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You're comparing a revolutionary world-changing product...to an iteration of that product that doubles the price and removes half of the best features.

Try to comprehend this.
Revolutionary is hindsight. Before the iPhone launched critics called it an overpriced touchscreen with no keyboard, no 3G no MMS no copy/paste and said it couldn’t compete with BlackBerry or Nokia. It only became obviously revolutionary after it proved itself.

That’s exactly why I’m skeptical of declarations that the foldable is obviously going to fail.

Try to comprehend this.
 
When the iPhone launched, was it launching into a very specific market (touch screen candy bar) other players had been in for nearly a decade?

I don’t have a problem with your argument, I have a problem with your comparison. Most people Are bad at comparison. Don’t feel too bad.

Apple literally won by making it first to market with a touch interface phone - THE iPhone.

(Don’t @ me with stupid outlier examples of other touch or “smart” technologies in the market before the iPhone.)
The iPhone wasn’t the first touchscreen phone. I won’t name all the examples because you already know. What Apple was first to do was make the modern smartphone mainstream with a far better implementation. That’s exactly the point being made here. Success isn’t always about inventing a category it’s often about executing it so well that the mass market finally cares. So your criticism of the comparison actually reinforces it. Also opening with most people are bad at comparison while making an inaccurate claim that Apple was first to market with a touchscreen phone is quite amusing.
 
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The iPhone wasn’t the first touchscreen phone. I won’t name all the examples because you already know. What Apple was first to do was make the modern smartphone mainstream with a far better implementation. That’s exactly the point being made here. Success isn’t always about inventing a category it’s often about executing it so well that the mass market finally cares. So your criticism of the comparison actually reinforces it. Also opening with most people are bad at comparison while making an inaccurate claim that Apple was first to market with a touchscreen phone is quite amusing.
First, maybe cut back on the monsters.

B) the number of “touch” phones that sold before the iPhone was introduced was was in the tens of thousands (pick a number).

The number of foldable phones sold to date is somewhere near 100 million.

My point: you are comparing two different products, two different markets, and two different ages.

They are not comparable yet you keep trying to compare them.

“people thought the iPhone would fail and it didn’t.”



“people think a foldable iPhone will fail so I will probably succeed!!”
 
People have money for the things they actually want. I remember the iPhone 4 being backordered in 2010 with insane demand despite the economy being far worse than it is today. Plus the carriers will be likely offering financing that keeps the monthly cost reasonable to most. Heck, GTA just sold millions of units just off preorders. There's money if people actually want your product and I'd wager that a lot of people will want this iPhone.
FWIW, while I generally agree, the economy wasnt better back then for the average person. The “economy doing fine right now” bit masks that wealth inequality is literally at the worst it’s been since, well, basically Jim Crow. It’s worse than the gilded age. The robber barons have nothing on the tech barons of today.

2008 and it’s aftermath sucked, but for a huge portion of this country today is worse

That said, as I said before, there’s still a lot of folks who can afford either the up front or monthly cost for a $2,000 phone so assuming it’s compelling I do think it will sell well
 
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First, maybe cut back on the monsters.

B) the number of “touch” phones that sold before the iPhone was introduced was was in the tens of thousands (pick a number).

The number of foldable phones sold to date is somewhere near 100 million.

My point: you are comparing two different products, two different markets, and two different ages.

They are not comparable yet you keep trying to compare them.

“people thought the iPhone would fail and it didn’t.”



“people think a foldable iPhone will fail so I will probably succeed!!”
You lose credibility the second you open with cut back on the Monsters.

Nobody is arguing that every doubted product becomes a success. The comparison is that Apple has a history of taking niche compromised products and making them mainstream. Comparing 2007 touchscreen sales to 2026 foldable sales while saying they’re not comparable is a pretty self defeating argument.
 
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Wouldn't a foldable phone have more surface area for heat dissipation?

Only when its open
Sure, but that’s when a foldable needs that increased surface area, to dissipate the increased heat generated by its big internal display, especially when it’s at full brightness. When a foldable is closed, the internal display is off, and so the amount of heat the phone generates is pretty much the same as a non-foldable slab phone. The back of the half that contains the logic board and the other circuitry (mainly radio) which generate half or more of the heat (depending on how bright the screen is) is always exposed to the air, folded or not, so it's always able to shed that heat like a slab phone does. There’s also a graphite sheet that runs between the two halves which distributes heat more evenly, including delivering much of the heat to the hinge, which acts as a big heat sink.
 
Whoever at apple thinks they're gonna sell 10 million of these folding phones the first year at over $2K a pop in this economy should be ordering crack pipes instead of vapor chambers.
This I kinda have to agree. While the time is nigh to release, financially, it's gonna be rough for people, I myself, feel like people are broke too...
 
