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Don't forget the usual hardware and software defects a new phone typically offers. Last year was the hissing noise. The iPhone 8 already has battery swelling issues.
 
Why is it so unrealistic? Reducing the sensitivity of the sensor a little bit sounds exactly like something Apple would do to get to the "it just works" point.
We don't know what this "loss in accuracy" even means. I don't think there will be a big deviation from what they communicated in September. And I think that Apples initial specs are soooo over the top that they are able to reduce the specs in order to still be over everyone in the market.
 
This is the perfect news article for the Apple haters.

- We aren’t going to be able to look at sensors in a phone (for example, from an iFixit teardown) and spot any irregularities.
- We aren’t going to be able to take early production iPhones and compare them with later versions to verify if there are any differences in the sensors.
-We won’t be able to extensively test newer and later iPhones with enough faces to be able to verify that one sensor is more or less reliable, accurate or faster than another.

In short, there is absolutely no possibility anyone will ever be able to verify this rumor. In spite of this people will be able to claim that we’re getting an inferior version of FaceID (the signature feature of the iPhone X and the future of authentication for Apple) in our phones. They will follow this up by transferring the burden of proof to others asking them to “prove a negative” (prove Apple didn’t do this). Since nobody can provide any proof they can claim victory.

I don’t think I could have come up with a better rumor if I tried. It’s basically perfect.
I think Apple will address it at some point. This rumour could really well be drastic. Maybe just an email (we have had a few of those in the last couple days). And I also think that we will get some feedback at the next earnings call in two weeks.
 
Agreed, but the general feeling I have for many years is that the rush to push out new iPhone models like clockwork every year means that Apple is conservative in its design changes, and the quality of other products suffers (e..g. Mac). Innovation comes and goes in fits, not on a schedule. Even if the iPhone X worked flawlessly, there are still aspects about it that aren't great design IMO, such as the notch and the protruding rear camera. I am upgrading (from a 4S), and I am concerned that the iPhone X will be plagued by teething problems. And we still do not have an answer as to how the iPhone will handle glasses etc.

I would listen to your intuition and consider a different model. I made the mistake of buying an iPhone 6+ despite reports of it bending. It turned out the design on the 6+ was flawed. When the case became hot or stressed, the case warped near the location of an ill-placed support screw. This design flaw was changed for the 6S+. Still this caused endless grief for me--four iPhone replacements due to warping and screen issues (the dreaded Touch disease which turned out to be true despite those who drink the Apple Kool-Aid). Apple partially acknowledged the issue but only offered a reduced repair rate. (How generous! /s) I sold the last replacement phone before the problem manifested again.
 
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This is the perfect news article for the Apple haters.

- We aren’t going to be able to look at sensors in a phone (for example, from an iFixit teardown) and spot any irregularities.
- We aren’t going to be able to take early production iPhones and compare them with later versions to verify if there are any differences in the sensors.
-We won’t be able to extensively test newer and later iPhones with enough faces to be able to verify that one sensor is more or less reliable, accurate or faster than another.

In short, there is absolutely no possibility anyone will ever be able to verify this rumor. In spite of this people will be able to claim that we’re getting an inferior version of FaceID (the signature feature of the iPhone X and the future of authentication for Apple) in our phones. They will follow this up by transferring the burden of proof to others asking them to “prove a negative” (prove Apple didn’t do this). Since nobody can provide any proof they can claim victory.

I don’t think I could have come up with a better rumor if I tried. It’s basically perfect.

I'm all set *puts army hat on*
 
However, it always looks bad to say you are opening your specs to use parts that would not have met your original requirements.

In some cases, yes, but since no one here knows what the original specs were, how they were altered, or how the product performed before and after the changes, any impression is merely wild speculation. No doubt a certain amount of tweaking of specifications is part of the design process of any complex system. But this forum wouldn't be have as entertaining without all the absurd leaps of logic that stories like this evoke.
 
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Why are hating the phone so much
I'm not hating it, but its quite evident that the issues that have been reported since the spring are all apple's doing and not really some sort of conspiracy, where some people are working overtime time put apple in a bad light.

