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Ok but none of that matters to people in the real world its a debating topic on a forum. People just see the cost of Apples new phone $350 more than the new phone was two years ago.

Nobody in the real world thinks that a 64gb iPhone 5 from 2012 is directly comparable to a 64gb iPhone XR. Thats absurd.:D
Nobody is a absolutist term that all it takes is one to be proven wrong. And your statement is incorrect anyway. I can get a phone for $749 or less that has more capability than my current phone. To prove a point you are arguing from a fallacious point of view.
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iPhone displays running at low brightness because the batteries are too small exacerbates the effects of PWM
Even when plugged in? And new battery?
 
Ok but none of that matters to people in the real world its a debating topic on a forum. People just see the cost of Apples new phone $350 more than the new phone was two years ago.

Nobody in the real world thinks that a 64gb iPhone 5 from 2012 is directly comparable to a 64gb iPhone XR. Thats absurd.:D
But last year at this time when the WSJ trotted out the same basic argument to as a reason for alleged production cuts, iPhone X was still the top selling phone worldwide for the next 6 months.

That's why people who have been following these stories for years don't give them any credence.

Apple puts pressure on its suppliers all the time and shifts orders. Tim Cook was a supply chain guy at Apple going back to the iPod era.

Here is Tim Cook commenting on this 5 years ago:

"I would suggest it's good to question the accuracy of any kind of rumor about build plans and also stress that even if a particular data point were factual, it would be impossible to accurately interpret the data point as to what it meant for our overall business because the supply chain is very complex. And we obviously have multiple sources for things, yields might vary, supplier performance can vary, the beginning inventory positions can vary. I mean, there's just an inordinate long list of things that would make any single data point not a great proxy for what's going on."
 
Nobody is a absolutist term that all it takes is one to be proven wrong. And your statement is incorrect anyway. I can get a phone for $749 or less that has more capability than my current phone. To prove a point you are arguing from a fallacious point of view.
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Even when plugged in? And new battery?

No. No i'm really not.

Rumbecker questioned it aswell because your argument is nonsense.

Apples flagship phone, regardless of how much they will sell you a watered down version or a two year old model for, is now $350 more expensive that in was two years ago.

Put all of the spin on it you like. This is a fact.
 
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Apple has always been an elitist brand. With the iphone 5 64gb in 2012 selling for $849, is proof of that. The Xr, with the obvious 6 year tech advantage is less than $849.

So you only get to have this one way. Apple was an elitist brand from the start as well as other manufacturers that sell expensive phones. You don't get to say Cook has turned apple into an elitist brand when Jobs was introducing phones 6 years ago more expensive than today's models.

I pay cash for my phones, but it seems people do opt for the various financing options available.

NB. By your definition of elitist any manufacturer that produces a wide range or products at various price points is elitist.
News flash. Tech gets cheaper over time. What cost a fortune ten years ago is worth next to nothing today. Especially in the smartphone market. Comparing what a phone offered six years ago to a ohone offered today is pointless. Don’t you think all the other manufacturers did not improve their products? They just were able to do it without raising the price as much as Apple did. And Apple was able to do the exact same for many years under Steve Jobs. Only lately all the prices went up. Not just the iPhones but also the iPad Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, etc.
 
But last year at this time when the WSJ trotted out the same basic argument to as a reason for alleged production cuts, iPhone X was still the top selling phone worldwide for the next 6 months.

That's why people who have been following these stories for years don't give them any credence.

Apple puts pressure on its suppliers all the time and shifts orders. Tim Cook was a supply chain guy at Apple going back to the iPod era.

Here is Tim Cook commenting on this 5 years ago:

"I would suggest it's good to question the accuracy of any kind of rumor about build plans and also stress that even if a particular data point were factual, it would be impossible to accurately interpret the data point as to what it meant for our overall business because the supply chain is very complex. And we obviously have multiple sources for things, yields might vary, supplier performance can vary, the beginning inventory positions can vary. I mean, there's just an inordinate long list of things that would make any single data point not a great proxy for what's going on."

