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I already don't like the fact of small internal storage. and i do not care for cloud storage either. why cant they use a bigger internal storage and have cloud there as a backup, or have we gone back in the times where 16bg is allot.

This is for videos WTF am i going to do with 16gb. watch a whole 2 HD movies on it.
 
I don't either, but it's still DARN NICE to just select a movie from my library and start playing it. I don't have to get up and look for the movie (I own over 400 so it's not as simple as you might think to find it quickly). I don't have to wait for it to load up. I don't have to put up with it trying to make me watch movie previews. I don't have to waste my time watching the same FBI warning from the past zillion years OVER and OVER and OVER. It just starts playing my darn movie! To quote, Doctor Who, "FANTASTIC!" In fact, ALL my media is like that now through AppleTV (photos, movies, tv shows, music). Yes, it was a pain to encode all those movies and scan all those photos (let alone clean them up with Photoshop) and CDs, but now that it's done, it's ALL GOOD. The things I can do having my library digital.... I can quickly transfer movies straight onto my iPod Touch or even my MBP or Netbook to watch on the go. I can copy songs over to an MP3 stick to play in my car stereo (up to 16GB of music at the size of my thumb! AWESOME) and I can show even OLD photos on my 93" projector, transfer them to the notebooks or iPod Touch to show people or just send them over the Internet to family and friends.

DVDs? CDs? BLECH!!!! :)


Everything you said it's true.
Another day I looked into my CD collection and was wondering if I should put on ebay or craigslist and get rid of it. I still have an attachment to it because I am designer and I enjoy the booklets and the physical touch of it, BUT the truth is it has been sitting in my shelves and I hardly ever touch it after I transfered everything into iTunes.
My next goal is to do the same with my DVDs and videos. I am just waiting for Apple to tell me what will the next AppleTV be like. I just hope it can play VIDEO_TS folders so I don't have to go through Handbrake and such. That would save tons of time.

Also, I hope the UI is very simple because wife and kids sometimes might feel challenging to use it and in the end I have to do the whole thing for them.
 
They've already offered it for some time now. It is called iPod Touch or iPhone running Apple's Remote app. :)

Presumably having an iPhone or iPod Touch would be the best option, but surely it's a step too far for an Apple TV to require both a computer and a touch screen device. Perhaps a simple track pad would be an optional accessory for those without an iPhone/iPod touch. If it's going to buy into the whole iPhone OS ecosystem (with Apps etc) then some form of touch surface remote is vital.
 
How could this only cost $99??? The iPhone 3GS costs $179 to manufacture as it is. Removing the LCD and Digitizer would only knock off $36 from that. So that's a $143 manufacturing cost! :confused:

That has to be just average cost based on the whole package, including R&D, which would't be much for a product that is just "an iPhone without the display".

I can't imagine a single iPhone costing Apple $179 to make, in terms of materials, components and labor. That's insane, and they sure have a huge production volume.
 
$99 is very reasonable, considering is a basically an iPod Touch without any touchscreen capabilities.

There is no evidence that would suggest that it won't perform the same current functions with streaming your iTunes library to your TV.

The current Airport express is $99.
So what happens to that?
Or is the device really the upgrade to the express to include :apple:TV functions as part of an improvement to AirTunes.
The mobo in Express is probably bigger than the one in the iPod Touch anyway.
Plus with iPhoneOS 4 seemingly going to include printer function then it's a pure upgrade. Just add a HDMI port to the express and it's done.
Plus change the remote to bluetooth.

Would fit with the "small device" claims.

In which case will the whole Airport range get a Aluminum and glass make over to match the Macbook/iPhone/IPad look and feel. As well, as upgrades to include AppleTV function.
 
Easier and less expensive to simply get an external 1 or 2 GIG Firewire drive to your Mac and use as a Movie folder for iTunes. Then stream to Apple TV when needed. It means you always have your movies to take anywhere if needed.


Or just get a PS3, which can directly playback from memory cards, external hard drives or its own integrated hard drive in true 1080p, supporting pretty much all video formats including divX.

I was actually surprised when I found out my PS3 could do this. Why the hell would I buy an ATV? Why would anyone?

I remember my friend showed me his, he was so proud of it, and I'm like "so... you basically paid 300 bucks for a small hard drive that can connect to the TV?" He's like "well... no you don't understand, it's an APPLE TV!!

So yeah, lowering the price doesn't just make sense, it's pretty much Apple's only move considering the competition.

Depending on the streaming service, if I could control it directly from the TV it would still be interessting -- not having to transfer video to harddrives. But it would have to be good. No Apple, I'm not paying for 720p. It's not 2007 anymore.
 