It’s going to be very interesting to see how Apple pitch this foldable. When the iPhone first came out there were lots of gaps that it filled but also innovation in how the gaps were filled. I’m sure a big screen will be super nice (I’ve used PM phones for years) but I’m not sure why gaps are there to fill. Very curious how Apple will sell consumers on this, especially if the price tag is north of 2k.
 
Apple is no longer the biggest smartphone maker, and the entire segment is at a 13-year low with shipments down 11%

I'm all for new innovative products, but this folding phone just looks like an apple version of something that's a niche segment. Especially if this comes out at a $2000 price point, what's the market for this?
The market? Well if my math is correct, if Apple sells 10 million iPhone Folds at $2000, they make $20 Billion. No one would pass that up!
 
Am I the only one who thinks this obsession with “borderless” displays is actually counter-productive. How do you hold a device that has screen from edge to edge without accidentally touching something? I need a border. Sure, not a massive one but a border nonetheless.
 
Are we though? This is what we know about the product:

Upgrade: Unfolds into a small tablet for viewing things larger (but still too small for any true tablet utility like multiple apps or multitasking or pseudo laptop replacement...the kind of things a 10"+ iPad can achieve).
Downgrade: Losing Face ID in favor of god-awful side button Touch ID.
Downgrade: Short, wide aspect ratio for the folded display which becomes your everyday iPhone size.
Downgrade: 2 cameras instead of 3.
Downgrade: No MagSafe.
Downgrade: Nearly double the price of your last iPhone purchase.

What am I missing? None of that is expected to be inaccurate. Those are all well corroborated facts about this product.
Fair point. So far as I've ever learned with Apple, keep away from Rev A devices. Ultimately like you, I just don't know what this phone is truly conveniencing, enhancing or solving. A micro iPad when... you've got a video to watch, or document you want to edit, with same paltry battery as other iPhones?
 
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Are we though? This is what we know about the product:

Upgrade: Unfolds into a small tablet for viewing things larger (but still too small for any true tablet utility like multiple apps or multitasking or pseudo laptop replacement...the kind of things a 10"+ iPad can achieve).
Downgrade: Losing Face ID in favor of god-awful side button Touch ID.
Downgrade: Short, wide aspect ratio for the folded display which becomes your everyday iPhone size.
Downgrade: 2 cameras instead of 3.
Downgrade: No MagSafe.
Downgrade: Nearly double the price of your last iPhone purchase.

What am I missing? None of that is expected to be inaccurate. Those are all well corroborated facts about this product.
I genuinely have my doubts that magsafe will be left off
 
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Fair point. So far as I've ever learned with Apple, keep away from Rev A devices. Ultimately like you, I just don't know what this phone is truly conveniencing, enhancing or solving. A micro iPad when... you've got a video to watch, or document you want to edit, with same paltry battery as other iPhones?
Won't be good for video because of the aspect ratio. Looking at the unfolded size, a widescreen video will have no more space on the unfolded display as it would on a Pro Max. It will be better for web pages, some kinds of documents, and photos...things that reflow to any aspect ratio. But...marginally so compared to say, a Pro Max.The iPad mini is still too small for good iPad multitasking, and this is even smaller. So the answer to what this is accomplishing or solving is very, very small.

If you could have a device that was a good size and weight for an iPhone with no feature compromises...and then magically blows up into a 10" iPad when you want it to...no one could argue the utility. But this is the furthest thing from that fantasy concept.
 
Upgrade: Unfolds into a small tablet…
Downgrade: Losing Face ID in favor of god-awful side button Touch ID.
Downgrade: Short, wide aspect ratio for the folded display which becomes your everyday iPhone size.
Downgrade: 2 cameras instead of 3.
Downgrade: No MagSafe.
Downgrade: Nearly double the price of your last iPhone purchase.
From my perspective and waiting until Foldable 2 next year:

Upgrade: Unfolds into a small tablet…
Not a downgrade: … Touch ID.
Not a downgrade: Short, wide aspect ratio for the folded display …
Upgrade: 3 cameras
Upgrade: MagSafe.
Moot: Nearly double the price of your last iPhone purchase ***
*** I‘ll keep my XS until then
 
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People arent allowed to speculate on what is literally a rumor? Like, you know what site we’re on, yeah?
Sure you can speculate on a rumor. But when you question something that has been corroborated by multiple separate reliable sources, which have previously proven to be as good as Apple saying it themselves, you're going to have to do better than "Nah".
 
Sure you can speculate on a rumor. But when you question something that has been corroborated by multiple separate reliable sources, which have previously proven to be as good as Apple saying it themselves, you're going to have to do better than "Nah".
Fairly certain that particular rumor only has one source, who’s been wrong before…
 
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