Apple Reportedly Running Secret Car Lab in German Capital

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple is operating a secret vehicle research and development lab in the heart of Berlin, claims a report published in a German news outlet this morning.

    According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (also known as F.A.Z.), Apple's clandestine facility employs between 15 and 20 "top class" men and women from the German automotive industry, with backgrounds in engineering, software, hardware, and sales.

    The workers at the car lab are described as "progressive thinkers" in their respective fields who agreed to work with Apple after their ideas for innovation were stifled by the more conservative outlooks of their previous employers.


    The article goes on to repeat previous speculation surrounding Apple's rumored vehicle research, noting that the company's first car will be electric, but also ventures to claim that it will lack self-driving capabilities because the required technology is still in development.

    Additionally, the report alleges that Apple is investigating a vehicle-sharing model similar to BMW's Drive-Now and European car rental service Sixt, owing to the company's lack of a nationwide distribution network. Similar to previous rumors, Austrian contract manufacturer of high-end cars Magna Steyr is also cited as a partner for vehicle creation once the R&D stage is complete.

    Apple Car rumors have gained momentum since early 2015, when The Wall Street Journal reported that Apple has hundreds of employees working to develop an electric vehicle under the codename "Project Titan." The bulk of research and development is thought to be taking place in an Apple-leased Sunnyvale campus in California, where loud "motor noises" were heard, sparking speculation that the building is a secret car testing facility for Apple's automotive project.

    Tim Cook teased about the possibility of an Apple Car in February by saying "it's going to be Christmas Eve for a while," suggesting the much-rumored project will not be publicly revealed for some time.

    Article Link: Apple Reportedly Running Secret Car Lab in German Capital
  2. Adithya007 macrumors regular

    Apr 16, 2015
    Apple car still won't have any Windows though....
  3. freepomme Suspended

    Oct 30, 2015
    Boston, MA
  4. needfx macrumors 68040


    Aug 10, 2010
    macrumors apparently
  5. xii macrumors newbie

    Aug 10, 2010
    You just have to love that statement and the courage that they turned off safe harbors.

    Thats exactly the problem with germanys tech culture. They lack progressive CEOs!
  6. zapp macrumors regular


    Aug 23, 2003
    Well I guess it isn't a secret anymore.
  7. cicalinarrot macrumors regular


    Apr 28, 2015
    Apple's phone: $100 production cost in China, they sell millions = $600 for the buyer
    Apple's car won't be cheap.
  8. Detektiv-Pinky macrumors 6502a


    Feb 25, 2006
    Berlin, Germany
    Risk-taking has never been part of the German culture.
    Everybody likes to have the old Kaiser back (the are even now rebuilding his City Palace in Berlin) and by now every large tech company is run by a bean-counter...
  9. smacrumon macrumors 68030


    Jan 15, 2016
    Motor noises is publicity and a cover for real plans. Do we really think an Apple car will make motor noises? I say no.

    Apple has big wheels to fill. The Tesla Model 3 is a revolution. Considering Apple's design track record of protruding cameras and antenna lines on its main iPad and iPhone products, I'm worried what an Apple car might end up being, but look forward in great anticipation. An Apple car will however need to leapfrog even Tesla's recent attempts, otherwise it will be a pointless exercise for Apple. Fingers crossed.
  10. newyorksole macrumors 68040

    Apr 2, 2008
    New York.
    I wonder if Steve ever sparked any discussions about an Apple Car when he was alive.
  11. Gudi macrumors 68030


    May 3, 2013
    Berlin, Berlin
    You don't need to, there will never be an AI car.
  12. dooyou macrumors regular

    Jun 5, 2007
    Sounds reasonable, what otherwise they should do with their billions.
  13. Steve121178 macrumors 601


    Apr 13, 2010
    Bedfordshire, UK
    Who'd buy one? When I buy a car, it's not based on tree hugging crap like economy, efficiency and how green it is, which is what Apple's effort will be.

    When I buy a car it's based on (but not limited to) the following:

    The history of the brand
    How much fun I am going to have driving it
  14. R2D2 xx macrumors member

    Apr 8, 2010
    Apple does have big competition but I don't think if Apple's car doesn't leapfrog over Tesla's it'll be pointless. There's enough market share for the both of them. I could see myself owning both a Tesla and Apple Car.

    With all the talent Apple has hired, they should be able to come up with something great.
  15. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    I can hear people complain about it IF it's not made in America.
  16. springsup, Apr 18, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2016

    springsup macrumors 65816


    Feb 14, 2013
    Most people who have passed their teens would prioritise differently. Things like ride comfort and tax status are important to most people.

    History of the brand? Partially. Alfa Romeo still sells plenty of cars, despite a reputation for poor reliability. Volkswagen admitted their cars were tuned to lie to emissions inspectors, but it won't have a very significant impact on sales. GM still sells cars, and they admitted covering up design flaws that led to people's deaths. Tesla's Model 3 became one of the biggest car launches ever, and they're a relatively new and unproven company. So loads of people still buy cars from tarnished or new brands.

    Sounds from electric cars are faked anyway; you're not going to get that raw gut-wrenching warble from a speaker hooked up to an electric motor.
  17. Someyoungguy macrumors 6502

    Oct 28, 2012
    Remember before the watch came out, when we would see stories with the same frequency about top designers this, and biometric feedback experts that? Two years later we got a thick, mini-iPhone with a strap, running about the same heart rate monitor that everyone else has. I am preparing to be equally disappointed in the car.
  18. Crosscreek macrumors 68030


    Nov 19, 2013
    If Apple builds a car it will only be for the elite.
  19. joueboy macrumors 65816

    Jul 3, 2008
    I don't think he likes the idea. He's well known for being focus person. As what he normally claims himself that Apple should only make products they're good at. I think!
  20. Gwendolini macrumors 6502


    Feb 5, 2015
    Can you provide sources for the 100 USD production costs claim?
    Recent articles suggest a bill of materials of around 220 to 250 USD per phone; R&D, transportation, advertisement and all the other associated costs are not included in those 220 to 250 USD.
  21. acegreen macrumors regular


    Jun 25, 2015
    As opposed to him sparking any discussion when he was dead? :D
  22. dumastudetto macrumors 68030

    Aug 28, 2013
  23. springsup macrumors 65816


    Feb 14, 2013
    German culture is very different from Anglo-Saxon culture. If a British/American company is doing well, they attempt to expand and diversify, to get bigger ambitions about their place in the world. If a German company is doing well, they continue to do what they're doing while refining their processes, becoming the best in the world at each tiny, specialist role.

    That's the German mittelstand. They are 99% of German companies and make up about 2/3 of exports. Some of them make a single part, like a particular screw used in railway engineering, or other very niche thing. And they're happy to sit there for generations and not really diversify.
  24. rfrmac macrumors member


    Dec 27, 2006
    Sorry, I'm not onboard with this car thing. I'm more concerned about what Apple seems to be not doing when it comes to its' professional products like the Mac, Mac Pro and Final Cut.
  25. RedOrchestra Suspended

    Aug 13, 2012
    I wonder if the new Apple car will ship with 2GB of RAM or 4GB ?

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