Please Apple, put some clothes on...

Apple needs to get over itself concerning iTunes. iTunes is ok as a home music server. I use it and have over 16K tracks (57 days) of audio and I like it for that. But when it comes to the online store, why would I pay money for sub-quality audio and video? Why would I do that? Sure it's easy, but is it practical? I wouldn't buy software online that was of lesser quality than a physical copy why audio and video? :rolleyes:
 
Apple needs to get over itself concerning iTunes. iTunes is ok as a home music server. I use it and have over 16K tracks (57 days) of audio and I like it for that. But when it comes to the online store, why would I pay money for sub-quality audio and video? Why would I do that? Sure it's easy, but is it practical? I wouldn't buy software online that was of lesser quality than a physical copy why audio and video? :rolleyes:

You are in the 0.1% that care that the quality is slightly degraded. I used to care and bought the physical copies. Then I realized that I cant tell the difference and neither can most others. 256kbps is more than adequate. This is your issue, not an issue with iTunes.
 
It sure is. Makes you wonder if MacBook Air is the next receiver of an A4 implant? Hmm. Is the A4 up to the task of running the full Mac OS X?

There needs to be a tier of devices that run a "full capability" processor and OS, such as OS 10.6.x.

There needs to be a tier of devices that run an application specific capability processor and OS, such as iPOS 4.

The form factors Apple presents for sale have a price point, a processor family, and an OS level, which work in some harmonious way.

Currently OS 10.6.x has a much wider base of "uses". iPOS 4 has a much newer hardware and software and 3rd party software rev with an associated crippleware hardware spec. The ecosystem is designed to be agnostic toward crippled hardware in favor of wireless network resources the desktop OSX devices lack. They lack it as a result of a marketing department choice.

iPad has shown adding 3G to any Mac need not cost more than $139, and that is the opt-in price not the base feature price, which might be $40.

Rocketman
 
The current Airport express is $99.
So what happens to that?
Or is the device really the upgrade to the express to include :apple:TV functions as part of an improvement to AirTunes.
The mobo in Express is probably bigger than the one in the iPod Touch anyway.
Plus with iPhoneOS 4 seemingly going to include printer function then it's a pure upgrade. Just add a HDMI port to the express and it's done.
Plus change the remote to bluetooth.

Would fit with the "small device" claims.

In which case will the whole Airport range get a Aluminum and glass make over to match the Macbook/iPhone/IPad look and feel. As well, as upgrades to include AppleTV function.

I understand your point, but the Airport Express is a router, the Apple TV is an iPod (and sounds like it will continue to be).

The remote needs to be bluetooth, I agree.

As for the look and feel, it can't go aluminum because Wi-Fi does not penetrate it well (which is why all Apple products have their Wi-Fi antenna under some kind of plastic or rubber, like with it being under the Apple Logo on the iPad or new iMac).
 
Here, we have a statement that Apple TV is already capable of 1080p. Since WHEN??? Apple TV cannot even play high-bit 720P, let alone 1080p!!! Just because the menu says "1080p output" that does not mean it's capable of 1080p playback. It simply up-converts the signal (i.e. 720P information hidden in 1080p clothing; essentially it's still 720p perhaps even worse since as people using LCD monitors can attest, "Native" output ALWAYS looks better than any kind of up or down-conversion scaling. Broadcom modifications with XBMC hacking don't count because it's a major hardware modification and not something Apple can just throw a software switch to "fix" all the models already out there with. It also eliminates the 802.11N capability so I hope such users have an Ethernet connection. Otherwise, they'll have to add an external USB option and the unit will always have to be hacked to operate it.
you are quick to jump to conclusions. did you not read my last post? (on page 14 i think?). my whole point being that the :apple:TV COULD play full 1080p video IF apple designed the device correctly. never once did i state that it currently was possible without modifications from either apple or 3rd party devices. my post gave evidence as to how it could be possible for apple to modify the current system to allow native full 1080p playback on the :apple:TV :D

i am WELL aware of the differences between output and levels of decoding that are available.

This is probably why so many Blu-Ray users SWEAR on here that Blu-Ray looks SO SO SO SO much better than AppleTV (supposedly not only due to the higher resolution, but also due to the fact that Apple has to compress it more than Blu-Ray),..
its true though. the blu-ray versions DO look at lot better then apples pathetic 1-2gb versions. of course they do, as a ~30GB file is going to look better then a 1-2GB file. that being said, apple do get their rips from a higher source then the BD movies themselves (probably from originals directly from the vendor) - so they do normally have a lot more colour/vividness.