Time will tell. My take, If Apple thought there was any growth left in the iPhone they would still be reporting unit sales numbers like they've been happy to do in the past.
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News flash. Tech gets cheaper over time. What cost a fortune ten years ago is worth next to nothing today. Especially in the smartphone market. Comparing what a phone offered six years ago to a ohone offered today is pointless. Don’t you think all the other manufacturers did not improve their products? They just were able to do it without raising the price as much as Apple did. And Apple was able to do the exact same for many years under Steve Jobs. Only lately all the prices went up. Not just the iPhones but also the iPad Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, etc.

It is honestly one of the most surreal arguments I've ever seen someone try to make. :D
 
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Apples flagship phone, regardless of how much they will sell you a watered down version or a two year old model for, is now $350 more expensive that in was two years ago.

iPhone XR gets top billing on apple.com, so it's hard to argue it's not a flagship.
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Not at all. Apple's 2018 iPhones are the XR, XS, and XS Max. Apple unveiled all 3 at the same event.

Regarding sales, Apple analysts have a long history of misreading weak iPhone demand based on supplier rumors:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/12/app...history-of-misreading-weak-iphone-demand.html

Again, Apple has never been coy about sales numbers in the past so the fact that they dont want to report them anymore probably tells its own story.

Time will tell.
 
News flash. Tech gets cheaper over time. What cost a fortune ten years ago is worth next to nothing today. Especially in the smartphone market. Comparing what a phone offered six years ago to a ohone offered today is pointless. Don’t you think all the other manufacturers did not improve their products? They just were able to do it without raising the price as much as Apple did. And Apple was able to do the exact same for many years under Steve Jobs. Only lately all the prices went up. Not just the iPhones but also the iPad Pro, Macbook, Macbook Pro, etc.
The infamous News flash! iPhone XR costs less than What’s yout point? The note 9 plus others is just as expensive, some more so?
 
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What the heck happened to AAPL market cap? Down to $759B with just a 1.5 point drop. It's on its way to dropping nearly half of its market cap in one month.
1) The same thing that happened to FB, AMZN, NFLX, and GOOGL.
2) Some have lost 50% like NVDA.
3) Stocks go up and and down in the short term.
4) Nothing has changed since Apple reported 20% revenue growth and 41% was growth.
5) A lot of fake newsand stock manipulation.
6) AAPL would have to go to $115 to lose half its market cap. It could happen, but I doubt it. I’d certainly be buying more
 
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No. No i'm really not.

Rumbecker questioned it aswell because your argument is nonsense.

Apples flagship phone, regardless of how much they will sell you a watered down version or a two year old model for, is now $350 more expensive that in was two years ago.

Put all of the spin on it you like. This is a fact.
You can spin this anyway you like, but the prices speak for themselves based on your own criteria, of which you moved the goal posts.
 
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1) The same thing that happened to FB, AMZN, NFLX, and GOOGL.
2) Some have lost 50% like NVDA.
3) Stocks go up and and down in the short term.
4) Nothing has changed since Apple reported 20% revenue growth and 41% was growth.
5) A lot of fake newsand stock manipulation.
6) AAPL would have to go to $115 to lose half its market cap. It could happen, but I doubt it. I’d certainly be buying more

Definitely agree with #5

It happens every year, but people still think "pump and dump" is a myth. Apple's stock price is easily manipulated precisely because of how popular the company is and how widely held its stock is. It's more difficult to manipulate the stock price of a company no one ever heard of and few own.
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:D

Nope. You're still comparing the best smartphone you could buy in 2012, with the 2018 iPhone watered down model.

Absolutely bizarre.

The base-tier iPhone 5 was $649 in 2012.

The base-tier iPhone XR is $749 in 2018.

Adjusting for inflation, $649 in 2012 is $729.13 in 2018.
 