I think it's funny that if Apple wouldn't have launched a OLED bezel less screen then they would have been called out too.
Without question, the pace of updates from apple from the 6 to the 8 have been rather slow, and given that the competition has had features in their phones for years, Apple needed to step up
 
"Apple's refusal to comment" perhaps they also don't wanna cause panic in everyone either by announcing anything.... Apple's very good at deterring away fro what it thinks would cause a stir with competitors..

You will have to elaborate on that a bit more for me. The way I see it, Apple could assuage its consumer-base and retain its competitive edge by confirming its product remains unchanged from its initial presentation.

Unfortunately, many companies change their products in sometimes significant ways between a product's announcement and it's distribution (e.g., panel types in displays / monitors, contents of board games--I'm looking at you Gale Force 9, etc.) to meet demand and reduce cost.
 
Truth. With its RhinoShield bumper on, I can confidently from my iPhone 8 six feet into concrete. I wonder what that’d do to the micrometer tolerances of the iPhone X’s FaceID module.

Quite probably nothing beyond what you’d expect. Either no damage, or your phone will break/be damaged. With or without iPhone X components. There’s a massive difference between fault tolerance in manufacturing and real-world use, the same tolerances rarely carry over into a final assembly for consumer products.

A great many things, including many of the components of any phone, have tight fault tolerances during the manufacturing stages. But once assembled and placed into the final product, they can be very robust.
 
Don't forget the usual hardware and software defects a new phone typically offers. Last year was the hissing noise. The iPhone 8 already has battery swelling issues.

Usually any new phone, we've had a history of issues, probably of all of them, but they all as of lat remember some blow back. FaceID will be no different, and i wonder the fact it was so hard to even do they have to lower the accuracy, whether that will only heat things up more as "more problematic" when it launches..

I guess we will see. Usually something tough to accomplish usually means at some stage, will "they are being pushed to the limits, so if we can't take no more of this.. We gotta do something" indicates to me, its the first set of problems we will see when launched..... That's usually how it goes doesn't it?
 
A question for you.................

How many days do you think it will be, after the public get sent the new iPhoneX for there to be a report and/or a YouTube video, showing two different people, being able to unlock the one iPhoneX with Face ID using either of their faces?

Faces that, to "Us Humans" we can see they look different people, but the iPhoneX get fooled.

How long?

1 day
5 days
30 days
60 days
365 days
Never?

Any thoughts?
 
We better all get the first shipment of iPhones because maybe the later ones will have poor face ID recognition. Just kidding anyone who believes this is crazy.
 
To those who dismiss this article a priori: (1) this article is too detailed to be a baseless accusation and (2) Apple's refusal to comment on the story lends validity to its claims.

Apple almost never comments on media reports, particularly ones about internal operations. Like anyone who has ever tried to respond to negative press, they're smart enough to know that you can't win battles in the media. The only thing any comment from Apple could possibly do is reinforce the idea that the phone is somehow flawed. Better to just let the insane speculation die down on its own.
 
Hmmm. So if I understand correctly then iPhone X's made very early will actually be higher quality than those made after the lowered standards take effect.

I'm hoping that the lowered standards don't translate into a poor user experience but we'll see. Google sure screwed up with lower stands on those Pixel 2XL screens.
 
A question for you.................

How many days do you think it will be, after the public get sent the new iPhoneX for there to be a report and/or a YouTube video, showing two different people, being able to unlock the one iPhoneX with Face ID using either of their faces?

Faces that, to "Us Humans" we can see they look different people, but the iPhoneX get fooled.

Less than a day. Twins could easily make themselves appear different but still be able to activate the phone. Humans are even more easily fooled than FaceID is reported to be.
 
Wouldn’t they have to use a different sensor. Or else how would they reduce it. Isn’t that software than?
 
A question for you.................

How many days do you think it will be, after the public get sent the new iPhoneX for there to be a report and/or a YouTube video, showing two different people, being able to unlock the one iPhoneX with Face ID using either of their faces?

Faces that, to "Us Humans" we can see they look different people, but the iPhoneX get fooled.

How long?

1 day
5 days
30 days
60 days
365 days
Never?

Any thoughts?
I predict unlock failures before misidentifications, although I think the tech would have to be outstanding for Apple to leave behind TouchID altogether and go all in with FaceID.
 
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