb-c and the downside such as they environmental waste that would ensue.

One connection type for all Apple devices is more convenient. Might not be much more convenient than two, but it's still more convenient. Sorry, but you can't argue against that.
 
Why should apple have moved to usb-c? There is little benefit to me and i suppose others who are against this as well. The EU by legislating this created an environmental nightmare. I don’t care if apple was making a fortune on lightning this is the EUs doing.

"Me". It is not about you. It is about the planet. But thank you proving my point.
And only proper way to move forward is lean into it.
 
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No offence but just because you personally haven't noticed a difference doesn't mean there isn't an overall trend. Basic stats 101 there.
Right. The point is that I'd hazard a guess that by far most people don't experience these problems in general. Those having issues are more incentivized to speak up.
 
It is objectively a worse connector.
It's an objectively a worse connector if you need substantial power, or fast data rates. Again, thank you for your anecdotal data points.

With respect to mechanical robustness, it's far worse.

My anecdotal data points: Having used Lightning since it was introduced for iPhones, iPads, mice, keyboards, AirPods, Beats, etc. I've had zero problems.

I do have USB-C connectors that have become loose over time.

USB-C is great for devices that need fast data rates and don't need frequent insertions/removals; such as disk drives, displays, computers, etc - things that you might connect/de-connect a few times a year.
 
Good! Everybody has a ton of Lightning cables, might as well keep using them. Switching to USB-C is bad for the environment because everyone will have to purchase new cables and throw the old ones away.
That’s short-term, motivated thinking. Overall switching to usb-c will be a net positive for the environment and if Apple had chosen to do this years ago they would’ve created less waste. But Apple was more concerned about profit than the environment
 
There’s no reason for Apple to both continue to ship cables that they know their users will break, and also charge more money for them.
But if Apple stopped shipping cables that break they wouldn’t be able to make as much money from people replacing those cables all the time. That’s #courage
 
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"Me". It is not about you. It is about the planet. But thank you proving my point.
And only proper way to move forward is lean into it.
You proved my point there is no real reason to force a switch to USB-C. By doing so the EU created an environmental nightmare. I suppose this is one of those things that people won't agree on.
 
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It's multiple iPhones this has happened with so there's a few data points here.

The Lightning connector also has its connectors exposed so more likely to get damaged, which has happened. And also the port given it doesn't have a central nib means it's more open so collects more lint.

The trump card for Lightning when it came out was it was reversible, which USB-C solves. It is objectively a worse connector.

If you want to speak anecdotally I've had three iPhones and two Androids. Never had an issue with Lightning ports on any of those iPhones, but on one of my Androids the port failed, and the other is now starting to fail. You see, there's not much value in one person's anecdotal experience.

From some guy who tested both Lightning and USBC:
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USBC is more more convenient and can provide faster charging and data transfer rates, but Lightning seems more robust.
 
One connection type for all Apple devices is more convenient. Might not be much more convenient than two, but it's still more convenient. Sorry, but you can't argue against that.
Objectively one connector is more convenient, but subjectively in my opinion it makes no difference. (Now I'm sure others will chime in differently, but that's for everybody to decide for themselves.) And yes I can argue that subjectively it really makes little difference and the environment waste outstrips the "benefit" of carrying one cable.
 
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Yes, that works both ways. If you do a quick internet search, you'll find those who have used both Lightning and USBC tend to find Lightning more reliable.
Kinda hard to quantify that, because there are so many lightning only iPhones in use, and no USB-C iPhone users to directly compare long term reliability. The unplug/attach which is more reliable really is a future debate. MicroUSB vs lighting is not a direct comparison either. I think some better Apple power capable USB-C cables are superior to the thin Apple lightning cables that I have worn out through normal usage.
 
Objectively one connector is more convenient, but subjectively in my opinion it makes no difference. (Now I'm sure others will chime in differently, but that's for everybody to decide for themselves.)

Well, ok. Glad we've established one reason for Apple to move to USBC for iPhone is that it's objectively more convenient. Thank you lol.

And yes I can argue that subjectively it really makes little difference and the environment waste outstrips the "benefit" of carrying one cable.

This is not really correct. IN THE LONG RUN having one cable for all Apple products will reduce waste, not increase it.
 
Kinda hard to quantify that, because there are so many lightning only iPhones in use, and no USB-C iPhone users to directly compare long term reliability. The unplug/attach which is more reliable really is a future debate. MicroUSB vs lighting is not a direct comparison either. I think some better Apple power capable USB-C cables are superior to the thin Apple lightning cables that I have worn out through normal usage.

I'd guess Apple's implementation of USBC will be similar to those on existing Androids. But fair point they might make it more durable with a better coating or something.
 
Well, ok. Glad we've established one reason for Apple to move to USBC for iPhone is that it's objectively more convenient. Thank you lol.
Subjectively it isn’t though.
This is not really correct. IN THE LONG RUN having one cable for all Apple products will reduce waste, not increase it.
Objectively and subjectively throwing hundreds of millions of already, existing reusable cables into the environment is not better. Which is why objectively although 1 less than 2 it is not better.
 
Objectively and subjectively throwing hundreds of millions of already, existing reusable cables into the environment is not better. Which is why objectively although 1 less than 2 it is not better.

Which is why I said "in the long run". Existing Lightning cables will go to waste, but in the future once Lightning is ousted there will just be USBC.
 
Typical Apple. However, there are some adapters for those who want to go exclusive with USB C cables. Also, some cable makers offer magnetic adapters so that you can use same cable for multiple plug type devices. You can probably see some reviews on Y--tube.
 
Which is why I said "in the long run". Existing Lightning cables will go to waste, but in the future once Lightning is ousted there will just be USBC.
In the long run usb-c cables are not all the same either. By the time “in the long run” happens usb-c will be no more. So, imo, in the long run it’s still not, a friendly environmental move.
 
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