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Definitely agree with #5

It happens every year, but people still think "pump and dump" is a myth. Apple's stock price is easily manipulated precisely because of how popular the company is and how widely held its stock is. It's more difficult to manipulate the stock price of a company no one ever heard of and few own.
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The base-tier iPhone 5 was $649 in 2012.

The base-tier iPhone XR is $749 in 2018.

Adjusting for inflation, $649 in 2012 is $729.13 in 2018.

Again. In 2012 the iPhone 5 was the best phone Apple made. In 2018 the iPhone XR is a watered down version of the best phone that Apple makes.

There was also much less by way of quality competition from elsewhere in 2012. The iPhone 5 was probably the best smartphone on the market. The iPhone XR definitely isn't now.
 
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Definitely agree with #5

It happens every year, but people still think "pump and dump" is a myth. Apple's stock price is easily manipulated precisely because of how popular the company is and how widely held its stock is. It's more difficult to manipulate the stock price of a company no one ever heard of and few own.
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The base-tier iPhone 5 was $649 in 2012.

The base-tier iPhone XR is $749 in 2018.

Adjusting for inflation, $649 in 2012 is $729.13 in 2018.
And in 2013 the base-tier was $549 and now it's $749. Can you adjust for inflation this one for us? While you are at it can you audjst for inflammation how much the base-tier went from 2012 to 2013?

The flagship 2012 iPhone was the iPhone 5 no matter how much storage the phone had. In 2018 the fkagshop starts at $999, the Xr is not a flagship just like the 5c was not a flagship. I love the mental gymnastics going on here.

Next you will be saying per square inch the phone has gone down in price since the iPhone 4s was released.
 
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And in 2013 the base-tier was $549 and now it's $749. Can you adjust for inflation this one for us? While you are at it can you audjst for inflammation how much the base-tier went from 2012 to 2013?

The flagship 2012 iPhone was the iPhone 5 no matter how much storage the phone had. In 2018 the fkagshop starts at $999, the Xr is not a flagship just like the 5c was not a flagship. I love the mental gymnastics going on here.

Next you will be saying per square inch the phone has gone down in price since the iPhone 4s was released.
Right and this is still reasonable. Since 2012 my taxes have gone up, cable bill has gone up, virtually everything has gone up. We see cell phone manufacturers selling phones, including Apple in the triple digits. But this moves the goal posts again. People and blogs and analysts said the Apple is crazy with the iPhone X, they were all wrong.
 
Definitely agree with #5

It happens every year, but people still think "pump and dump" is a myth. Apple's stock price is easily manipulated precisely because of how popular the company is and how widely held its stock is. It's more difficult to manipulate the stock price of a company no one ever heard of and few own.
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The base-tier iPhone 5 was $649 in 2012.

The base-tier iPhone XR is $749 in 2018.

Adjusting for inflation, $649 in 2012 is $729.13 in 2018.
Which is a lot less than the base Xs price and that would be the only appropriate comparison to make. I am not even trying to compare it to the Xs Max which is the real flagship this year.
 
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Right and this is still reasonable. Since 2012 my taxes have gone up, cable bill has gone up, virtually everything has gone up. We see cell phone manufacturers selling phones, including Apple in the triple digits. But this moves the goal posts again. People and blogs and analysts said the Apple is crazy with the iPhone X, they were all wrong.

And in 2002, I paid $2000 for a desktop, $3000 for a laptop and $1000 for a Tv, guess what? All those products have gone way down. Adjusted for inflation my 2002 Dell laptop should be 5k yet Dell is selling laptops for under 300$.
 
People and blogs and analysts said the Apple is crazy with the iPhone X, they were all wrong.

This article and the people in this thread who seem delight in it are a repeat of last year as well, and they are wrong again.
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The reality distortion field is in overdrive in this thread. :D

Has anybody compared the price of an iPhone XS to the original Apple 2 yet?
The total sales for Apple 2 were probably less than the opening weekend of IPhone X sales, or a year of Pixel sales, so it’s not really relevant.
 
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