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I agreed we have not even seen the 1st gen and the 1st gen may even flop with its $3,000 price tag what's not even get in to talks about the 2nd gen headset ENOUGH with the crazy rumors when the 1st gen is not even out the door yet and may even flop
 
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These sales numbers don’t add up. There are 525 stores worldwide, so 1 per day per store is about 191,000 units in the first year. Yet, the claim is that they expect sales of 7-10 million units in the first year. That’s 40-50 times the other number.
Im assuming you will still be able to order online like always. And get it shipped directly from the China factory like all apple products.
 
This is going to be a massive flop. In a market TIMING is everything and this isn't the time. That is my guess. Nobody cares about AR/VR when credit card debt is at an all time high, interest rates are climbing and the economy is fundamentally crumbling, while everyone is whistling in the dark with denial. People are making payments on PHONES. It is so bad Apple has to convince customers it is a good idea to connect savings to credit accounts (so they bolster balance sheet, you are enticed into offering voluntary collateral for either your debt or others).
Do you remember what the economic environment was like when the iPhone was first released?
 
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These sales numbers don’t add up. There are 525 stores worldwide, so 1 per day per store is about 191,000 units in the first year. Yet, the claim is that they expect sales of 7-10 million units in the first year. That’s 40-50 times the other number.
They may be counting Apple Premium Resellers.

7M / 365 is about 19K stores. Really think the Best Buy out in remote Kansas is going to sell one $3K headset per day? Doubtful they sell one $3K Mac per day and that as a much more broad spectrum, mature software base .
Similarly there are worldwide premium resellers , but $3K pushed through some not so favorable foreign currency exchange conversions is going to make that relatively even more expensive in those locations ( that isn't going to help sales per day). What is going to happen at the Apple Store in Palo Alto probably isn't going to be replicated everywhere.


Online sales probably aren't half of sales, but that isn't going to really solve the math problem either.


If Apple sold 1-2M this would be a good first year. 7M smacks of very wishful thinking by someone who has lots of extra cash burning a hole in their pocket. There are likely lots of stores whose customers don't have that (and not going to see 1 per day at all. )
 
Let all the negative Nancys whine all they want.

Apple has the largest market cap in the world > $3 TRILLION and over $200 Billion in cash. I love that they are taking swings at cutting edge new products. If it fails, whatever; who cares... At least they’re playing offense instead of just rolling out predictable, boring iterations of the iPhone and their Mac line year after year. 😴

And to the haters - the good news is that no one is forcing you to buy any new Apple products! 😂
Someone has to move this forward. I think it’s ten years too soon but with all that apple money trying and failing is a healthy sign.
 
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7M / 365 is about 19K stores. Really think the Best Buy out in remote Kansas is going to sell one $3K headset per day? Doubtful they sell one $3K Mac per day and that as a much more broad spectrum, mature software base .
Similarly there are worldwide premium resellers , but $3K pushed through some not so favorable foreign currency exchange conversions is going to make that relatively even more expensive in those locations ( that isn't going to help sales per day). What is going to happen at the Apple Store in Palo Alto probably isn't going to be replicated everywhere.


Online sales probably aren't half of sales, but that isn't going to really solve the math problem either.


If Apple sold 1-2M this would be a good first year. 7M smacks of very wishful thinking by someone who has lots of extra cash burning a hole in their pocket. There are likely lots of stores whose customers don't have that (and not going to see 1 per day at all. )
I completely agree that Apple’s expectations don’t seem realistic. I was just responding concerning the seemingly mismatching store count though.
 
I completely agree that Apple’s expectations don’t seem realistic. I was just responding concerning the seemingly mismatching store count though.
Don’t you mean Kuo/Gurman’s expectations of Apples expectations?
 
Impossible. Expect at least 1499 to 1999 for the low end.

We also priced the iPad much higher before the introduction, PS3 VR is $600.

If it's wire-connected to a Mac then it won't need a battery or M3 processor, it would just be a 3D-monitor controlled by the Mac. That should lower the price significantly.

Come to think about it, the Mac Studio + 3D glasses together would then be about $3000, lining up with the rumours.
 
Apple will never ever consider using fresnel lenses in their devices not even in a million years.
Not even in an ultra-low-end device.
Perhaps. I mean, if Apple sees an opportunity to play up a technical “feature” in order to justify a higher markup, you can bet they will.

But I was referring to the mention of “lower resolution lens” in the article. That makes a lot more sense for a fresnel unit.
 
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Perhaps. I mean, if Apple sees an opportunity to play up a technical “feature” in order to justify a higher markup, you can bet they will.

But I was referring to the mention of “lower resolution lens” in the article. That makes a lot more sense for a fresnel unit.
I'll tell you why there is no chance, because fresnel lenses will make the device much more bulky and heavy, and the fresnel quality is trash - it's 100% anti Apple.
They will also won't use an LCD with no true blacks in a VR/AR device that overtakes your vision, also anti Apple.
 
I'll tell you why there is no chance, because fresnel lenses will make the device much more bulky and heavy, and the fresnel quality is trash - it's 100% anti Apple.
They will also won't use an LCD with no true blacks in a VR/AR device that overtakes your vision, also anti Apple.
Actually, for many applications, a fresnel lens can be made thinner (lighter, less material) than the traditional counterpart.

If Apple has somehow managed to break the current paradigm of using rasterized pixels through a lens for VR/AR, they’ll get my attention. Until then I’m with those that say

“Move along. There is nothing to see here.”
 
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Actually, for many applications, a fresnel lens can be made thinner (lighter, less material) than the traditional counterpart.

If Apple has somehow managed to break the current paradigm of using rasterized pixels through a lens for VR/AR, they’ll get my attention. Until then I’m with those that say

“Move along. There is nothing to see here.”
It's all a matter of price and benefits, if they can make it so the form factor will be small and light and the quality not be that bad, and the price will be much lower than the alternatives, then sure, but from what I understand the fresnel work in a way that the screen must be much farther away, making the device very bulky. I just can't see Apple releasing a device that looks like a Quest 2, even if it's low end.
 
These sales numbers don’t add up. There are 525 stores worldwide, so 1 per day per store is about 191,000 units in the first year. Yet, the claim is that they expect sales of 7-10 million units in the first year. That’s 40-50 times the other number.
MR just reported another rumor a couple of weeks ago suggesting apple was only expecting worldwide sales of 1 million units in the first year.
 
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