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tripsync

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I mean... yes.

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That would be an incredibly, mind numbingly stupid thing to tell people yes.
 
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henkie

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Again, problem is overproduction of USB-C. Switching to USB-C will cause manufacturers to produce more usb-c than we need.


Disagreed. I believe Apple can remove the lightning cable today from the box. But because iPhone switched to USB-C, it's more than likely Apple will be forced to include the cable for the next several years.



They listed environment as a key reason for it.

They also stated USB-C: "as they will be able to use one single charger for a whole range of small and medium-sized portable electronic devices.". But good luck when devices go portless and needing a brand new cable.



There's no proof that it would be a plus for the environment. Unless you're projecting calculations then you can project calculations for disposal of USB-C cables after phones go portless. Saying USB-C is stored in a box instead of disposal doesn't make it any better as the emissions already were emitted in over production of USB-C cables.
This keeps going in circles. Let’s try this again.
1. Usbc is a port used by virtually all new (and older) electronic devices. Heck, even Apple uses it in many of its devices, except iPhone and AirPods. I think Apple should leave the usbc cable out of the box, since most people will have a usbc cable lying around. The only exception being Apple fanboys who do not have a relatively new iPad and somehow are devoid of non-Apple devices. They probably can afford a 5 dollar usbc cable.
2. Not all iPhone buyers are former iPhone owners, but are coming from Android. I.e. with the iPhone 15 they will not need a new cable. In contrast, those same buyers would probably not have a lightning cable to connect and charge their iPhone 15 or AirPods if these would still have a lightning port.
3. Lightning is inferior to usbc: tell me about all of this lightning innovation as of late? Usbc has been gaining higher charging and transfer speeds in the meantime. And there is more to come with the amount of headroom left.
4. This wireless revolution will take a while considering Apples magic charging mat flop that never materialized. Let alone the power inefficiency and how hot these charging mats sometimes become. Charging via a port will be very much a thing for a long time!
6. Myself, I have an iPhone and love it, despite lightning: it is super inconvenient not be able to top it off with the same cable or charger as your iPad or MacBook or when at my parents place who use android phones.
 

darngooddesign

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…Myself, I have an iPhone and love it, despite lightning: it is super inconvenient not be able to top it off with the same cable or charger as your iPad or MacBook or when at my parents place who use android phones.
Just leave a Lightning cable at your parent’s house.
 

darngooddesign

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It’s shocking how hard some people are ready to defend an outdated port. Good thing Apple doesn’t listen to you, we would still be stuck with 30-pin connector iPhones
It’s shocking how incorrect you are because I have no problem with the USB change, but why on earth wouldn’t you leave a Lightning cable at your parents’ house. I leave a Lightning cable in my desk at work, along with a mouse, so I don’t have to carry them with me. And when I get my 15 Pro, I’ll leave a USB-C cable at work too.
 

lordofthereef

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I might swing for this. Have avoided airpods for years but my jaybirds are acting up, and while I like them, have gone through two sets (one through best buy warranty replacement)
 

SirAnthonyHopkins

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That would be an incredibly, mind numbingly stupid thing to tell people yes.
Why? If you don’t want new features, keep the old phone. It’s always been that way. What other option does someone who doesn’t want USB-C have? Likewise if you still want a headphone jack, keep your iPhone 6.
 

scottylans

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So so excited to have one less stupid lightning device in the house! Really happy to see the back of that cable.

Now to convince the wife to sell her airpods and get a new iPhone and it's done, I can get rid of that stupid cable forever.
 
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Abazigal

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3. Lightning is inferior to usbc: tell me about all of this lightning innovation as of late? Usbc has been gaining higher charging and transfer speeds in the meantime. And there is more to come with the amount of headroom left.
It's probably more accurate to say that usb-c is superior to lightning for a small subset of iPhone users who do happen to need that faster transfer speed. For everyone else, they would likely be indifferent because they only plug in a cable to charge (I know several people who still use their OG 5w charging brick to charge their new iPhones), and good luck trying to explain to them why different usb-c cables come with different transfer speeds (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 Gen 1 and 2, 3.2 Gen 1, 2 and 2x2, Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 4, and USB4), why some cables are longer, why some are thicker, why some support HDMI and some don't, much less how to tell them apart.
 

kerr

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I won't buy this but since apple is going to reduce noise cancelation on AirPods Pro 2 30% or 50% I will be pushed to buy this or forget about nc.
Reduced is the wrong word, enhanced would be correct. Compared to the original AirPods Pro, noise cancelling is better not worse on the AirPods Pro 2.
 

Woochoo

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Don't see the relevance.

1st gen iPad Pros had lightning ports transferring at USB 3.0 speeds actually. If lightning speed was essential for iPhones, Apple would have brought it over and updated the cables. But you know why they didn't? Because that would create a disaster for people who have 10 lightning cables because they'll be throwing it away for the newer USB3.0 lightning cables which is basically happening with USB-C right now.

Reuse existing cables for charge, transfer stuff wirelessly. Update the cable when iPhone goes portless. It's more environmentally friendly this way.

BS logic, if transfer speed wasn't relevant why would they bring it now to iPhones? You know what's environmentally friendly? Designing your products with standard ports so everyone can use the same cables instead of having to buy new ones. But you can keep licking Apple's boots if that's what makes you happy.
 

iFishishh

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thanks EU for this environmental disaster. could have kept using billions of perfectly functioning lightning cables but nope.

it's clear EU has no idea what they're doing. look at the annoying cookie popups for further proof. anyone who thinks otherwise is in absolute denial.
Where was that energy when they switched from the 32 pin connector? Lol this is an Apple W. A rare W but still a W.

The bigger Apple was becoming under Tim Crook the further away they drifted from what we paying customers actually want. Think of EU as a primary shareholder speaking with our best interests going forward
 

Mrkevinfinnerty

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We're producing billions of unnecessary USB-C cables so you couldn't be bothered to carry an extra cable (which by the way, I'd still be taking more than one because I enjoy charging more than one device at a time)?

I stand by what I said. Environmental. Disaster. It's far better to have Apple *not* include the cable in the box which they could have easily done with a lightning port.


October 2023 after the USB C iPhone triggers Environmental. Disaster.


 
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dba415

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Pretty sure Apple has data on how people charge their AirPods. If the majority did charge via wireless, they would have eliminated the port.

In 2023, many enthusiasts have a surplus of Lightning cables that's going to ewaste. It is quite an environmental disaster.
Your point makes zero sense.

So when Apple decides to cause environmental disasters by replacing the old adapter with lightning or removing the headphone jack it's okay.

But when the EU forces apple to cause an environmental disaster it's bad?

Do you really care about environmental disasters or do you just worship apple?
 
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henkie

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Makes a ton of sense. Apple's data showed plenty had usable charging bricks and charging ports. So they removed it.



What? That makes no sense.
He/she means that perfectly good headphones that use the industry standard 3.5 jack were now unusable for the new iPhones accept when buying an adapter. Or to buy Bluetooth headphones with batteries. But you know what: I guess your opinions would be different if it was Samsung using lightning and needed to change to usbc.
Even if iPhones would be using the blood of newborn puppies some people here would defend Apple tooth and nail.
 

karranz

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Reduced is the wrong word, enhanced would be correct. Compared to the original AirPods Pro, noise cancelling is better not worse on the AirPods Pro 2.
Apple reduced the noise cancellation of AirPods Pro when the second generation came out. Apple said they did that because of legal issues.
 
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