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Don’t expect it to be any better than Qualcomm 5G modem. Tim Cook doesn’t possess any visionary idea or any intention to deliver a new blockbuster product at  during its tenure as the boss.
 
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nice dream.

apple's moonshot.

i would not want to buy any product with apple's first internally designed 5G modem.

Sure. Like Apples first ever custom-designed 64bit SoC, which crushed everyone else in terms of performance and sent them scrambling to make their own?
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Qualcomm is about to lose the war. Couldn't have happened to "nicer" folks.

Since Apple will only use their 5G modems internally there isn’t much for Qualcomm to lose. All Qualcomm will lose is orders from Apple. A bit of a loss, but nothing that will seriously harm their company.
 
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AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?

Few things. One, Intel's management is crap, they're particularly bad in non-CPU products. They let marketing run the show, while the engineering is falling apart.

Second, internal politics. Infineon stuck the usual ARM cores on and sent their chips to TSMC. A big effort was spent to switch to x86 cores and Intel fabs, which was largely a waste of time and money. They also were involved in that whole effort to make smartphone CPUs with an integrated baseband, which ultimately failed because nobody wanted x86 smartphones.

Third, when a company buys another one, it's an opportunity to make everybody re-interview for their jobs and fire anybody who you don't want. It's harder, politically and as morale, to do this during the normal run of a company.
 
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I am sure many of us can foresee what is going to happen, Apple purchases Intels mobile-phone modem business. Apple uses some of Qulacomm's IP in the making of the 5G modem chips and we end up back where it all started, qulacomm accusing Apple of illegally using the companies patents.


No, that's not going to happen. Apple has a licensing agreement with Qualcomm to use their technology should they decide to do so.
 
I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?
I want to tell but I'm not allowed to:)
 
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I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?
I think what they “have” that Intel did not, was a paying customer. Apple was going to spend that much in R&D or licensing anyway.
 
I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?

Johny Srouji and his team.
 
So rumors about next year iPhone doesn’t get enough click bait anymore so let’s gossip about something two years beforehand about something unimportant for 99% of the consumers. Meaning the average consumer.
We (average consumer) really don’t care about the specs and what not.
My iPhone 8 takes great enough pics. Is still blazingly fast and does everything I want from a phone/camera/internet device.
Must be a pathetic life you people have.
It’s all about keeps shareholders happy.
 
So rumors about next year iPhone doesn’t get enough click bait anymore so let’s gossip about something two years beforehand about something unimportant for 99% of the consumers. Meaning the average consumer.
We (average consumer) really don’t care about the specs and what not.
My iPhone 8 takes great enough pics. Is still blazingly fast and does everything I want from a phone/camera/internet device.
Must be a pathetic life you people have.
It’s all about keeps shareholders happy.

You do realize that you're on a tech forum, not conversing in line at the supermarket like the "average consumer" would be doing. So yeah, some folks may just be into the latest tech news, especially if they are deciding if/when they're going to upgrade.
 
I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?

They're going to send all of the former Intel staff to AirPower and iCar teams ;)
 
I think Apple's acquisition of Intel's 5G IP, etc., is similar to the Rockets / Thunder deal, where Apple just ended-up with the equivalent of Chris Paul.
 
In 2021 another gate will open it's called 5G Gate.
And precisely as many people will care as in every previous AppleGate:
some idiot journalists, various internet twelve year-olds with nothing better to do, and precisely zero of Apple's ACTUAL customers...
 
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I think this will finally allow Apple to add cellular connectivity for laptops as well.

At the very least, their phone prices are going to go down.
 
I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?

Focus. Apple will not be trying to carve out some significant market share to compete with Qualcomm, so they don't have to ship the number of products and product variations this would entail. They just have to develop the few models needed for Apple devices. In fact, the problem is even more focused, as they will continue to fill some of their needs with Qualcomm chips.
 
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Dude, I am amused. What has Qualcomm ever done to you, personally?

And, on topic, which company is "nice" when negotiating advantage?
[Apple told its sapphire supplier ‘Put on your big boy pants’]
Niceness aside, Qualcomm is primarily responsible for major price hikes in products which affect all of us. They are also under investigation for violating FRAND patent agreements and blamed by just about every single phone maker for these violations but since they have a monopoly on cellular modem patents, they run over all of us. This isn't about negotiating, it's mostly about violating agreements that have long past negotiations.
 
I might be wrong, but while Apple was pretty much Intel's only customer for their modems, Intel's modems were still designed for the entire industry. When your only concern is that your own modems need only work with your own devices, as opposed to every other smartphone on the market, that gives engineers a lot more leeway on what they can do (and what they don't need to do).

You're not wrong. In fact, you put your finger on it perfectly.
 
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nice dream.

apple's moonshot.

i would not want to buy any product with apple's first internally designed 5G modem substantially based on intel work.

And exactly WHAT leads you to believe that creating a modem is more difficult than creating a world-class mobile CPU? Or a world-class GPU?
After all there are more companies out there who have created their own internal modems than have created their own mobile CPUs or GPUs... eg Huawei or Mediatek have designed their own modems --- but use ARM-designed CPUs and GPUs. And Samsung shipped Shannon before they shipped Mongoose.

This ridiculous insistence that a modem is the most difficult tech in the world and only QC has the magic fairy dust to make it is idiotic, resembling the insistence five years ago that only Intel had the CPU magic fairy dust.
 
prob some sort of personal entitlement, seeing how qualcomm gave a hard time to apple and apple fanboys in certain shape or form feel its a personal attack on them. not saying this applies to the guy your quoting but in overall generality.

Very hard to take your comments criticizing the behavior of others seriously when you have to use insulting names. If you have valid points they should stand on their own merits... name calling won't help..
 
I just don't understand how a change in management can result in a change of performance in these chips. Can someone explain why Apple acquiring Intel's miserable Modem's division, which couldn't produce Qualcomm-levels of performance in these 4G chips, suddenly being managed by Apple, will allow this same team to produce chips that will beat Qualcomm's designed chips in 2-5 years? If Intel couldn't make this team produce great chips, how can Apple make this same team produce great chips?

AKA, what does Apple have that Intel doesn't have?

Apple has a far more technically capable staff, decades of operating system knowledge Intel has never had and much more.
 
Very hard to take your comments criticizing the behavior of others seriously when you have to use insulting names. If you have valid points they should stand on their own merits... name calling won't help..
what apple fanboys? hows that insulting, there are folks on here that will go to all end to defend apple, no matter how wrong they are, i had a full blown argument against one delusional twit thinking the nvme in a iphone is faster than my samsung 960 pro ssd, and intel modems are on par with qualcom modems.
 
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