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I don’t know if we can even claim this anymore. There are so so so many developers who have “opted out” of letting their apps be available on the Mac. My theory: why let a user pay for it on the iPhone and not pay me again for the same app on the Mac? They’re just greedy.

You mean, you are greedy?

Nothing wrong with paying for an iOS app and a Mac app separately. While I do agree it should be a smaller upcharge if the codebase is the same vs separate code base to maintain.
 
This is great news and frankly I wonder what has taken Apple so long to come to terms with the concept. I for one have been wanting a Macbook Pro with a touch screen option for years that would work in tandem with a touch pad. Seriously, if you use an iPad you have no doubt gone into a Mac store, looked at a Macbook and instinctively touched the screen on it. I would love to have a Macbook Pro that would let me run full MacOS programs and iPad apps using either the touch pad or touch screen depending on what I was doing at the time. It would be the ultimate device as far as I am concerned. If it is a cost issue, make a touch screen capable Macbook Pro for those who are fine with the higher cost and have a lesser expensive non-touch screen MacBook Pro for those who don’t want the option. Whats the big deal. Steve jobs never thought an iPhone should be big but he was wrong. Same goes for a touch screen Macbook.
 
Great. Apple is doing the unthinkable: build A glorified iPadOS on Mac while refusing to offer touch screen support. Welcome to larger everything that your mouse cursor would be grateful for.
Im surprised they haven’t disable terminal access just yet. On iPadOS you can’t have terminal access.
 
Just because your vision is limited or roadblocked does not mean the creative Apple Engineers don’t have solutions in the works for years.

I remembered a time when rumours said Apple was working on AppleSilicon Mac hardware and OS and most were like that is crazy and the end of Apple, we need windows, dual boot, gaming, blah blah blah. Hate to inform but Apple had an x86 version of OSX during the PPC days. The M# hardware has increased sales and Apple has not gone under.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you didn't bother reading the comment I quoted. For if you had, you would have seen these words, to which I was responding: "Not happening. Touchscreens on computers make exactly zero sense." Thus, the point of my response was to say "of course it's (touchscreen Macs) happening, silly." And I leveraged the iPad + Magic Keyboard Folio to illustrate that "it kind of already is" - without saying it directly. I didn't think it needed spelled out so directly. Guess I was wrong.
 
What’s the point to begin with?
added cost for touchscreen they dont want or plan to use. that's why people are complaining.
hopefully if they add it, this will be another $100 option. or something like. see how many are really wanting it then :)
 
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I used a touchscreen PC laptop for a few weeks and I have to say it was so much easier using the touchscreen than the touchpad for so many instances.

I think its a great idea for apple to offer this.
there you have it... LAPTOP. not desktop. i can't see many iMac users using it. MacPro with their own screens wont be able to. Mac Mini user, same thing.

Laptops that dont fold over into tablet mode also may not be big hits either...
 
This is what I think it'll happen.
Apple will never have us touch the front screen of our Macs. But, it might find a way to integrate a second display in the bottom half of its laptops, somewhat like a big version of the TouchBar, if you will.
 
Well even Windows touch screen is useless mostly, unless it is used in public places that only enable one app, such as shopping mall map.
 
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Why is everyone complaining? It's not like they're going to take away the trackpad. Just don't use the touch screen if you don't want to.
They are going to change the OS to make it work better with touch. That may have remifications that users will not be happy with. Mac OS is already slowly getting dumbed down. It's a shame, though I suspect most Mac users don't realise the power under the hood of Mac OS, even in its current incarnation.
 
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If Apple really is going to make MacBooks with touchscreen, I hope they let us make the choice of buying it without too. I don’t want to pay a lot of money for a „feature“ I don’t want and I don’t need.
And how will macOS look like when it is optimized for touch?
 
If Apple really is going to make MacBooks with touchscreen, I hope they let us make the choice of buying it without too. I don’t want to pay a lot of money for a „feature“ I don’t want and I don’t need.
And how will macOS look like when it is optimized for touch?
Likely good enough for the Justice Department to sue Apple for their touch screen monopoly, years after the rest of the world has had touch screens available for their computers.

Always late to the party and one of the first to get drunk and get busted by the Justice Department.
 
Each of you complaining about a feature you can disable is an absolute joke. Complain much? You know what? I don't care about USB ports, I like the touchbar, I buy it to do jack nothing with content creation, and I'm willing to bet I pay apple more than you do lol. Just bought 80 ipads a couple weeks ago. The sales pitch is the content creation and snowflake world but the reality is 90+% are people like me that want a daily driver and enjoy the functionality of things. I really love the "If i wanted a touch screen I'd buy an Ipad" dude. I'll give you the biggest blessing ever in letting you know you don't have to ever buy a single damn Apple product again and I'll be perfectly happy for it!
Tell that to those of us that experienced the Windows 8 era on desktop computers with no touch screen. We had to suffer due to it. macOS is already suffering and this will just make it worse.

Plus, we will be required to pay for the hardware even if we "disable" it. So yes, it will add to our costs.
 
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As an illustrator/designer I've been wanting Apple to do their version of the Microsoft Surface Studio because I love the feeling of using the Apple Pencil and tire of Wacom's eternally buggy drivers but if this is just MacBooks with a touchscreen then I can't see the use for it.
 
if they do an foldable device, this can be running macOS..so a touch mac...this doesnt mean its Macbook Pro
Gurman is fishing like he said about M1 extreme after that M2 extreme and at the end no M2 extreme, or half the size intel Mac pro and now the same size...so dont believe...anything that is not releasing this year
 
I dont think this device's primary intended purpose will be as a macOS touch screen device, for the many good reasons people have stated in this thread.

apple has been purposefully and strategically slow to develop its touch screen devices - because of the difficulties involved, but probably also was unsure how to maintain its multiple revenue steams. it didn't want simply to have its touch screen devices replace keyboarded devices and result in a less capable product before they are ready.

two things have happened.
it separated iOS from iPadOS. this augurs more powerful iPadOS systems will be forthcoming, with more and more features.
and, just as important, it has now released two wonderful and innovative keyboards, with built in trackpads, in close succession for its iPad ranges.

as i said, I dont think this device's primary intended purpose will be as a macOS touch screen device.

i think it will be either of these two intended devices:

1 a dual OS device: capable of either iPadOS or macOS - user configured, that can be used as an iPad when detached from a keyboard, or use macOS when needed and attached to a keyboard. this is a bridge solution for a few years.

or

2 an iPadOS device that simply uses a more mature version of iPadOS and has a fixed keyboard that is non-detachable from the screen. this is practicable after iPadOS is more mature and able to handle even more powerful business type functions that many people find they currently prefer macOS for right now.

from apple's viewpoint, and profitability going forward, i imagine that even as much as macOS is a heritage system that has great emotional significance, apple wants to get on with new revenue streams such as AR and selling software for self-driving vehicles. getting to the point where iPadOS can be a legitimate replacement for macOS is the point they will want to get to. i think very soon.
 
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If this *does* end up happening, the whole "putting macOS on an iPad would harm Macbook sales!!!" would become somewhat ridiculous imo
 
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