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I am sure many of us can foresee what is going to happen, Apple purchases Intels mobile-phone modem business. Apple uses some of Qulacomm's IP in the making of the 5G modem chips and we end up back where it all started, qulacomm accusing Apple of illegally using the companies patents.

They have a license to the patents. And Qualcomm presumably has a license to apple’s. At some point, after a few years, they will have to renegotiate the rates, and Apple will be in a much better position with 17k new patents (or however many there are)
 
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They have a license to the patents. And Qualcomm presumably has a license to apple’s. At some point, after a few years, they will have to renegotiate the rates, and Apple will be in a much better position with 17k new patents (or however many there are)


It's most likely that Apple didn't license anything to Qualcomm. Apple benefits from a license to Qualcomm's technology to ensure for the next 6 to 8 years that anything they do with modems wouldn't be subject to claims from Qualcomm, but more importantly to end the "double dipping" issue that was central to the legal disputes, and still an issue for Qualcomm vis-a-vis regulators and other companies, i.e., Qualcomm required Apple and others to not only purchase the modems but to separately license the IP. Qualcomm needed nothing from Apple regarding Apple's IP in this regard.

If Apple is successful building their own modems with just the Intel IP, there won't be any renegotiation, Apple will simply stop purchasing modems from Qualcomm. If Apple incorporates Qualcomm IP into the modems they are building, then Apple will have to renegotiate.
 
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And exactly WHAT leads you to believe that creating a modem is more difficult than creating a world-class mobile CPU? Or a world-class GPU?
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The modem is substantially different in that it has to interoperate with equipment not made by the CPU/GPU creator in a highly variable context. The modem and "cell tower" are not physically coupled to one another so the connection can have all kinds of cruft on it. The key metric isn't going to be some geeky, 'drag race', synthetic benchmark. Additionally, the operators of the towers can have their own tweaks on top of the base standard. There is an extremely substantive analog component to this ( as opposed to an entirely digital connection). The standards also have 5-6 ways of skinning the cat on top of being analog. So complexity on top of complexity (there are lots of different modes to track and implement).


The computational kernel of the DSP (digital signal processor ) elements are close to what Apple has done but as get the edges of the system they really don't. I'm also pretty sure Apple just layers some firmware on top of other folks Wi-Fi bluetooh work so that doesn't particularly count either.

I'd say the cellular modem is perhaps closer to the T2 then the CPU, GPU , SoC that Apple has turned out. And that track record isn't spotless. So no, there is no slam dunk here to getting up to equal par with Qualcomm (and some of the other vendors ). Very good chance they can do better than the weaker modem offerings as Apple might just brute force and spend their way out of a shortcoming. ( higher priced modem than the low end of the market. Apple can probably tolerate being slightly more expensive than Qualcomm since charging themselves on the phones where the Q modem is not a percentage of the whole phone. )
 
The other bit that people aren't mentioning is that with modem development in-house, Apple gets to set the timetable - when contracting with Qualcomm or Intel for modems, Apple could say "we really need this new version by mid-May" and the best they can hope is the other party says, "we'll take that under advisement / we'll probably do that". With the development in-house, Apple can decide it isn't going fast enough to hit a particular deadline, and throw more resources/money at it if they deem necessary. They're not stuck with someone else's timetable (probably another reason they'd like - eventually - to switch some Macs from Intel x86 flavor chips to in-house ARM chips).

And, the new modem design, rather that catering to the needs of "Apple and others", only needs to cater to the needs of Apple; capabilities/features Apple doesn't need can be dropped from the die - and the timetable. Every time an Apple hardware engineer said/says, "but it would be really useful to us if the next chip had capability X, or would implement Y in Z way", now they can send that request on up the line, and the top management can decide to say, "make it so." It might give them more of a seat at the table for shaping future wireless standards, too.

Also, rather than having the other party say merely, "work on the new modem we spec'd is progressing nicely (or not)", or "we're dropping spec'd feature X (that you wanted) because we decided it's too hard", they can have really detailed insight into the project at every level, if they choose. From project managers that are answerable to them alone. Apple really likes (and benefits from) being able to steer their own ship, self-determination is huge to them.
 
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For one, an endless supply of cash to throw out different ideas and work on them.

Apple doesn't have an endless supply of cash. Stop exaggerating.

And anyway Intel has quite a lot of cash as well, way more than Qualcomm for example. Intel's Net income in 2018 was almost as big as Qualcomm's entire Revenue. And Intel still couldn't make faster modems than Qualcomm.
 
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prob some sort of personal entitlement, seeing how qualcomm gave a hard time to apple and apple fanboys in certain shape or form feel its a personal attack on them. not saying this applies to the guy your quoting but in overall generality.
You know what's funny?
By 2021 Qualcomm will be the biggest supplier of 5G modems in the world anyway so even if they lose a little bit of business from Apple it won't matter that much for them. But somebody here thinks this means Apple will win the war(and who knows what war he's talking about). LOL.
 
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Apple doesn't have an endless supply of cash. Stop exaggerating.

And anyway Intel has quite a lot of cash as well, way more than Qualcomm for example. Intel's Net income in 2018 was almost as big as Qualcomm's entire Revenue. And Intel still couldn't make faster modems than Qualcomm.
Yeah, they pretty much do. They have more cash on hand than 90+% of companies are worth total. They have far, far more money than Intel.
 
the thing that gets me is Apple knew 5G was a thing for years.
The thing that gets me is, you read one article and think you know all there is to know about Apple's long-term thoughts and work on 5G support, particularly given that Apple is famously secretive about future plans and development.
 
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Yeah, they pretty much do. They have more cash on hand than 90+% of companies are worth total.
Pretty much?
LoL

Anyway Apple also has over 100 billion in debt, which I bet you ignored.
And most of their money is not on hand.

They have far, far more money than Intel.
And how is that relevant when Intel anyway has way more than enough money to develop any modem they want?
It's not like Intel has a money problem so the fact that apple has more money than them doesn't really fix anything.
 
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