But I can guarantee every time the truth is presented to the masses, they will reject it and proclaim "their truth" (i.e. what they see on their own usually tiny set and whatever buying choice they have made) is "right". [/quote]
id like you to point out my "untruths", ive stated nothing but factual results from real world tests. no mis-information involved at all, maybe some mis-reading though ;)

If Apple does have some idea of selling or renting 1080p, I hope they start selling some very large hard drives. Typical Blu-Ray encodes in 1080p online are 8-10GB (about 2x-3x more than a typical 720P "low" encode). At that rate, a 1TB drive could be filled up with as few as 100 movies!!!
i like this point. explains nicely why apple hasnt implemented full quality rips - but they should still give the options for people if they want to.

Ultimately, people want their cake and they want it for nothing. I call it the Wal-Mart mentality. They talk BIG about 1080p and how awful 720p is and then they settle for watching heavily compressed YouTube and Hulu because it's free. :rolleyes:
i am one of the 1080p "people". i can notice the differences between compressed video (720p vs 1080p) using my iMacs 2560x1440 screen, and i can also notice the subtle differences in audio (being a drummer has turned me insane). personally i only deal with uncompressed video/audio because i prefer to "future proof".

:)
 
I own an Apple TV and a Samsung blue ray player and I prefer using the Apple TV. Sure the picture quality of blue ray is superior, but as far as I can tell the SD iTunes movies look as good or better than most DVDs and the HD movies and tv shows look just a hint below blue ray. The difference is very slight and makes very little difference. I prefer to store my movies digitally without having to run to the store and they look pretty darn good.
 
I'm just happy people are talking about the AppleTV. I'm sitting here typing this on my Macbook Pro, looking through the iTunes HD rentals on my AppleTV, flipping through everything using my iPhone as the remote.

At $99, the adoption rate of this box should be high enough for Apple to really start focusing on the content/format wars.

I can imagine looking through a list on content on my iPhone/iPad, selecting what I want to watch, and then flicking it to my AppleTV.
 
I'm not familiar with the WDTV. Where do you purchase videos that will work on the device?
There really isn't anywhere you can purchase videos for the WDTV (it's pretty much an open box which means the content providers aren't going to support it). You need to create your own content from DVD rips or pirate the content over BitTorrent. That's why the WDTV is a geek-oriented, niche product, even more so that the Apple TV.

It's estimated that Apple has sold something over six million Apple TVs which makes it one of the most successful pure media extenders on the market. That's not as many units as the PS3 or XBox, but you can be almost certain that it is a lot more than the Roku player, Popcorn Hour/PopBox, VUDU box, or any of a number of similar products that are currently on the market.

Here are some links that document the estimated sales on the Apple TV:

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/Piper_Jaffray_Estimates_2.9M_Apple_TV_Sales_in_CY2008/

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/is-apple-planning-a-dvr-and-web-enabled-tv-set--559416
 
this issue [1080p decode on the Apple TV's GPU] is VERY un-documented formally. but i will try my best to show you :)...from a practical sense of things, this user states that it seems to play fine (no specifics unfortunately). thus far i have been unable to find any reviews comparing a singular file :( i shall keep searching.

more: this guy states that the 7300 significantly reduces the load on the CPU. this article here backs up those claims (look at the "H.264 1080p Decoding" image) - CPU usage of 80.8% is reduced to 22.1% using the 7300..
Okay, I looked at those links and frankly they don't seem conclusive (thanks, however, for providing them). In fact, there are a few sections from those links which seem to place some doubt on your claim that the Apple TV's GPU could easily handle H.264 encoded, 1080p video. For example, that second link was from a user who was having problems with 1080p playback until he upgraded his Core 2 Duo PC system to use a multi-threaded player and upped the CPU clock to 2.33GHz (he was still having some problems when the CPU was running at only 1.86GHz). In any case, your links do suggest the following about the GPU in the Apple TV (NVIDIA GeForce 7300 Go):

1.) It should be able to handle MPEG2-encoded 1080p content (which would include MPEG2-encoded Blu-ray discs).
2.) Systems using NVIDIA VP1-enabled GPUs (same general family and generation of processor as in the 7300 Go) can handle H.264-encoded HD content when they are paired with dual-core Intel processors. That may even include the ability to decode some H.264 1080p content.

Other than that, I think it's still an open question as to whether the Apple TV (as a system) could handle 1080p content. In any case, I'd be happy if Apple updated the current Apple TV to allow 720p30 which has already been demonstrated to work when you hack the system to allow the transfer of such content to the Apple TV.
 
The Remote Control UI Is Crucial

Presumably having an iPhone or iPod Touch would be the best option, but surely it's a step too far for an Apple TV to require both a computer and a touch screen device. Perhaps a simple track pad would be an optional accessory for those without an iPhone/iPod touch. If it's going to buy into the whole iPhone OS ecosystem (with Apps etc) then some form of touch surface remote is vital.

it ONLY makes sense to run the iPad OS on ATV if the same touch UI can be utilized somehow for apps and everything. the current ATV remote control is an old-school cursor control. the current Remote App for iPhone basically allows your finger to act like a pointer - an improvement, but still restricted to the same ATV grid UI designed for the cursor. neither is capable enough for the iPad OS.

there are remote iPhone apps, like TouchMouse, that turn your finger into a mouse, good now for folks with a Mac connected to their TV. this is better. but Apple can provide a new app that makes your iPhone/touch/iPad into the complete remote touch UI control for ATV.

actually, requiring consumers to own an Apple iPhone OS device in order to use their cheap ATV makes total sense. Apple sells hardware. it could be a package deal. it would support for iPhone/touch/iPad sales. it would further cement the Apple "ecosystem" (or "walled garden") in place. and it would be very "elegant."
 
...and i do not care for cloud storage either. why cant they use a bigger internal storage and have cloud there as a backup...

I'm thinking it would continue as is: You have your own mini-cloud at home in the form of an always-on computer running iTunes.

Having said that, cable, satellite and terrestrial TV all come from a cloud right now. Always have.
 
I'm thinking it would continue as is: You have your own mini-cloud at home in the form of an always-on computer running iTunes.

Having said that, cable, satellite and terrestrial TV all come from a cloud right now. Always have.

I wasn't talking about a standard home network where you can share the data over your network. I was mainly talking about internet storage of your downloads.

What would happen if you lost your internet connection (aka someone ran into a poll, or your modem blew up), then you don't have access to your content.

I am just glad its not going to be 100% cloud computing.
 
Imagine gaming.

Imagine having this hooked up to your TV, having friends over, pairing your phones or iPods or iPads to it, and playing a racing game. Or a shooting game. Or a board game. When you're done, there are no additional batteries to charge, no games to put away, no clutter, just fun. Talk about a ton of wasted gaming peripherals being a thing of the past: how many controllers do you think have been thrown out in the last 20 years?

Then imagine this as a new meaning of media. Would you pay $30 a month for unlimited access to iTunes content (TV, Music, Movies)? I would, in a heartbeat. You wouldn't need cable, there would be no point besides live sports and live TV (watch the LOST finale in realtime, etc.) but those are secondary or tertiary to me, and probably to others as well. You wouldn't need a DVR, the shows start when you want. You could maybe even get cheaper service with ads, but the most perfect ads possible. Ads that are really well built that are specifically targeted at you. Ads that are fun. Like games, or little movies, or other cool interactive stuff.

I think this thing could be huge, absolutely massive. I'd buy one for my apartment in a second.
 
Imagine gaming.

Imagine having this hooked up to your TV, having friends over, pairing your phones or iPods or iPads to it, and playing a racing game. Or a shooting game. Or a board game. When you're done, there are no additional batteries to charge, no games to put away, no clutter, just fun. Talk about a ton of wasted gaming peripherals being a thing of the past: how many controllers do you think have been thrown out in the last 20 years?

Last I checked the Apple TV is NOT a video game device. If it were to become one it will use the app store. most of the games in the app store are one player games.



Then imagine this as a new meaning of media. Would you pay $30 a month for unlimited access to iTunes content (TV, Music, Movies)? I would, in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Fair enough. But thats a subscription. remember what Jobs said back in 2003 when he introduced the iTunes music store (remember at that time iTunes only did music. Nothing else) he compared the new iTunes music store to services such as raphsoty. (sp) If you do not pay that $30 you will loose all your content regardless if you back it up or not.

You wouldn't need cable, there would be no point besides live sports and live TV (watch the LOST finale in realtime, etc.)

I'm 20 and I plan to move out on my own very soon and i know I wont get cable. no real point. I get my news in REAL time on line. Live sports? meh I could head to a friends house or get the scores later. Lost.... man that was a good finale.


You could maybe even get cheaper service with ads, but the most perfect ads possible. Ads that are really well built that are specifically targeted at you. Ads that are fun. Like games, or little movies, or other cool interactive stuff.

I think the ads should be targeted based on your area and may be even age based on what is said on your apple/itunes account. So if your a 35 year old who lives in the country the ads could show an local farming equpment store. If your a 14 year old kid, perhaps an ad for a local teen resource center. If your an 65 year old, perhaps an local senior center or even local places that give senior discounts.

In the end the ads will be local.

I'm just a bit sad that Windows Media Center never really took off. Hopefully Apple can lead the way and may be even surpass Tivio.
 
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